Needing Advice.

[maxwell]

CLASSIC JUST CLASSIC!!!!

tolerances to tight? lol like rpm wouldnt know that. they have never put a motor together? give me a break jerry. of course wiseco pistons have tighter clearances but rpm would have dealt with that.how much is too tight jerry? you think? maybe? those are some big words. got a number? also. even if you slap a set of wiseco pistons into a motor it will run for ALOT longer than 3km if you let it properly warm up if it is getting oil. god this is exactly what jerry did to me. you could install a set of rocks into the cylinders with fishing line and it would run longer than 3km. lets think about this for a second...

motor does not get oil---> #1 piston seizes up.

so jerry how does the second piston get a chance to seize up? maybe there was some remnant oil in the line. or an air bubble in the first cylinder line. how does cyl #1 still have perfect compression? what does the good piston look like? tolerances? correct? sounds like an incorrect bleed to meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee maybe an airbubble that was not allowing oil to pass. if the tolerances were TO TIGHT.why is the good piston still GOOD. rpm just forgot to take the other piston out of the wrapper?

he just blows smoke that guy.

ive never seen a motor that took out both pistons and then the crank all in one shot due to an oiling problem. but hey thats just me.

however i do not understand why they wouldnt have properly executed the pump priming. its a pretty basic thing to do and they do it every day.

i would talk to rpm see what he has to say. but my guess is jerkaround jerry is covering his butt again. you like that fancy new building they have there? thanks to guys like you who jerry will continue to take advantage of.

either way i only premix my fuel on any machine i put together its just another mechanical system that can fail that you are eliminating.

now we get to hear storys about how jerry is such a nice guy and just awesome to deal with and such a family man. LOL. yeah you bought a brand new sled from him. now he will give you a sob story about how his mechanics spent hours and hours on that machine and it cost him thousands and not to bring your sled back there ever again. but he will meet you half way on the bill. maybe but not cash back. store credit.

 

[Cyle]

Yea that is brutal, I don't know a ton about 2 stroke engines either but it sounds fishy.

If i'm not mistaken though, i'm pretty sure you cannot (or should not) pre-mix on the SDI engines?

 

[Metalfusion]

Thanks maxwell. I felt like what he was saying was a bunch of BULLSHAT.

I truly dont understand 2stroke motors so any advice people have is great.

Im starting get get really pissed. Ive kept my cool till now but I feel like going in there and ringing his @#$%ing neck.

I was thinking about telling him to rebuild it and if it runs without touching the oil pump Ill pay him for it but if it doesnt its on his dime.

Just seems fishy that the same thing happened to 162wizzy when the motor seized up before the rebuild.

 

[maxwell]

thats a good idea. top end rebuild doesnt require a oil pump bleed.

 

[Metalfusion]

Yah Cyle Ive heard that the SDI motor injectors dont like premixed fuel too. I dont care if I have to replace the pump on my dime but the motor is going to be a different story.

Ill see them in court if I have to.

Their own mechanic said it wasnt getting oil when he pulled the plugs, now Jerry is trying to say different.

 

[Metalfusion]

Ill give Tom at Motts Machine a call tomorrow and see what he says. I hear they are one of the better motor shops around.

Ill call Randy at RPM too and just check as to what the clearances were set at.

 

[Cyle]

Yea that is BS. I would TELL them they are paying for the motor. One way or another, sueing them through small claims would probably be worth it if it came to that. You have every right to be pissed off about it, shops not doing their job is just BS.

You have tried to be nice and let them fix it, if they don't just go there and tell them the deal, fix it on their dime or you'll sue them. The threat might not do much, but serve them papers and it will.

Believe me I know what your going though, I am sueing Grove Dodge right now, seems like ALL dealerships are thieving aholes!

Small claims court won't cost you much, and you don't need a lawyer or anything, and you can win fighting a big company. It's been 2 1/2 year battle for me, but I will be getting my money very soon!! The best satisfaction is it costs them thousands more in the end!

 

[Smurff1000]

Wow, Just went over this thread

Took my RT1000 to Martain in October 2009
Wanted them to Make sure I have the Mid range program in it.
They reflash brain. $200, and said that the Rav line were mix up
and switch back to Stock?
I bough it from them Like that...? still charge for it.
Took 2 weeks to get that done.
First ride.
Just when out to Goose Tower this Sunday, Put new plus in-
blow a plug before even loaded it on the truck???
Was smoking more then normal?

Dove it all day this sunday not running right at all to rich.

Took BACK to Jerry Today, and I SAID WE have a problem:d

They said we will look at it in week or 2, I said I need it Friday:d

I will check in on tuesday and see what is what.

I do not want another bill,
just a sled that runs the way it was when I droped it off at least...
or like I was hoping BETTER...

Sorry for hopping on with my anger.

Just Mad at what is happening out there to all of us.

