Would you sled with someone that doesn't have an avy bag?

[~Rowdy~]

But as more than a couple people have already pointed out there's more than a few people that have been caught in an avy and hadn't pulled the cord so the bag is mute at that point

And don't get me wrong I'm not against it, why not have it but statements like how much is your life worth or you spent all this money on a sled and gear and other crap just doesn't take into account that there's probably only a 50/50 chance you will remember to pull it and maybe you won't pull it in time.

 

[GYMBRAT]

I wear a bag so I dont need to be put in the "other bag"

 

[ferniesnow]

I wear a bag so I dont need to be put in the "other bag"

no offence implied nor intended........but maybe that is wishful thinking!

 

[GYMBRAT]

no offence implied nor intended........but maybe that is wishful thinking!

maybe ya, I do ride like its my last

 

[SledMamma]

But as more than a couple people have already pointed out there's more than a few people that have been caught in an avy and hadn't pulled the cord so the bag is mute at that point

And don't get me wrong I'm not against it, why not have it but statements like how much is your life worth or you spent all this money on a sled and gear and other crap just doesn't take into account that there's probably only a 50/50 chance you will remember to pull it and maybe you won't pull it in time.

Maybe... Maybe not. I have always said I will likely panic and forget to pull the cord. BUUUTTTT, if I ever find myself in the position that my avalanche training and common sense have been overcome by the tantrums of one of mother nature's avalanche, I owe it to the three kids I left at home to try and up my odds, even if only by a hair. On the off chance that I might have enough time and intuition to pull that cord and get out alive, it is absolutely my responsibility to try. Calculated risk involves making calculations that ADD to your chances, not SUBTRACT. My point of view.

 

[E-Zmoke]

But as more than a couple people have already pointed out there's more than a few people that have been caught in an avy and hadn't pulled the cord so the bag is mute at that point

And don't get me wrong I'm not against it, why not have it but statements like how much is your life worth or you spent all this money on a sled and gear and other crap just doesn't take into account that there's probably only a 50/50 chance you will remember to pull it and maybe you won't pull it in time.

Great thread, let me ask you this...if you don't have a bag what are the odds of you pulling the cord?

I would not refuse a rider for not having a bag but have refused a rider for not having a beacon and consistently do beacon checks with everyone in my group before we go up. I ride with a bag and it's a 30L bag with more then enough storage. Not buying the no storage idea you have. I asked myself the question before I bought my bag. Can I put a price on my life? No - CAN YOU? It really was a no brainer for me. Could a bag possibly save my life if used correctly in the event of an emergency? YES

If their are tools out their that will give me a higher chance of survival in case of an accident then I want to have that option. The bags do more then most people think. Not only do they keep an avalanche victim closer to the surface but they also assist in trauma. The snow pulse bags keep your head and spine straight and in an event of an emergency I want every tool avail to me. Bottom line it's a tool to assist in an event of an emergency.

Do you have power windows and air conditioning in your truck? Does your truck have an airbag? If it does do you turn it off because their is only a 50% chance it will go off if you get in an accident?

 

[~Rowdy~]

Maybe... Maybe not. I have always said I will likely panic and forget to pull the cord. BUUUTTTT, if I ever find myself in the position that my avalanche training and common sense have been overcome by the tantrums of one of mother nature's avalanche, I owe it to the three kids I left at home to try and up my odds, even if only by a hair. On the off chance that I might have enough time and intuition to pull that cord and get out alive, it is absolutely my responsibility to try. Calculated risk involves making calculations that ADD to your chances, not SUBTRACT. My point of view.

I agree completely. Only reason I started this thread was to see if anyone else was on the same page as the guy I debated with. Just curious, and I want to get one too once I find the one right for me. It just seemed to me there is starting to become a certain "attitude" with some people that have them. I even had another guy say to me the same thing that he wouldn't ride with anyone without one when he himself didn't even have a beacon when I met him which was about a year earlier.

 

[polarisdragon800]

ABS is in the process of (or maybe they've have released it) it is a remote trigger. So if I am sitting at the bottom the the hill watching my buddy make a climb, if I see a slab break loose but he doesn't or maybe he is caught off guard. I can trigger his bag and make it go off. Great idea I figure.

 

[~Rowdy~]

Great thread, let me ask you this...if you don't have a bag what are the odds of you pulling the cord?

I would not refuse a rider for not having a bag but have refused a rider for not having a beacon and consistently do beacon checks with everyone in my group before we go up. I ride with a bag and it's a 30L bag with more then enough storage. Not buying the no storage idea you have. I asked myself the question before I bought my bag. Can I put a price on my life? No - CAN YOU? It really was a no brainer for me. Could a bag possibly save my life if used correctly in the event of an emergency? YES

If their are tools out their that will give me a higher chance of survival in case of an accident then I want to have that option. The bags do more then most people think. Not only do they keep an avalanche victim closer to the surface but they also assist in trauma. The snow pulse bags keep your head and spine straight and in an event of an emergency I want every tool avail to me. Bottom line it's a tool to assist in an event of an emergency.

