imdoo'n
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just questioning the number 1 in 5 Albertans owning ohv, there friend, not insulting anyone,
Fines for creek crossings?
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just questioning the number 1 in 5 Albertans owning ohv, there friend, not insulting anyone,
rzrgade
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Larry : Can you prove those #s are incorrect ? If so how ? Aohva gets part of their funding through a portion of ATV sales, so I would think they might have an idea how many units sell...would you not agree. None the less , as I stated mutiple times , these are not my #s , and if you think they false ( Aohva ) you should contact them and call them out on it !
You talk a lot about clubs and #s and such , what official club do you belong too? You seem to have jumped on the greenie bandwagon, yet at the same time put on the biggest , most aggressive mud tires ( on the heaviest machine )that fit on your machine ...? So I am very confused ...
If you are for bridges over any wet spots , why the big tires ?
My point is I feel bridges are great when vital for fish habitat ,and that's it ! I don't want bridges over mud puddles every fifty feet ! I don't want to pay for hundreds of enforcement officers too watch every trail . I enjoy the odd mud hole that IMO , does not do any damage to the environment ! Secondly , industry is doing way more damage than quads ever will , do enforcement officers check on them everyday randomly ?
And thirdly to enter into any agreement with the promise of funding from this government is a bad idea ! Why , because they will be out of money soon , real soon !!
A user fee will never cover the cost of thousands miles of bridges , trail repairs and maintenance and the cost to hire enough officers to enforce it properly...
Also if you enforce it too much people will just find other ways to spend there $$$, most likly in other country's and provinces !
I do believe that clubs , and getting involved is a great idea , however reading between the lines it appears not all the clubs and asscotiations are on the same page. Would we not be better off with one voice , rather than dozens of little clubs fighting for the governments attention ?
This is my personnel view , and of course you may agree or disagree ... And that's fine by me . Along with that I thank anyone that works dam hard too keep the riding areas open ,not withstanding the fact we have different opinions on how to achieve that goal....
You talk a lot about clubs and #s and such , what official club do you belong too? You seem to have jumped on the greenie bandwagon, yet at the same time put on the biggest , most aggressive mud tires ( on the heaviest machine )that fit on your machine ...? So I am very confused ...
If you are for bridges over any wet spots , why the big tires ?
My point is I feel bridges are great when vital for fish habitat ,and that's it ! I don't want bridges over mud puddles every fifty feet ! I don't want to pay for hundreds of enforcement officers too watch every trail . I enjoy the odd mud hole that IMO , does not do any damage to the environment ! Secondly , industry is doing way more damage than quads ever will , do enforcement officers check on them everyday randomly ?
And thirdly to enter into any agreement with the promise of funding from this government is a bad idea ! Why , because they will be out of money soon , real soon !!
A user fee will never cover the cost of thousands miles of bridges , trail repairs and maintenance and the cost to hire enough officers to enforce it properly...
Also if you enforce it too much people will just find other ways to spend there $$$, most likly in other country's and provinces !
I do believe that clubs , and getting involved is a great idea , however reading between the lines it appears not all the clubs and asscotiations are on the same page. Would we not be better off with one voice , rather than dozens of little clubs fighting for the governments attention ?
This is my personnel view , and of course you may agree or disagree ... And that's fine by me . Along with that I thank anyone that works dam hard too keep the riding areas open ,not withstanding the fact we have different opinions on how to achieve that goal....
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Well I have 4 and ride 1 all summer and 1 for hunting.
Our voice needs to be heard in a professional manor.
Members on the site making comments or personal attacks on others make all OHV users look like idiots.
It's the 10 percent rule. The biggest biotch people do nothing to help.
Never join clubs
Never help fix trails
Never volunteer
Never research facts
Never donate or support any group with donations or advertising
Just my opinion.
