Vegas SHOOTING

[S.W.A.T.]

Tom,

I don't think you get the full meaning of this meme (my apologies if you did) Basically, trump and the world are up in arms with the thought about this guy having nukes but are not when talking about high powered guns and don't want to talk about it and say its people the kill not the gun.

No I do get it and understand. My point is that no not everyone should have guns. Those who kill, have killed or my kill.

I am a very firm believer that guns don't kill, people kill. NK shouldn't have nukes, people with a history of vilence shouldn't have guns. On paper the Vegas shooter showed no signs (to my knowledge but may come out as the investigation goes on) of being anything other then a regular gun owner. Obviously it's being shown he had a secret agenda. NK has no secret agenda and it's known, Kim Jung whatever his name is shouldn't have a marshmallow gun let alone a army. He is inflicting terror on the world particularly westerners. There are many people I would say shouldn't have guns.

 

[snopro]

I’m not going to side for or against gun control...emotional issue. I will say this: gun control NOW will do nothing in the USA. The genie is out of the bottle and it’s not getting stuffed back in. There’s more guns than people. New regs going forward won’t change a damn thing. There’s a great interview of Marco Rubio shutting down a panel of interviewers who were intent on trying to embarrass him (CBS I think) and his basic argument was that there isn’t a gun problem, there is a violence problem.

Bingo Dave. Recent statistics show there are 90 guns for every 100 people in the US. The next closest nation is Yemen, a nation with a lot of radical Islamists at 55 guns per 100 people. The genie is indeed out of the bottle. What needs to happen is better qualification of gun buyers in the US. It is way easier to buy an AR type gun down there than in Canada. These add ons that make the gun an automatic weapon need to be outlawed in my opinion. Semi Auto guns are good enough.

 

[snopro]

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some truth to this logic. LOL

There is some truth in that meme though Dennis. A nuke is nothing without someone to aim it, arm it and launch it. Otherwise under proper care it is pretty much a non entity in a dormant state. Just like an unloaded gun?

 

[S.W.A.T.]

There is some truth in that meme though Dennis. A nuke is nothing without someone to aim it, arm it and launch it. Otherwise under proper care it is pretty much a non entity in a dormant state. Just like an unloaded gun?

Exactly^^^^^^^^ what you said.

Except I believe in full auto

 

[the_real_wild1]

It is good he was using an AR. Could have been a lot worse with other weapons he could have used that do a lot more damage.

 

[Caper11]

It is way easier to buy an AR type gun down there than in Canada. These add ons that make the gun an automatic weapon need to be outlawed in my opinion. Semi Auto guns are good enough.

Wrong, a AR style in Canada is the same to buy, the difference is when yah get into centerfire calibers, the waiting time to take possession is longer.
A bump stock does the same thing that a finger does to the trigger on a semi automatic weapon. It does not turn a semi auto into a full automatic weapon. The sear and a disconnector is what makes the weapon semi or full auto. What puzzles me is everytime an act of violence involves a firearm the govt and the gun are to blame.

What about the car, the knife and the uhaul that were used as weapons in Edmonton.

My condolences to the victims of this act of violence in Vegas.

 

[the_real_wild1]

I wonder how many people know you can bump fire with the loop hole in your jeans? Better ban jeans too lol.

 

[S.W.A.T.]

Wrong, a AR style in Canada is the same to buy, the difference is when yah get into centerfire calibers, the waiting time to take possession is longer.
A bump stock does the same thing that a finger does to the trigger on a semi automatic weapon. It does not turn a semi auto into a full automatic weapon. The sear is what makes the weapon semi or full auto. What puzzles me is everytime an act of violence involves a firearm the govt and the gun are to blame.

What about the car, the knife and the uhaul that were used as weapons in Edmonton.

My condolences to the victims of this act of violence in Vegas.

