Fines for creek crossings?

[LennyR]

Well i wasn't going to be involved but now some of you dragged me in.

I get a good laugh at the some of the comment's on this thread. Though its really not funny.
Pointing finger's, basically a desperate act when you are ignorant and lack knowledge.

"one jet boat vs millions of atv's on a creek or river", "pictures of Nutley at root cause". Snowmobiler's and SAR rescue's are out of control and watch out you snowmobiler's your on radar. And so on and so on....LOL

Anyhow, you guys read this thread and if your going to point, look at your hand and see 3 more pointing back. Fact is, the toys, equipment and what ever your pleasure's of fancy's are, they are not the problem or issue. It's the BONE HEAD operating it.
It doesn't matter what sport you engage in, if your not aware of the environment your in the damage you can cause can be huge. You can be a hiker and cause substantial damage to the environment your hiking in. In fact F'n smoker's can burn and destroy a complete eco system in one toss, so let's ban them for life. LOL. That's how retarded this thread sounds.
What this really boil's down to is again "EDUCATION". Learning about our environment and its eco systems and respecting it.
BUT the sense of entitlement and lack of motivation combined with its somebody else's causing these problem...(pointing fingers again) get's us no where, like spinning our wheels in grease.

As an example, if your crossing on a frozen lake on thin ice, do you walk across and maybe when half way jump up and down and see if it will break? F'n NO
So when your in a jet boat on a skinny river or creek, why would you throttle full bore causing river bed and shore line disturbance????
Maybe because of lack of respect, education and over blown ego?
Your out along a meadow in the mountain's with your ATV and SXS and your body cut's through the creeks spinning tires over and up a bank. To save the day you fallow cause you cannot be out done by him and his POS or you will never hear the end of it.
Again, lack of respect, education and over blown ego?
I could go on, but the fact is EVERYONE on this forum has F'n the environment and has cause a significant impact, including me. The important part is to educate your self about the environment and its eco systems and adopt way's to protect and lessen the impact while enjoying what ever you do. Pointing finger's goes no where, it make's us look stupid.

BTW, turning a blind eye to other being stupid doesn't help, if you see people tearing up a meadow or what ever it maybe in what ever sport.....say something, maybe they just didn't know.
If we don't figure this out, the government will figure it out for you instead and don't blame them or point fingers. They are not the problem.

Well you're probably right there a lot of boneheads riding and driving whatever out there , I don't really understand the ice crossing point, and speaking of education, about the jet boats, you're wrong there , the more on plane you keep the boat , by keeping throttle on the less impact on the weeds, bulrushes and shoreline you will inflict. I see these guys dragging their boats a$$ half on plane half throttle , banging the hell out of parked boats or pounding the beaches and fishermen, making a wave suitable for wake boarding and think, WTF, obvious inexperience. Stay on that throttle, far less wake.

 

[Lund]

By and large I agree with a lot you say ... Up until you mention the government . You see they are made up of people just like us ... They too have all the flaws and quirks that you so valiantly point out in our group here.. They have the ego , the whos department is bigger , who has more authority ....etc etc
Much the same as any other group or collection of individuals . However there is one critical difference , they have the ability to change people's lives , mostly for the good , sadly often it goes the other way though...

So for you to totally remove accountability , remarkably is just as ill informed and laugable as the the rest of the people you are bringing into question ....
Well I understand you have spent time in the military & you are taught not to question authority ( respectively ) however , there are cases the government is responsible for poor decisions ... Many many times over ! I must also point out that the financial implications ( read crooked chit) that occurs in the government today , is a huge problem in poor decision making effecting the average Individual ! However , that is for another day....

I leave you with this final thought..
The world would be much worse of with a shortage of ego ... I would rather a person try and fail rather than fail to try ...

Happy sledding !!

I agree and cannot argue with any of your points. The only thing i could add though is when government takes a hard line on things, Its usually because things are not very good and the pressure from the general population and advice from their sources are telling them so. In this case would you not agree that our behavior is not very clean, in fact kinda tarnished and without certain checks in place things would get a lot worst?
Not that i'm pro government on everything but i see most people do not belong to clubs (atv/snowmobile) and basically ride unregulated. While most clubs will preach and teach to tread lightly and respect the environment, these non member's don't and don't think of the consequences.

Well you're probably right there a lot of boneheads riding and driving whatever out there , I don't really understand the ice crossing point, and speaking of education, about the jet boats, you're wrong there , the more on plane you keep the boat , by keeping throttle on the less impact on the weeds, bulrushes and shoreline you will inflict. I see these guys dragging their boats a$$ half on plane half throttle , banging the hell out of parked boats or pounding the beaches and fishermen, making a wave suitable for wake boarding and think, WTF, obvious inexperience. Stay on that throttle, far less wake.

In my post i said nothing about taking your boat out of step. Read my post again, i was talking about having a heavy throttle hand when not needed. ("full bore throttle").
I own a jet boat, i know what it takes to keep it on plane and it's not all balls out. That roost out the back is an issue when not using your head.

 

[Lem Lamb]

Human's are hard on the planet since we need resourses and the natural sytem both.

Good too have jobs, energy, food, and many other things.

Good as well to have natural earth state too.