Thanks
imdoo'n
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think about it, how many ohv 's do you have, I have 9, ray says he has 4, right there your numbers are flawed! maybe u should qualify where they did come from as you posted them as fact!!!
not siding with any green organization, quit grabbing at straws!
there needs to be bridges over streams to limit erosion. and yes the present system is not sustainable. and yes you may not like the changes that are looking like they are coming. As too tires really none of your business along with any organization I may or may not belong to.
and yes I have stated many times to join an organization, un like u, I never have said to join any organization in particular, as that is your choice!
so what really is your problem?
now if your numbers you are using, stated there are enough ohv's for 1 in 5 people in alberta, ok, just not what you are proposing as fact.
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rzrgade
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So you are fine with telling everyone to do this or do that / join a club / donate time etc .... But if I ask you what you do ,it's none of my buisness ....okay lol .
Anyways I have to get ready for the jamboree , which I and many others on here fully support, so I would appreciate it if you kept the silly chit on the suds / buds thread ... As per usual .
I highly value supporting the site that lets me spout off my opinions ....
Anyways I have to get ready for the jamboree , which I and many others on here fully support, so I would appreciate it if you kept the silly chit on the suds / buds thread ... As per usual .
I highly value supporting the site that lets me spout off my opinions ....
tex78
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But Larry there is lots of people that are atv-utv enthusiasts that do not own a machine
So a safe bet on numbers are what is posted, it's like a gps could be right, could be low, could be high
So a safe bet on numbers are what is posted, it's like a gps could be right, could be low, could be high
imdoo'n
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true tex, but the post was 1 in 5 own, not enjoy or wish they had one.
imdoo'n
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chill out! your going to have a stroke!
I don't think it is any of my business what club / organization you join, is it? why do you need to know mine? and what's wrong with saying join a club or organization?
have fun at jambourie, I can't attend bad me! I did pick up some trash on the trail for my part.
and upon a bit of back reading, I'm not the only one questioning your numbers.
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imdoo'n
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for some reason you think this is a personal attack? all I was asking is where these numbers come from, as they don't make sense. nothing else. 
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rzrgade
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You need to brush up on your reading skills then . I have pointed out numerous times the 1/5 number is from AOHVA . I have no idea if this number is correct and never said it was . The POINT is if you are that concerned about it being incorrect , call or email them !
Why ask me when I have repeatedly stated it is there # ....I just don't understand what you are trying to do or achieve here.
Also I am sure you would be welcome to support the S/M jamboree without being there ... With a donation .
Why ask me when I have repeatedly stated it is there # ....I just don't understand what you are trying to do or achieve here.
Also I am sure you would be welcome to support the S/M jamboree without being there ... With a donation .
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imdoo'n
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I seriously think you need to do some back reading there bud.
i need all my money for axles lol.
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What is up with you 2 ????? We are all OHV users lets just get along. You both need to get busy and enjoy your rides. Have a good day. Its like high school all over again.
LBZ
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I'd buy the 1 in 5 as an average of machines out there vs the population of Alberta. That's how they generally calculate it if everyone were to own one of them. Obviously this isn't accurate as some own more than one machine throwing the numbers off, but it's the only way to do it.
One has to remember all the farmers and ranchers that have them as well but never leave the farm. That's why it doesn't look like the deerfoot out there.
One has to remember all the farmers and ranchers that have them as well but never leave the farm. That's why it doesn't look like the deerfoot out there.
Lem Lamb
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Good too get along works for me !
Me not gooder at big & small wording that is hard to have brothers and sister red into what Iz post at times.
Let it be said that I hope too be more wrong then right on all my posts so we can all sit back with our hand scratching our head wondering what the sand hill crane is that knuckle head talking about now, Ha.
From learning curve Don
PS: Back to Four Fox Crossing Creeks thread ! Did I just read into this wrong.
Me not gooder at big & small wording that is hard to have brothers and sister red into what Iz post at times.
Let it be said that I hope too be more wrong then right on all my posts so we can all sit back with our hand scratching our head wondering what the sand hill crane is that knuckle head talking about now, Ha.
From learning curve Don
PS: Back to Four Fox Crossing Creeks thread ! Did I just read into this wrong.
rzrgade
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Most of the time I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about , or what you're point is...
but I certainly do enjoy the pictures ...
