Non Ethanol Premium Fuel Alberta and Western Canada

[ZRrrr]

https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/star-tron-enzyme-fuel-treatment-237-ml-0607567p.html#srp

 

[LMLCHEVY]

Glad we have purple premium right on the pump in town. It’s what I run if I run out before I get to Costco for their ethanol free premium.

 

[kanedog]

Shell premium or Chevron high test here in BC is all I use in the small engines (outboards, saws, quads, gens etc.) That ethanol is the devil.
The small engine shops must make a killing these days with the **** fuel out there.

You betcha buddy! The local small engine guy brings in $1,200/day fixing ethanol filled engines. He has a huge sign on the wall, run Chevron 94 octane only.

 

[Sled denny]

Are the octane boosters good to use in sleds

 

[DaveB]

Bringing up old thread...

I've been running Shell v-Power 91 (gold) for years in all my small motors due to the fact it was to contain no ethanol. I run Petro Can Ultra 94 in the Challenger as it's designed to run a certain amount of ethanol....plus the ethanol gives an "intercooling" effect on supercharged cars. In the fall (yesterday in this case) I start using Shell 91 in the Chally so that when I park it over the winter, there's no ethanol content to go bad. Anyways, I noticed that at the pump Shell has V-Power 91 and 93 now. Some internet searching turned up only rumors and stories, no conclusiveness as to the ethanol content of each. In fact https://www.pure-gas.org/ shows the Shell 93 to contain no ethanol.
SO: I emailed Shell. Below is the answer:

Please find below the information regarding your enquiry send to technical helpdesk.

Case No: 00362991
Enquiry: V Power Nitro ethanol content
Response:
Good morning,

Starting in 2022, all gasoline grades sold in Canada will be blended with 10% ethanol, including premium gasoline (V-Power 91 and 93), according to proposed regulations (10% ethanol Federal Clean Fuel Regulation for 2022, Low Carbon Fuel Requirements and need to reduce the carbon intensity of fossil fuels, which ethanol is one mechanism to reduce carbon intensity). All the provinces are switching slowly, and If you see the label at the pump, “Gasoline may contain up to 10% Ethanol” is already happening.

Regards,

Sylvie Martin
Shell Canada, support technique, Technical Support

 

[Bnorth]

Motherfuckers! Keep that corn ch!t out of my powersports fuel or at least give us E85 as well so I can make great cheap pump fuel power with my old turbo hotrod project.

 

[JMCX]

Unless you saw them add another storage tank, at the station which now has 93, the 93 is probably just 91 and they have some additve being injected inside the pump. Kind of like Shell's premium diesel.

It's also possible all the Shell premium is now 93 and when you buy 91 it is being cut with a little 87 inside the pump. I doubt that scenario though. However, I'm pretty sure 89 is a 50/50 blend of 87/91 done inside the pump .

 

[NoBrakes!]

there's legalities in the mon/ron ratings... they legally have to produce that number or more to put it out the pump... 89 is likely 91 but I doubt 93 is 91... I will ask the lab here at work if anything's changed, we make the fuel you buy.... from petro can

With that said, I run the 94 petro in my LSX454 and the carb never has any residue or gum in the spring... food for thought... I don't know about my fuel tank though, maybe its making water.

 

[snoflake]

Can you get the boys to whip up a barrel of C-12 for Thursday around noon. Need to do a little 440 shafferoff testing at BFs with whitey.

 

[Modman]

Bringing up old thread...

I've been running Shell v-Power 91 (gold) for years in all my small motors due to the fact it was to contain no ethanol. I run Petro Can Ultra 94 in the Challenger as it's designed to run a certain amount of ethanol....plus the ethanol gives an "intercooling" effect on supercharged cars. In the fall (yesterday in this case) I start using Shell 91 in the Chally so that when I park it over the winter, there's no ethanol content to go bad. Anyways, I noticed that at the pump Shell has V-Power 91 and 93 now. Some internet searching turned up only rumors and stories, no conclusiveness as to the ethanol content of each. In fact https://www.pure-gas.org/ shows the Shell 93 to contain no ethanol.
SO: I emailed Shell. Below is the answer:

Please find below the information regarding your enquiry send to technical helpdesk.

Case No: 00362991
Enquiry: V Power Nitro ethanol content
Response:
Good morning,

Starting in 2022, all gasoline grades sold in Canada will be blended with 10% ethanol, including premium gasoline (V-Power 91 and 93), according to proposed regulations (10% ethanol Federal Clean Fuel Regulation for 2022, Low Carbon Fuel Requirements and need to reduce the carbon intensity of fossil fuels, which ethanol is one mechanism to reduce carbon intensity). All the provinces are switching slowly, and If you see the label at the pump, “Gasoline may contain up to 10% Ethanol” is already happening.

