what bs

[imdoo'n]

I'm wondering does that particular salesperson ever go out in the back country? Does that salesperson, replace their own beacon every two years?

Sounds like hookey sales talk to me! Definitely BS!

I have found if you use technology enough (GPS, SPOT, beacons) it doesn't take long to get better than most of the salespersons.

the best one i ever heard was a clown told me a new truck was a sound investment, right you lose $12,000. 0r more soon as you sign the papers.
if you beacon is not working right, yes replace it, but it should be ok as long as it works right.

 

[ferniesnow]

the best one i ever heard was a clown told me a new truck was a sound investment, right you lose $12,000. 0r more soon as you sign the papers.
if you beacon is not working right, yes replace it, but it should be ok as long as it works right.

and how do you find out if it works right?

Practice, practice, practice.....in the yard, in the staging area, on the mountain, and/or when the better half tries to hide to pee.....

 

[imdoo'n]

You have a pretty impressive beacon if it has a 90+ meter range. If you have an SOS analog like my old spare you have your ft. and m confused there buddy. You at best will be at a good walk with your analog where I can run to find my friend. No turning dials just RUN with the arrow. What you gonna do for the second guy???? I can flag three people as I find them with the push of a button. Analog requires a resweep to get started while I will be again RUNNING to the next victim. Have you been trained, by your comments I would like to see you post your AST1 cert buddy. Every one in my group is trained-EVERYONE!. Lets compare apples to apples, equally trained using analog and digital will result in a serious ass whooping to the analog and it gets worse from there with multiple burials.
You keep your $490 clams to bribe people to ride with you and your analog and it's 90m range. I'll stick with my trained group and better equipment. The only person on this site you will ever convince that an analog is the way to go is the guy you see in the mirror in the morning and that's not a gay joke. Good luck, ride safe, get trained and for Christ's sake get a real beacon to save you friends ass if you don't care about your own.

mr snochuck, i still say the sos beacon in my hand will give me a signal and direction at 90m, you and kgr as far as i'm concerned called me a liar, you want to prove me wrong/

 

[maierch]

you may be right or wrong really doesn't matter as all beacons will have the same problem, but i think rough handling would do more damage than any degradation that might happen. again another sales intimidation gimmick,

All beacons will have the same problem over time you're right. I'm not saying that everyone should rush out and buy new beacons every year or anything like that. I hate more than anyone when someone uses fear to try to sell something to me.

I do think that some sort of benchmark needs to be set for beacon operation. Are you able to tell if the range of your beacon changes a couple of inches a month on range? (which could add up quickly over the years)

Where is the change coming from? The transmitter (which means your a$$) or the receiver(your buddy a$$)? The location you're doing your search at? Other signals in the area?

For it being a life saving device there should be some sort of calibration check that can be done on a yearly basis that assures the user that his or her beacon works just as well as the day they bought it. Similar to an H2S Monitor.

Also consider Beacon manufacturers aren't the Red Cross. They are for profit businesses relying on market growth to make their money and spur their R & D. At some point the market will plateau and the R&D will stop if no one's willing to reinvest in the newer technology.

 

[imdoo'n]

maierch, i agree. the only check you have is against another receiver. luckily i have a area to check against previous tests.

 

[snochuk]

mr snochuck, i still say the sos beacon in my hand will give me a signal and direction at 90m, you and kgr as far as i'm concerned called me a liar, you want to prove me wrong/

As you have stated read the posting carefully! You are just here to bash salesmen, if you don't know that they are full of crap before you talk to one you are just the person they are looking for. You set up a scenario of unequal equipment and training to provoke controversy not to promote safety, sorry but I have no use for that type of person. By the type of responses and frequency I would say you like to hear yourself talk and have a lot of conversations with the mirror.
You failed to respond to all of my post and only want to respond to provoke more controversy so you can listen to yourself even more, got issues with multiple burial rescue and your analog?

kgr and I did not call you a lair we called you a douche bag, I stand by what I said in my post.

