Too soon?

[arff]

Doo they come in pink??

 

[Trashy]

Doo they come in pink??

They Doo!!!

 

[arff]

They Doo!!!

I figured they would have to.....a lot of people need them.

 

[cdnredneck_t3]

He doesn't like the vertical steering post....most doo riders (including myself) find it hard to adapt to.....

When I went from my XP to the Pro it did feel weird at first, maybe about 25 miles or so. The vertical post is however much easier saving rider fatigue and helping handling. I won't go back to Doo until they fix it.

I am wondering how it is poke you in the balls school bus steering? To me Doo steering is break your arms, hurt your back and throw you down the hill steering. Especially if you stand the riser straight up like maxwell says to do.

 

[d mills]

When I went from my XP to the Pro it did feel weird at first, maybe about 25 miles or so. The vertical post is however much easier saving rider fatigue and helping handling. I won't go back to Doo until they fix it.

I am wondering how it is poke you in the balls school bus steering? To me Doo steering is break your arms, hurt your back and throw you down the hill steering. Especially if you stand the riser straight up like maxwell says to do.

I hear ya..... I am a doo rider.....and everything else feels very strange. But they all work very well depending on what the rider is used to. On my old wreck(12 freeride) I would never stand the steering post vertical. As I only tree ride some of the time (thus making me uncool by Chris burandts and all the people who want to assure you that they tree ride within seconds of meeting you cause it's cool now) I find that the riser will move if you get stood up on a 60ft+ hit. I see no advantage to putting the riser vertical on these sleds. Just cause's instability. You can move your body weight in line with the steering post on a tech turn or side hill just as easy with the steering angle where it should be.

 

[maxwell]

$1000.00 bet, paid in $20.00 Bills. I can prove you wrong.

Hey i forgot to mention if you ride in girly girl terrain it's totally doable on a pro rmk


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[maxwell]

When I went from my XP to the Pro it did feel weird at first, maybe about 25 miles or so. The vertical post is however much easier saving rider fatigue and helping handling. I won't go back to Doo until they fix it.

I am wondering how it is poke you in the balls school bus steering? To me Doo steering is break your arms, hurt your back and throw you down the hill steering. Especially if you stand the riser straight up like maxwell says to do.

I'm not straight up but about half way between inline with the post and vertical seems to be the sweet spot


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[maxwell]

You could if you don't mind the bar ends poking you in the nutz with the school bus steering..

Bingo. Steering position that doesn't flow with your body position is a recipe for poor backcountry navigation


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[Trashy]

Hey i forgot to mention if you ride in girly girl terrain it's totally doable on a pro rmk


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Damn.....

 

[maxwell]

Damn.....

Lol. Chit I'm drunk. Goodnight


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[maxwell]

Care to elaborate...? Inquiring minds want to know.

I have no idea. But I got you going didn't i LOL


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[Lowlife82]

I hear ya..... As I only tree ride some of the time (thus making me uncool by Chris burandts and all the people who want to assure you that they tree ride within seconds of meeting you cause it's cool now) .

That made me laugh...

 

[pistoncontracting]

I hear ya..... I am a doo rider.....and everything else feels very strange. But they all work very well depending on what the rider is used to. On my old wreck(12 freeride) I would never stand the steering post vertical. As I only tree ride some of the time (thus making me uncool by Chris burandts and all the people who want to assure you that they tree ride within seconds of meeting you cause it's cool now) I find that the riser will move if you get stood up on a 60ft+ hit. I see no advantage to putting the riser vertical on these sleds. Just cause's instability. You can move your body weight in line with the steering post on a tech turn or side hill just as easy with the steering angle where it should be.

Thank you for the explanation. I'm betting you speak for a good portion of the summit guys. It makes sense actually.

It also explains my point as well. The XM/XP do side hill very well, they lay over with ease, bla bla... especially if you have endless options, and have no need to actually go around anything while the sled is on edge. Carving an open slope is one thing... doing it and having to navigate obstacles is another.

But hey... who wants to scratch up a sweet wrap and polished tunnel all day??

 

[CUSO]

Do you see a motorcycle with vertical steering?

I prefer the steering post tp be angled towards the skis, (the things that make you navigate) not the gas tank..

Vertical steering keeps the bars at the same height when turning. an angled post makes the bars tip downward slightly on the inside turn side.

Stand on a vertical post sled and turn the bars... They stay in the same plane.

Explain this a little better if you don't mind.

 

[Joholio]

I have no idea. But I got you going didn't i LOL


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Ah so you spent new years back reading my super awesome thread hey??? Just kidding! Happy new year Maxwell!

 

[cdnredneck_t3]

Do you see a motorcycle with vertical steering?

I prefer the steering post tp be angled towards the skis, (the things that make you navigate) not the gas tank..

Vertical steering keeps the bars at the same height when turning. an angled post makes the bars tip downward slightly on the inside turn side.