 

[highmark x]

I thought gerry was a stand up guy but, this just shows me he's not. I don't know alot about 2 stroke motors but learning and they should fix on thir dime. Had the same experience with wilerton ski-doo in wainright. It sucks. My motor getting done by eric at specialty, may not be any better but so far they back what they do. The fight is on metalfusion and don't back down. Good luck.:d

 

[Metalfusion]

Not a problem. I want to hear all the shat about Martin's service. Gives me ammo to go in there with. I dont know who they have working behind those doors but i am guessing that either they dont know what they are doing and no one is watching over them or they just dont care.

 

[maxwell]

I thought gerry was a stand up guy but, this just shows me he's not. I don't know alot about 2 stroke motors but learning and they should fix on thir dime. Had the same experience with wilerton ski-doo in wainright. It sucks. My motor getting done by eric at specialty, may not be any better but so far they back what they do. The fight is on metalfusion and don't back down. Good luck.:d

eric will get it done right no worries there. might cost a bit extra but worth it.

 

[rmk mod]

SO the piston clearance was set too tight and you seized up on only one side. Before you let them do any work at all tell them you want too see that one piston and jug. If clearances were too tight, and tight enough to seize you will see evidence of that on the piston skirt as well as on the liner (jug). I have installed many weisco pistons in my engines and have never had any issue what so ever. It sounds allot like an oil issue too me. You also said compression was @ 40 psi on the one cylinder, if clearance is too tight how is that possible? you would get low comp from either a torched piston, improper air/fuel or lack of oil eliminating cross hatch and creating blow bye. This kinda crap makes me soo angry, these a-holes will take advantage of every one they can every time, you are not the only one i have heard of being screwed by these guys. Hope this helps.

 

[highmark x]

Maxwell my rt has always went to eric, the only time it went to gerry was to get re-mapped. I do trust eric and his guys.:d

 

[maxwell]

my personal sled was acting up funny one day and i had to leave out of town for work and was leaving for the mountains the day i got back. i do all my work myself because i want it done right. but i took the chance and let someoneelse touch my machine so i could have it for the weekend. i took it to martin. i will admit my machine is modified but extremely well dialed in and really the mods are bolt on. when i took the machine there i told the service manager straight up it was not my aftermarket pipe that was causing the problem so dont even try that because i knew they would pull that string. i get a phone call a week later saying they tried everything they could to fix it and figured it was the pipe that was the problem. they stated on the bill that they installed a stock pipe and the machine ran good again. 1000$ later im not really upset at the price but moreso confused..because ive been modifying snowmobiles for years and this one ran flawless for years with the same mods..get it out on the snow..guess what. same as before. i take the bill in and tell jerry that listen i dropped a thousand bucks here and my sled is the same as before and you didnt listen to me when i told you what the problem WASNT. he gave me the sob story that his techs tried everything and spent 3x the amount of time on it than what they billed me( i dont care its still not fixed not my problem) . so after i get a little mad at him he agrees to give me 250$ store credit. fine. i leave. as im walking out he tells me not to bring my snowmobile back there ever again. i slam the door fairly hard and left. get back to my shop and test the dpm solenoid with a 9v battery and it was not operational. (30 second test) replaced with one i had on the shelf and the machine was good to go. his loss i suppose. my 4 good friends have all purchased brand new xps not from his store. i may not have lost alot of money but its the principal that matters. ever since then i give him a bad rep. because i can. i know alot of people in the snowmobile game and i let them know. saw him in the hot tub at the hotel about a month later in valemount. overheard him blowing smoke up some more bums and walked out LOL. now i run into him everywhere i go. awkward....

 

[Metalfusion]

Im dont know if I want them going into the engine at all. Guess there is no harm in letting them pull the head so I can take some pictures?

 

[maxwell]

well if they kniow the clearances are to tight they alraedy have it completely apart.

 

[08summit]

Good luck dealing with Martin period. They are just scam artists from sales to service that don't really give a SH%& if you ever come back. I was purchasing 2 800 outlander quads and 2 800 summits in 08 and tried to deal with them and they would not move on price which was fine but the salesman was cocky enough @ the time to tell me this is a city of almost 1 million people...we don't need to dicker with price as we don't need repeat business, If you don't buy or product today someone else will be here right behind you to pay full price. That was the last time I went through there door...Drove to Wetaskiwin and saved about 5 Grand on the 4 units and have had nothing but excellent service from them.

 

[maxwell]

wow that is cocky

 

[Metalfusion]

well if they kniow the clearances are to tight they alraedy have it completely apart.

No No...He was guessing that that was the problem.

Sorry if I was unclear about that.

 

[08summit]

For sure...but kind of sad @ the same time as he was only stating the truth. Too many people run there with there business as they think because they are a big outfit they will take care of you...farthest thing from the truth.