Kmod now has Kmotion

[007sevens]

INITIEATE BACKPEDAL MANOUVER! You sure seem to have a strong opinion on it considering it doesnt matter to you at all.....

I'm opinionated? Haha, you gotta be the most closed minded person on this site. If it isn't BRP it just doesn't hold water with you and You feel that everybody copies Doo. I said that I think its a passing fad and I'm sticking to that. That was my answer to a question. If you want to sit on a rubber dido by all means have at er.

On the other hand technology will sit still if people don't try to better the industry. I have rode you rubber dildo suspension and I'm not sold. Shoot me if you want but it is what it is.

 

[0neoldfart]

I had a chat with Kevin at Kmod about the K-motion back in January when it was still in R&D. In a nutshell, he decided to offer it only because the market was demanding it. After going over several design changes and riding the finished product, he was comfortable that he had improved his rear skid for the better, and it looks to be even stronger then the Ice Age Pro-Motion. Don't get me wrong, if you don't want a pivoting skid, don't buy it - Kmod will continue to be available in the original design. But if you are in the market for a new skid or simply want to add the K-motion to your existing Kmod skid, it can be done. Personally, it's not for me - I purchased a Pro-motion for the backup M800 and after riding awhile with it, I prefer the standard skid (This is only MY opinion - yours may differ).

 

[Clode]

I am not one for the tilty skid, they just aren't a good all around skid in my opinion

 

[CUSO]

You mean R.E.R.?? Oh yeah BRP invented that too..

Its a gimmick, just a passing fad IMO.

I could sell you on a fancy button on your handle bars, I could claim that it gives you confidence to do things things you wouldn't normally do.

Now you laugh and say I'm an idiot but lets say that the Doo nation took it and ran with it, bragged about it till everybody had to have one. Even the people that don't know the first thing about buttons that give you confidence were bragging.

Next thing you know everybody whats a button. Button's are selling through the roof. Now I ask you wouldn't you be building your own button and trying to sell it. Even if its just a gimmick.

 

[climbmax]

You mean R.E.R.?? Oh yeah BRP invented that too..

Yamaha invented RER on a Golf Car 35 years ago

I have the Ice Age Promotion on a Viper...it works well for me. $299 USD

Cheers

 

[Rotax_Kid]

Maybe it is maybe it isn't a passing fad. It really doesn't matter to me. I really can't blame anybody for trying to make technology better. Without new moves in industry we would forever be stuck in the past. I have rode the new Doo's, I really like the way they handle and feel. I also have the same feeling for my current ride which is a heavy modified poo. Industry switched for bogey wheels years ago so why not a rubber stick in the suspension. IMO its not the end all to be all, ride what you like, bragg what you want.

It truly might be a fad, but my best guess is with so many different revisions of this, the industry in general will find a happy medium and stick to it.

I remember in the mid 90's with Polaris came out with the first OEM XTRA-10 skid. People were falling over themselves because it was slow on top and the machine sat too high..what do we need suspension for? A few years later everyone found a happy medium, pulled the skyhigh ride height down and here we are today.

It tough to argue it's doing something right for the majority out there as the sales speaks for itself. Is it the best? Perhaps not and it's likely not what we'll be on in 3-4 years again. It would be funny to see Doo move to a rigid skid and say they've found improvements much like they did with the ported track experiment.

 

[Modman]

I'm with 007 and lilduke on this one, its a useless feature IMO. 3-4 degrees? Cmon, try and measure that when sledding. I think the pro motion is worth the extra parts and complexity, since it offers 20 degrees. That being said, I've never understood the desire to want to have your track lay "down" as much as possible on the hill. When you sidehill, you want the track to cut in, not twist over and lay down. You're fighting the sled and gravity by doing that. Having built a couple tube chassis' sleds, I've always found better sled response with a stiff chassis, they just respond that much better to rider input. Hell, I thought that's exactly why they have been stiffening up the sleds with pyramid structures the last 5 yrs. So why would you engineer flex back in?

This has always seemed like its just compensation for folks who can't ride, or maybe newbies that can't seem to get their sled tipped over initially, something to give them a little helping start (less rider input). Beyond that, I'm not sure what advantage people think they are getting with this on the hill. If you cant get any new sled to fall over on its side, or hold its edge without something like T-motion, I seriously gotta question your sledding ability.

 

[LBZ]

Would you need it on a pro? No. Does it work well on a doo? When compared to how a 12 summit handles without it I have to say yes. Why? Completely different frame geometry, chassis design and cg between the doo and poo. It helps initiate a roll on the fat track doo chassis.
Not sure why everyone has to jump all over doo cuz they built it to work with their chassis. Who cares? If someone feels it would work well on a Nytro for instance so builds aftermarket for this sled, who cares.

 

[Absledder]

It would be funny to see Doo move to a rigid skid and say they've found improvements much like they did with the ported track experiment.

another example is the failed air ride suspensions on the quads and SXS. Personally I'm neutral on the T-motion, whether other people like it or not I really dont care, but I'm sure there are examples of bad inventions/improvements from all companies so I don't understand why some people think that every invention by "X" company is automatically the best thing in the world.

 

[Joholio]

At the end of the day, Kmod now has Kmotion. Fact

 

[oler1234]

does t-motion or any motion ski work... YES!!! Last time I checked you could pull a skidoo over on concrete or snow with one hand. we all seen the promo videos skidoo put out 2013 with one arm pull overs not even standing on the machine. You cant do that with a rigid style suspension at all, it takes quit a bit more effort to pull it over. 4degrees is enough... 10 is ridiculous. The track ply, durometer, and tension all play part in how much flex you will get out of your motion suspension. I have a feeling in those 10 degrees you most likely on getting 5-6 tops. The more the suspension flexs the more chance that paddles will rub in the tunnel, hence why ski doo slightly off set there paddles on the 3" tracks. I know right now with my old style camo (full width lugs) it does rub in certain situations. Gimmick or a fad, I think not.