Stand on a vertical post sled and turn the bars... They stay in the same plane.

No I don't see motorcycles with vertical steering. I also don't see motorcycle riders with all of their rider weight on one side of the machine in a full counter steer.

By keeping your weight low and on the inside of your turn I can tell you are a bad ass trail rider who does not understand that when counter steering it actually pulls your body weight over the top of the sled and down the hill.

When vertical bars stay in the same plane it allows the rider to maintain the sled balance point up hill easier because rider weight is not forced down the hill. It also allows the rider to simply pull on the down hill bar using the same weight required to keep the sled up the hill and counter steer requiring less energy.

Another nice thing about the steering on the Pro vs the Doo is they engineered the bars to swing a little bit more than the skis. This allows the bars to be almost parallel with the machine making the down hill hand hold come more toward the centre of the machine once again allowing the rider to keep more weight up the hill requiring less effort to maintain a side hill.

Bret Rasmussen uses a 2 inch riser laying horizontal toward the rear of the sled so his bars actually go up the hill in a counter steer. This is the exact opposite of what you are saying works best. Who am I to argue with Bret Rasmussen.

 

[CUSO]

Badass trail rider hey?

I used to countersteer, back when I was learning how to sidehill. I have evolved to more efficient techniques.

Actually, motorcycle racing uses countersteer..


The doo bars feel more natural to me than a vertical post that has a bunch of extra mechanical joints, 1:1 turning ratio is the most natural.


Bret Rasmussen uses a super short riser, at a goofy position which 99.999% of the people don't do. that backsweep would drive me nuts.

No I don't see motorcycles with vertical steering. I also don't see motorcycle riders with all of their rider weight on one side of the machine in a full counter steer.

By keeping your weight low and on the inside of your turn I can tell you are a bad ass trail rider who does not understand that when counter steering it actually pulls your body weight over the top of the sled and down the hill.

that makes no sense whatsoever.


When vertical bars stay in the same plane it allows the rider to maintain the sled balance point up hill easier because rider weight is not forced down the hill. It also allows the rider to simply pull on the down hill bar using the same weight required to keep the sled up the hill and counter steer requiring less energy.

Another nice thing about the steering on the Pro vs the Doo is they engineered the bars to swing a little bit more than the skis. This allows the bars to be almost parallel with the machine making the down hill hand hold come more toward the centre of the machine once again allowing the rider to keep more weight up the hill requiring less effort to maintain a side hill.

Bret Rasmussen uses a 2 inch riser laying horizontal toward the rear of the sled so his bars actually go up the hill in a counter steer. This is the exact opposite of what you are saying works best. Who am I to argue with Bret Rasmussen.

 

[tex78]

Omg

He rides like that???

sent while I should be drinking tea's

 

[minnow10]

The Xm with the laid back steering post,,, even though the sled build gets you the farthest forward of all three manufaactures,, the laid back bars keep your body back like a dog humpimg a football,, the vertical post keeps your body and weight in a vertical plain, yes most riders stand when riding , not sittin gback like on a bike,

imagine a PRO with a 165+ new engine , it would be back to the top and the others would have to pull something new out ,, the cat will have a new cat built engine 800 soon,( pending the results fromn the new 600) , there has been lots of changes in all manufactures over the past couple of years each one imlementing something exciting each year, the next couple of years to come will have some big breakthroughs IMO. I think it will be exciing if you are going to be in the market for a new sled in MY2015-2016

What is the purpose for Brett's verticle mod?
If I recall correctly there are two reasons. First, when you are pointed up a
hill, if you have this really long handlebar it is pushing you away from your
sled and down the hill (see the first Schooled DVD). Makes it harder to keep
forward on the sled (which is needed for control). Second, when your sled
rotates/rolls, longer handle bars tend to fling you across with the sled (more
leverage). Every little bump you hit that makes the sled roll amplifies the
distance the sled handlebars move the taller your riser is. Perhaps the longer
riser on the XP was beneficial since it was harder to lean over, but on a sled
like the XM where it is easier to get it over the longer riser can work against
you.

 

[pistoncontracting]

Vertical steering keeps the bars at the same height when turning. an angled post makes the bars tip downward slightly on the inside turn side.

Stand on a vertical post sled and turn the bars... They stay in the same plane.

Thats right, vertical steering does do that. With a flatter or more horizontal swing, it's not just that the inside is lower, but the outside is so much farther away. So unless your arm gets longer, it pulls you that much farther off center, or off balance. You can compensate for this by just pulling the sled into the hill more, but that will... and always does cause the sled to turn sharper, or on a sidehill, wash out.

I guess though, the aftermarket speaks volumes as to what people want for there machine. There sure are lots of kits available to 'improve' the steering angle for x/p's, x/m's, and nytro's. How many kits do you know of that are available to lower the angle of a vertical post??

Makes a guy wonder...