As said in a above post, we all have in one way our the other caused some kind of impact on lttle space rock in one form or the other.

We have houses, auto's, power, shop at malls, rec-centers, logging, oil-patch, farming, wrenching, fishing, ohv, boats and lots of things that add quality too our lives.

Purhaps this change will do us good, or not good as we're heading into a "let's try this mod".

It would be awesome too find the 50/50 between having what we need and can use, and leave other stuff the way it is for the good of the eco system, the middle balance let's say.

Just a thought of wrong or right in a ever changing world

Cheers from Lem

 

[LennyR]

I agree and cannot argue with any of your points. The only thing i could add though is when government takes a hard line on things, Its usually because things are not very good and the pressure from the general population and advice from their sources are telling them so. In this case would you not agree that our behavior is not very clean, in fact kinda tarnished and without certain checks in place things would get a lot worst?
Not that i'm pro government on everything but i see most people do not belong to clubs (atv/snowmobile) and basically ride unregulated. While most clubs will preach and teach to tread lightly and respect the environment, these non member's don't and don't think of the consequences.



In my post i said nothing about taking your boat out of step. Read my post again, i was talking about having a heavy throttle hand when not needed. ("full bore throttle").
I own a jet boat, i know what it takes to keep it on plane and it's not all balls out. That roost out the back is an issue when not using your head.

No, this is what you said, "So when your in a jet boat on a skinny river or creek, why would you throttle full bore causing river bed and shore line disturbance????
Maybe because of lack of respect, education and over blown ego?" So, whether you own a jet boat or not, full throttle is gonna cause a hell of a lot less riverbed and shoreline disturbance than half or whatever. Just saying . But I suppose you're right as long as you're fully on step , not gonna be a great deal of difference impact wise , except maybe noise.

 

[d mills]

Lund has spoken....thread over.


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[arff]

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For a few hours

 

[d mills]

At least until 8 am pacific time.


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[imdoo'n]

let's get this party started GO!!!!!

 

[Lund]

hello

 

[Joholio]

Lund has spoken....thread over.


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[busted2x]

It's provincial actually.


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[arff]

It's provincial actually.


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2016.
Violations and specified penalties were in place from 1979 to 2011, under the former Forest Recreation Regulation. In 2011, when Public Land Administration Regulation consolidated four regulations, including the Forest Recreation Regulation, the violations were amended. However, the specific ticket amounts were omitted.
Without specified ticket amounts, officers would issue a summons to appear in court and proceed to trial.

So nothing new other than they can give you a ticket on the spot and no court or trial time.

 

[Lem Lamb]

If you get a ticket, don't waist your time challenging the giver as it's their job too find issues that arise, I'd thank them for doing their job if I got charged.

Up too judge too decide what's what in the realm of things.

I'm a rock rider for many years since I've been told I have rocks in my head, so the ones on the ground are friends of mine.

I'm sure it's ok too run over your pals, Ha.

Rock head Lem

 

[troy]

I don't think I ever meet anyone on my life that said :: thanks for the ticket .
I would just be quiet and take it , not : thanks for taking my hard earned money from me .

Just saying
Lmao


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[rzrgade]

If you pin it to cross a creek on a canam and your visco lol only kicks in by the time you have crossed ... Do you only have to pay 75% of the fine ...??

 

[troy]

Ok then , what if you water skip it and don't touch the bottom .
All good no foul ??


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[arff]

If you pin it to cross a creek on a canam and your visco lol only kicks in by the time you have crossed ... Do you only have to pay 75% of the fine ...??

BRP pays

 

[pfi572]

https://www.facebook.com/AlbertaFishandWildlifeEnforcement/posts/1758877791037615:0

 

[Lem Lamb]

I didn't say too thank them for taking my money if you read the post correct!

It was to thank them for doing their job as stated by the Governing body of Alberta,,, most of us have jobs that are not in-line with our folks likings that we don't have a say over.

In my post if one reads it correctly it states that it is a person job "officer" of what ever too do their due diligence at reading between the lines of law,,, if they feel a ticket is too be issued, then so be it.

Thanking for doing their job and thanking them for the ticket are 2 different things.

One can dispute the ticket to the ticket giver, but it "most likely won't get it removed any-who,,, just saying.

As one reads more of the post, my next comment stated that it's up to a judge to decide if the charge stands.

The chances of winning in court is good if you have the ducks in a row, and interpretation of law and rules are very wide with exception for change.

The idea in our favour is a mistake on the ticket and the charge its self, another win is if the ticket giver does not show up for court. "remember that many conservation folk are part time, so when it gose to court 3 or 9 months later that they no longer work there, our last court date was 2 year less a day, and we did not walk into the court house for another 6 months after that".

The officer by that time misplaced 90% of his notes and he could not remember nothing of what, when, where, why, and who in the W-5 interrogation, Ha.

Just the way it works out since we all have the right to fair trial.

And we thanked the judge since its noble too do so.

Pal Don as each of us finds what works in a mixed up world.

 

[tex78]

https://www.facebook.com/AlbertaFishandWildlifeEnforcement/posts/1758877791037615:0

I got that blip on my f.b this am too




Did u read some of the comments


Fawk is there a lot of dump people out there