Regards,

Sylvie Martin
Shell Canada, support technique, Technical Support

I will fill up tomorrow at Shell and grab some premium in a jerry can to test it for you. I need to know for the turbo as well. I've got a bunch of graduated lab hardware - easiest way to tell is actually to dump water into the fuel and measure the difference after it settles out (water bonds with ethanol and settles out).

 

[oler1234]

Kids here you go. Separate tank and separate hose! 94 @ chevon has what you want!

Photo taken on 52st and 114ave se in Calgary.

 

[DaveB]

I will fill up tomorrow at Shell and grab some premium in a jerry can to test it for you. I need to know for the turbo as well. I've got a bunch of graduated lab hardware - easiest way to tell is actually to dump water into the fuel and measure the difference after it settles out (water bonds with ethanol and settles out).

I gotcha…just a PITA with the car to grab a sample. On the “of interest” side: the Shell 93 has a “hint of race gas” smell idling the Chally in the garage. Lol

 

[rknight111]

Co-op premium states that there is 0 ethanol and has a 6 cent a liter discount on Tuesdays.

 

[mclean]

Why do you keep calling it a chally lol. That's high-school stuff

 

[DaveB]

Why do you keep calling it a chally lol. That's high-school stuff

I had a Duster in high school. LOL OK...the Hellcat has a race gas smell with the new Shell 93....

 

[MP Kid]

Co-op premium states that there is 0 ethanol and has a 6 cent a liter discount on Tuesdays.

Where’s this coop?
Never seen that at my local coop….

 

[rknight111]

 

[lilduke]

Mercury Marine, the world's largest manufacturer of marine engines, recently held a webinar to debunk some of its own myths about ethanol. I attended with interest. The first myth was that there are fuel additives that can prevent all issues associated with ethanol-blended gasoline. For example, no fuel additive can prevent ethanol from acting like a solvent. The second myth was that fuel additives can make stale or phase-separated fuel useable. "Fuel cannot be rejuvenated," Mercury determined, and they noted that it's a myth that ethanol-blended fuels are bad and should be avoided. Here are some quotes from the Mercury Marine webinar.

• "There is no active transfer mechanism for ethanol molecules to reach out and 'grab' water molecules out of the air. Under normal storage conditions, even in a vented fuel tank, it just does not happen at a level or rate that is relevant."
• "Major multi-billion dollar companies with enormous resources have improved gasoline additives but there have been no recent breakthroughs involving 'magical technology.' Claims made by companies about 'space-age,' 'revolutionary,' or special proprietary technology should be looked at with a high degree of suspicion."
• "E10 Ethanol absolutely IS an acceptable fuel for everyday use."
• "E15 Ethanol absolutely IS NOT an acceptable fuel."
• "After the transition period from E0, E10 may actually be a superior marine fuel as it tends to keep low levels of water moving through the fuel system, keeping the system 'dry.'"
• "Don't immediately assume E10 is the problem."

Many mechanics believe that octane loss during winter storage could be great enough to damage an engine when it's run in the spring. These same mechanics will often recommend leaving the tank almost empty so that fresh gasoline can be added in the spring to raise depleted octane levels. While all gasoline loses octane as it ages, ethanol-enhanced gasoline loses octane at about the same rate as regular gasoline, according to Jim Simnick, a technical advisor at BP Global Fuels Technology, and Lew Gibbs, a senior engineering consultant and Chevron Fellow. The two men have over 75 years of combined experience working with gasoline and both agree that the loss of octane over the winter would not be sufficient to damage an engine. Note, however, to keep any gasoline, including E10, as fresh as possible; they said it's good practice to always add fuel stabilizer — an antioxidant — whenever the boat will be idle for long periods.

 

[oler1234]

Ever wonder why people tune for 11.8-12.0 afr vs 12.6-12.8 for max power.

Ever wonder why 100% gas stoich 14.7, E10 is 14.2.

Sure hope everyone’s fuel map is calibrated correctly because no one is running a flex fuel sensor for this scenario.

 

[Modman]

Ever wonder why people tune for 11.8-12.0 afr vs 12.6-12.8 for max power.

Ever wonder why 100% gas stoich 14.7, E10 is 14.2.

Sure hope everyone’s fuel map is calibrated correctly because no one is running a flex fuel sensor for this scenario.

Do you think a shot starter will have enough to power to crank and light methanol at -10 around 8000 ft? Asking for a friend.......