We did have the opportunity to discuss creek crossings with two esrd members at the Snow & Mud Jamboree trail. Our group was very happy with the answers to the questions we asked in terms of rule changes regarding creeks and wet areas ....
As a result we will ride in the same manner we have been for the past while, as this was totally fine with the two officers!
I would highly recommend anyone concerned to ask the esrd in the area you ride what they advise ! We all ride different areas , some more sensitive than others , etc etc .....
IMO ,we have so much miss information on here and on other parts of social media that it is time for individual riders to take responsibility for the what / where/why on their off road activities and responsibility. We viewed the trails , and situations where we ride and as I said were quite pleased with the answers provided , as well as the respect shown to us by the two officers ....
cheers !
but I certainly do enjoy the pictures ...
We did have the opportunity to discuss creek crossings with two esrd members at the Snow & Mud Jamboree trail. Our group was very happy with the answers to the questions we asked in terms of rule changes regarding creeks and wet areas ....
As a result we will ride in the same manner we have been for the past while, as this was totally fine with the two officers!
I would highly recommend anyone concerned to ask the esrd in the area you ride what they advise ! We all ride different areas , some more sensitive than others , etc etc .....
IMO ,we have so much miss information on here and on other parts of social media that it is time for individual riders to take responsibility for the what / where/why on their off road activities and responsibility. We viewed the trails , and situations where we ride and as I said were quite pleased with the answers provided , as well as the respect shown to us by the two officers ....
cheers !
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Rzrgade is correct.
Call ESRD and RCMP we talked to them twice over the last week.
I called them and also we met them at the lunch stop.
Great people to talk to and they are not against us but want to work with us.
As rzrgade said call yourself and talk about situations regarding your riding area.
Misinformation is like a fish story everyone adds a bit. Soon it's all wrong.
Call ESRD and RCMP we talked to them twice over the last week.
I called them and also we met them at the lunch stop.
Great people to talk to and they are not against us but want to work with us.
As rzrgade said call yourself and talk about situations regarding your riding area.
Misinformation is like a fish story everyone adds a bit. Soon it's all wrong.
arff and rzrgade, good to hear you chatted with A.E.P. C.O.'s/A.E.P. Public Land Officers/Forest Officers (not sure which one) (by the way, ESRD does not exist anymore) and R.C.M.P. The great thing is they enforce the law, administer it as they are told/as it is written.
What a number of us here on the S&M are working on is the dealing with the people who want the law changed (ie. government in power and extreme environmentalists), for the worse for O.H.V.'ers.
We deal with the worst case scenarios - "kick O.H.V.'ers out/close the area down". This usually comes up when their message of "destruction of the environment" is louder with the lawmakers then our message of responsible trail riding/rider. Riders do not help our message when the government is presented with evidence of widening of trails on wetlands, mud-bogging trails along level landscapes, AND ESPECIALLY NOW - videos of people riding through flowing water, either across it, but especially, up and down it. Thank goodness it is 99% across it, but the enviros know that even that - as the law is written - it is 100% illegal. The C.O. have been told not to enforce crossing flowing water when O.H.V.'ers are following a trial - for now - as the government are working through the new "plan" A.E.P. is coming along with.
What a number of us here on the S&M are working on is the dealing with the people who want the law changed (ie. government in power and extreme environmentalists), for the worse for O.H.V.'ers.
We deal with the worst case scenarios - "kick O.H.V.'ers out/close the area down". This usually comes up when their message of "destruction of the environment" is louder with the lawmakers then our message of responsible trail riding/rider. Riders do not help our message when the government is presented with evidence of widening of trails on wetlands, mud-bogging trails along level landscapes, AND ESPECIALLY NOW - videos of people riding through flowing water, either across it, but especially, up and down it. Thank goodness it is 99% across it, but the enviros know that even that - as the law is written - it is 100% illegal. The C.O. have been told not to enforce crossing flowing water when O.H.V.'ers are following a trial - for now - as the government are working through the new "plan" A.E.P. is coming along with.
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This is the new Provincial Ministry under the NDP, as is Alberta Environment and Parks (ie. no more ESRD - it has been absorbed here). Public Lands department is under A.E.P. too.
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