Do you have power windows and air conditioning in your truck? Does your truck have an airbag? If it does do you turn it off because their is only a 50% chance it will go off if you get in an accident?

I wish I knew the pack that I had actually checked out. Because the woman with it last year could hold no more than a sandwich, water and some gloves, not kidding. So I assumed most avy packs were the same. But it's nice knowing they come bigger and now knowing that I will look into them. As I said I had ASSumed (yep I know what it means when you assume) that that was how all avy packs were

 

[E-Zmoke]

ABS is in the process of (or maybe they've have released it) it is a remote trigger. So if I am sitting at the bottom the the hill watching my buddy make a climb, if I see a slab break loose but he doesn't or maybe he is caught off guard. I can trigger his bag and make it go off. Great idea I figure.

Yes this was available last year and will be avail again this year

 

[~Rowdy~]

ABS is in the process of (or maybe they've have released it) it is a remote trigger. So if I am sitting at the bottom the the hill watching my buddy make a climb, if I see a slab break loose but he doesn't or maybe he is caught off guard. I can trigger his bag and make it go off. Great idea I figure.

Yes this was available last year and will be avail again this year

Eff this is hard to keep up with on my cell...

Has this been really tested?? That's pretty neat

 

[SledMamma]

I agree completely. Only reason I started this thread was to see if anyone else was on the same page as the guy I debated with. Just curious, and I want to get one too once I find the one right for me. It just seemed to me there is starting to become a certain "attitude" with some people that have them. I even had another guy say to me the same thing that he wouldn't ride with anyone without one when he himself didn't even have a beacon when I met him which was about a year earlier.

I have a hard time with the people who are totally exclusive and arrogant about avalanche safety, and this includes the beacon rule/avy training rule too: Jer and I try and bring an extra in case someone doesn't have one. Then, I try to make a point of doing beacon checks and playing find the beacon when we get up there. I also point out terrain traps and possible liabilities. Usually one ride with that person and a tiny bit of education, and next thing you know they are trying a little harder and have some healthy fear and respect. Change takes time and I try to give peeps one chance. A few years ago, all these super-holy-avy-bag-exclusive-group types barely had beacons (including me). Now they are the chit?!? Nope. We all started somewhere and we need to encourage better practices. If we leave them home, they might think twice, but likely it will be about what an arrogant prick I am (after all, if they realized the extreme amount of danger they were possibly exposing themselves to, they would already have made the beacon investment and taken a class). Its not until they get a little pee in their panties that they start to get the useful gears turning...

 

[E-Zmoke]

I wish I knew the pack that I had actually checked out. Because the woman with it last year could hold no more than a sandwich, water and some gloves, not kidding. So I assumed most avy packs were the same. But it's nice knowing they come bigger and now knowing that I will look into them. As I said I had ASSumed (yep I know what it means when you assume) that that was how all avy packs were

I think this is great, you are now more educated then you were before you made the post. There are alot of options when it comes to bags. They range anywhere from $650 - $1200 and you can get a bag/vest with little to no storage or you can get them upwards to 50L their are even snowmobile specific bags. Some of the most popular are the snowpulse himark (sled specific) or the new ABS packs which was stated earlier now have a remote trigger.

 

[maxwell]

good initiative YES,,,but i am sure its worked into the price some how..lets be real here,,BRP wants make money,not give it away..I am all for the idea but,i allmost guarantee,your paying for most if not all of it..

has nothing to do with brp.

 

[E-Zmoke]

One more quick analogy for everyone to ask themselfs...

Do you wear a life jacket/perserver when your in a boat?

 

[snopro]

One more quick analogy for everyone to ask themselfs...

Do you wear a life jacket/perserver when your in a boat?

HaHa. Different analogy. Most peeps would say yes.................when they see the RC's put there boat in the water.Lol.

 

[medler]

decent price?

 

[maxwell]

One more quick analogy for everyone to ask themselfs...

Do you wear a life jacket/perserver when your in a boat?

i think they are tucked away somewhere in the boat.

 

[teamgreen]

One more quick analogy for everyone to ask themselfs...

Do you wear a life jacket/perserver when your in a boat?

Its usually on the floor, but our boat is to big to capsize on our small lake. If if it was too sink shore isnt that far away

 

[SledMamma]

Its usually on the floor, but our boat is to big to capsize on our small lake. If if it was too sink shore isnt that far away

Unless you are knocked cold, in which case lake bottom is closest.