PS Stop sending me PMs, I don't think we're gonna be friends

 

[imdoo'n]

As you have stated read the posting carefully! You are just here to bash salesmen, if you don't know that they are full of crap before you talk to one you are just the person they are looking for. You set up a scenario of unequal equipment and training to provoke controversy not to promote safety, sorry but I have no use for that type of person. By the type of responses and frequency I would say you like to hear yourself talk and have a lot of conversations with the mirror.
You failed to respond to all of my post and only want to respond to provoke more controversy so you can listen to yourself even more, got issues with multiple burial rescue and your analog?

kgr and I did not call you a lair we called you a douche bag, I stand by what I said in my post.

PS Stop sending me PMs, I don't think we're gonna be friends

whatever, anytime you want to test range give me a shout i got $200 says your full of crap, i'll take yours, and kgr's cash anytime. as for friends, why you?

 

[maxwell]

SOS gets about 20 meteres. the rest about 60. the 500$+ ones about 70

 

[imdoo'n]

SOS gets about 20 meteres. the rest about 60. the 500$+ ones about 70

just about as far as i could throw it.

 

[Bogger]

just about as far as i could throw it.

I call BS.... an old fawker like you can't throw that far.....

 

[imdoo'n]

I call BS.... an old fawker like you can't throw that far.....

yeah your right, maybe 10, unless snochuk was the target.

why do these guys always want to be my friend. and get so defensive when challenged, seem to go to the name calling right away. maybe he fears for his $200.

anyway i may have to do something other than hoisting to increase my throwing range. :d

 

[kgr]

 

[polarice]

so how does a guy asking a question turn into such a thread ....

shouldnt be that hard people of ya cant answer the question why reply

 

[Bogger]

so how does a guy asking a question turn into such a thread ....

shouldnt be that hard people of ya cant answer the question why reply

I can't answer that........

 

[kgr]

Was there an actual intelligent question?

 

[snochuk]

Was there an actual intelligent question?

No

 

[imdoo'n]

lets see you 2 like to throw the name calling around, plus a lot of other crap, whatever. you called me out and i responded $200 says my sos will receive a signal farther than any digital beacon you or kgr has. and i say it will do it at 90m, or you want to go $10 for every meter difference. yes the digital will do better in a multiple burial, and i still say the digital is the way to go.
anyway it's put up or shut up time. and no i don't see any need to have you as a friend.

 

[ferniesnow]

Was there an actual intelligent question?

I thought there was but the question mark was omitted....."again how will wearing a $500 beacon work better than wearing a $10 beacon in saving a persons life, remember you are the victim not rescuer?"

That was a quote from the original post. I agree with imdoo'n, the beacon does not lose power or range in the transmit mode?

Does the older beacon and even the digital beacon lose transmitting power over time (not counting the fact of poor batteries)?

We all know or should know that the newer beacons and the more expensive beacons can find victims (and more victims) quicker and more efficiently. But that was not the question.

Basically, I have a newer beacon because I want to find victims (buddies, wife, family members, etc.) faster and easier. No salesman pushed me to doo it.

 

[polarice]

I thought there was but the question mark was omitted....."again how will wearing a $500 beacon work better than wearing a $10 beacon in saving a persons life, remember you are the victim not rescuer?"

That was a quote from the original post. I agree with imdoo'n, the beacon does not lose power or range in the transmit mode?

Does the older beacon and even the digital beacon lose transmitting power over time (not counting the fact of poor batteries)?

We all know or should know that the newer beacons and the more expensive beacons can find victims (and more victims) quicker and more efficiently. But that was not the question.

Basically, I have a newer beacon because I want to find victims (buddies, wife, family members, etc.) faster and easier. No salesman pushed me to doo it.

you know for an old school teacher you sure spell the word do wrong an awfull lot....

 

[maxwell]

in our avy course the sos guys were stuck at the beggining less than 20m? anyone else get these results.......