With the exception of gun shows

 

[52weekbreak]

Well you will never remove all things that can be used as a weapon. Gotta be pretty focused to kill 50+ people and wound...what was it... 200 others. No logical reason why anyone outside the military should own a fully automatic weapon. I am not a gun enthusiast but gotta admit firing them is quite a trip. Problem is if it is handy and your neighbor really pissed you off.... US is gun crazy. Weapons sales goes up after these events. I mean what does that do? Going to bring your AK to the next country and western concert? It took a long time for anyone to figure out where the shots were coming from. Nothing will change though.

Wrong, a AR style in Canada is the same to buy, the difference is when yah get into centerfire calibers, the waiting time to take possession is longer.
A bump stock does the same thing that a finger does to the trigger on a semi automatic weapon. It does not turn a semi auto into a full automatic weapon. The sear is what makes the weapon semi or full auto. What puzzles me is everytime an act of violence involves a firearm the govt and the gun are to blame.

What about the car, the knife and the uhaul that were used as weapons in Edmonton.

My condolences to the victims of this act of violence in Vegas.

 

[snopro]

Wrong, a AR style in Canada is the same to buy, the difference is when yah get into centerfire calibers, the waiting time to take possession is longer.
A bump stock does the same thing that a finger does to the trigger on a semi automatic weapon. It does not turn a semi auto into a full automatic weapon. The sear and a disconnector is what makes the weapon semi or full auto. What puzzles me is everytime an act of violence involves a firearm the govt and the gun are to blame.

What about the car, the knife and the uhaul that were used as weapons in Edmonton.

My condolences to the victims of this act of violence in Vegas.

There is a difference in that an AR type gun in Canada is restricted. To be used at Gun Ranges only. In the US they are not restricted. They can be used for hunting or any other open area for that matter. That is a huge deterrant in Canada.

 

[the_real_wild1]

There is a difference in that an AR type gun in Canada is restricted. To be used at Gun Ranges only. In the US they are not restricted. They can be used for hunting or any other open area for that matter. That is a huge deterrant in Canada.

Depends on the state.

 

[snopro]

Depends on the state.

Yes you are right. Forgot to mention that. Thanks.

 

[the_real_wild1]

Jesse James firearms makes a side charge rifle with a wooden stock. Pretty much the same as an ar but a different charging system and a wood stock you'd find on a hunting rifle. It is legal in California whereas the ar is otherwise restricted as to who can own them. I don't know the exact restrictions they have on the ar for public use but they are similar to us I believe. I have seen a few motorcycle cops in California with ar's on the back of their bike. Though that was cool

 

[Caper11]

There is a difference in that an AR type gun in Canada is restricted. To be used at Gun Ranges only. In the US they are not restricted. They can be used for hunting or any other open area for that matter. That is a huge deterrant in Canada.

See that where your incorrect. I said the caliber makes the AR style Restricted in canada. I can buy a AR style .22 which is a non restricted gun.

So how is a AR style semi auto rifle chambered in 308 any more dangerous than a 308 semi auto hunting rifle?

The .22 caliber is used by the special forces in the military as well.

 

[S.W.A.T.]

See that where your incorrect. I said the caliber makes the AR style Restricted in canada. I can buy a AR style .22 which is a non restricted gun.

So how is a AR style semi auto rifle chambered in 308 any more dangerous than a 308 semi auto hunting rifle?

Are you confusing AR with tactical?

 

[Caper11]

Are you confusing AR with tactical?

No im not, I know the difference.

 

[S.W.A.T.]

No im not, I know the difference.

Ok please explain

 

[Caper11]

Ok please explain

If we are sticking with the AR platform the color, length, rate of twist etc, Whatever the govt/RCMP deems that model as tactical weapon, which is BS IMO. Id rather bench shoot a precision tactical gun over a looser tolerance weapon.


http://www.firearmsoutletcanada.com/rifles/restricted

http://www.firearmsoutletcanada.com/rifles/non-restricted/semi-automatic

 

[DRD]

In Canada any AR or derivative is restricted, full stop.

 

[Caper11]

In Canada any AR or derivative is restricted, full stop.

http://www.firearmsoutletcanada.com/tnw-aero-survival-rifle-asr-9mm-18-75-black.html#.WdYaSNHF2f0

This is non restricted.