Too soon?

[pistoncontracting]

Badass trail rider hey?

I used to countersteer, back when I was learning how to sidehill. I have evolved to more efficient techniques.

Actually, motorcycle racing uses countersteer..
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The comparison to the bike is a good one. You counter steer a bike to turn, turn sharper. If you go to far though, the bike will make contact with the track, and you'll take pressure off the wheels... causing a skid, crash, whatever. Thats why corners on racetracks are either low on the bottom, or at least flat. Imagine cornering a bike around a corner banked the otherway... that is essentially what side hilling a snowmobile is.

 

[pistoncontracting]

Omg

He rides like that???

Less then ideal, I agree. But it's easy to see what he's achieving, and it has nothing to do with height.

Bret spends most of his time on 1 ski or the other. By moving the bar behind the center, it's shortening the distance it will pull.

 

[blastoff]

I think the better question is what Polaris is going to do.

Who cares!!

 

[LBZ]

I dunno. Most of the time I ride skidoo's the way they were engineered-rider forward with one foot on each side of the sled. On the XM just tip a knee out with a slight pull and your side hilling with ease. Counter-steer slightly to hold the line and cruise with along. I usually only stand on one side to initiate a sharp turn from a stop or slow speed or button-hook.
Those on the new doo's should try riding it like this and not like an S-chassis. When you get used to it, it is way better way to ride, easier to control and less fatiguing. The steering design compliments this style nicely.

Riding with two feet on one side in my experience is a flat steering trait which there is nothing wrong with. It works fine on Poo's and Cat's. That's how they were designed to be ridden.

 

[cdnredneck_t3]

Bret Rasmussen uses a super short riser, at a goofy position which 99.999% of the people don't do. that backsweep would drive me nuts.

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pistoncontracting answered the mortorcycle question so I will explain why the Doo steering pulls you down the hill. In the picture you found look at how the steering is positioned. The sled is ready to side hill on the left side, the steering is turned right and the bars are actually further up the hill with Bret's set up. Now imagine you had an 8 inch riser standing a bit vertical putting the bars forward of the T on the steering post. In that steering position the bars would actually be 6 or more inches to the right because of the arc. Therefore you body and rider weight would also be pulled down the hill. Does it make sense now?

 

[CUSO]

My bars a re in line with my post. It won't pull me down hill. What makes you think I have my riser totally vertical?

 

[CUSO]

Here is some of the new stuff that poo and cat will come up with soon...

LOL

 

[pistoncontracting]

Here is some of the new stuff that poo and cat will come up with soon...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKfHpcb9EOo LOL

Cool video. Can't help but notice the bump steer. Looks overcomplicated.

Cat and Polaris won't be changing the steering because it's not a problem.

Like I said, there are 3 or 4 companies offering a relocation kit for the horizontal steering of the nytro and xp/xm. Those kits try and move the steering post more vertical. Why do you think that is??

Also, if a pivoting suspension was ideal, people would be trying to retro fit it onto other machines. Why aren't they?? It's because it was a fix to a problem that never existed.

 

[CUSO]

The older steering systems on the Nytro, REVS and XP's were too low angle. People would raise the riser, to compensate the rider positioning and you would get a high rake steering, which would make the sled feedback more and make the sled less responsive to handling. Many aftermarket solutions were introduced to move the post forward and fix this. Doo moved it forward finally.
Just remember that doo has the most forward positioning of all the sleds, and to set back the riser to be inline with the steering would make the sled have the same rider to chassis position as their competitors..

Cool video. Can't help but notice the bump steer. Looks overcomplicated.

Cat and Polaris won't be changing the steering because it's not a problem.

Like I said, there are 3 or 4 companies offering a relocation kit for the horizontal steering of the nytro and xp/xm. Those kits try and move the steering post more vertical. Why do you think that is??

Also, if a pivoting suspension was ideal, people would be trying to retro fit it onto other machines. Why aren't they?? It's because it was a fix to a problem that never existed.

 

[pistoncontracting]

The older steering systems on the Nytro, REVS and XP's were too low angle. People would raise the riser, to compensate the rider positioning and you would get a high rake steering, which would make the sled feedback more and make the sled less responsive to handling. Many aftermarket solutions were introduced to move the post forward and fix this. Doo moved it forward finally.
Just remember that doo has the most forward positioning of all the sleds, and to set back the riser to be inline with the steering would make the sled have the same rider to chassis position as their competitors..

People raised the riser to be more comfortable while standing. Thats what causes an uncomfortable twist while steering. And although doo did push it forward, it's still not ideal.

 

[pistoncontracting]

The older steering systems on the Nytro, REVS and XP's were too low angle. People would raise the riser, to compensate the rider positioning and you would get a high rake steering, which would make the sled feedback more and make the sled less responsive to handling. Many aftermarket solutions were introduced to move the post forward and fix this. Doo moved it forward finally.
Just remember that doo has the most forward positioning of all the sleds, and to set back the riser to be inline with the steering would make the sled have the same rider to chassis position as their competitors..

As you can tell, I'm not much of a wordsmith. I found an interesting article. Pretty well sums it up.
The Ins and Outs of Sled Steering Control

 

[Joholio]

1,000,000 on foot warmers

 

[ferniesnow]

1,000,000 on foot warmers

and Joel has indiscreetly tried to pull this baby back on topic!

 

[Joholio]

and Joel has indiscreetly tried to pull this baby back on topic!

I definitely need to install a 12v plug in the glove box for iPhone charger lol

 

[ferniesnow]

I would like to see (not that BRP will be doo-ing it) the hand warmer switches on the Summits back on the handle bars. I hate having to sit down and work the switches.

The console location is great for "sit down trail riders" but it sure sucks for stand up riders........just saying.

 

[lilduke]

I would like to see (not that BRP will be doo-ing it) the hand warmer switches on the Summits back on the handle bars. I hate having to sit down and work the switches.

The console location is great for "sit down trail riders" but it sure sucks for stand up riders........just saying.

Have to disagree Fernie. I want only essential controls on my bars. ie brakes, throttle & kill switch. You do have to slow down or stop to fumble around with the hand warmers but that's minor IMO.

 

[maxwell]

I would like to see (not that BRP will be doo-ing it) the hand warmer switches on the Summits back on the handle bars. I hate having to sit down and work the switches.

The console location is great for "sit down trail riders" but it sure sucks for stand up riders........just saying.

you can still snowcheck that option

 

[dezmitchell]

ya i came off a m series chassis and i love the simplified design of the controls and bars its not so bulky and less stuff to break on my bars when i nose dive into tree wells (broken switches before by doo-in this)

 

[ferniesnow]

you can still snowcheck that option

Hey, you are full of good ideas!

 

[dsenych]

I would like to see at least one engineer spend a half hour redesigning the chain adjuster and the stupid chain oil level plug on the chaincase.........or better yet put a belt drive on it with a tensioner pulley.

Best idea ever!