 

[deaner]

So have we figured out whether the Tmotion is good, or a gimmick for little sissy girls yet? Just to be safe I took mine off. Im a big strong man.

 

[LBZ]

does t-motion or any motion ski work... YES!!! Last time I checked you could pull a skidoo over on concrete or snow with one hand. we all seen the promo videos skidoo put out 2013 with one arm pull overs not even standing on the machine. You cant do that with a rigid style suspension at all, it takes quit a bit more effort to pull it over....................

I know the new Poo is similar in this respect to ease of laying it over but that goes back to what I said before-the different cg, narrower track, and different frame/skid geometry work well enough together that it's not needed. It all comes down to the design of the machine. If Doo needs it to work with their design, or anyone else, who cares. Bottom line is it isn't a gimmick- it works well on the Doo and apparently there are plenty of other sleds it compliments including pre XM Summits for instance.

 

[oler1234]

So have we figured out whether the Tmotion is good, or a gimmick for little sissy girls yet? Just to be safe I took mine off. Im a big strong man.

Didnt your our old man teach you... Work smarter not harder... That turbo sled never sheded any pounds when it was added.

 

[Vipertonytro]

I really don't understand some of you guys. I mean real I love women with a great set of bolt on tits! Just cause some of you don't know how to ride them doesn't mean they are a bad invention! Just saying...

 

[Dannyturbo]

T-motion is a gimmick?
to those who are running coupled skids, take the opinions from guys running stock skids as a grain of salt. my next coupled skid will be having some kind of motion...

 

[barefooter]

I'm with 007 and lilduke on this one, its a useless feature IMO. 3-4 degrees? Cmon, try and measure that when sledding. I think the pro motion is worth the extra parts and complexity, since it offers 20 degrees. That being said, I've never understood the desire to want to have your track lay "down" as much as possible on the hill. When you sidehill, you want the track to cut in, not twist over and lay down. You're fighting the sled and gravity by doing that. Having built a couple tube chassis' sleds, I've always found better sled response with a stiff chassis, they just respond that much better to rider input. Hell, I thought that's exactly why they have been stiffening up the sleds with pyramid structures the last 5 yrs. So why would you engineer flex back in?

This has always seemed like its just compensation for folks who can't ride, or maybe newbies that can't seem to get their sled tipped over initially, something to give them a little helping start (less rider input). Beyond that, I'm not sure what advantage people think they are getting with this on the hill. If you cant get any new sled to fall over on its side, or hold its edge without something like T-motion, I seriously gotta question your sledding ability.

Bejesus. That is a tad close minded now, isn't it? I have the Pro Motion on my 15 Pro. I would like to think after 15 years of mountain riding and quite a few trips to Burandt's to get my azz kicked I would have learned something. As was stated above, working smarter and not harder is the key when you are getting close to 50. To let the truth be known, there are a lot of guys that have tried to follow me through the trees are a little shocked when I take off my helmet and there is salt and pepper hair.

There is not enough enough tilt in any of these devices that your track is going to "lay down" on the hill. Once you reach the limit of mechanical motion the track maintains the same attitude to the snow than a skid without. The sled itself may "slightly" closer to the uphill side but this is undetectable.

Any decent "coach\teacher\etc" of technical riding style is going to first impress upon you that prior to hitting the throttle, that sled is on edge. Going up, going down, going cross face. Do that a 100 times a day, and any little advantage you can gain means being able to ride less tired and and with less brain fade.

 

[Modman]

Bejesus. That is a tad close minded now, isn't it? I have the Pro Motion on my 15 Pro. I would like to think after 15 years of mountain riding and quite a few trips to Burandt's to get my azz kicked I would have learned something. As was stated above, working smarter and not harder is the key when you are getting close to 50. To let the truth be known, there are a lot of guys that have tried to follow me through the trees are a little shocked when I take off my helmet and there is salt and pepper hair.

There is not enough enough tilt in any of these devices that your track is going to "lay down" on the hill. Once you reach the limit of mechanical motion the track maintains the same attitude to the snow than a skid without. The sled itself may "slightly" closer to the uphill side but this is undetectable.

Any decent "coach\teacher\etc" of technical riding style is going to first impress upon you that prior to hitting the throttle, that sled is on edge. Going up, going down, going cross face. Do that a 100 times a day, and any little advantage you can gain means being able to ride less tired and and with less brain fade.

Uh oh, looks like I offended someone...........

Attached is a picture just to show you what 4 degrees looks like at the track of your sled. yes, its that sliver of light on the let side... I also got 4 degrees of tilt on my sled by putting one leg on the running board and measuring the tunnel angle, not even standing on the sled, just putting one foot on the running board.

Here, this kid can show you how its done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VJupDKWtXk

Call me close minded, don't really give a fawk. but really, c'mon if a 10 yr kid can get a 15 yr old sled up on edge ON FLAT GROUND, I gotta ask you if you how significant you think 4 degrees is going to be on a moving snowmobile, with a moving track rotating at anywhere from 20-60 km/hr, on variable angle terrain.

 

[barefooter]

Actually I did not say it made any difference when the sled was in motion. Only said it made a difference pulling the sled on edge when stopped.

Offended? Hardly

 

[Dannyturbo]

Call me close minded, don't really give a fawk. but really, c'mon if a 10 yr kid can get a 15 yr old sled up on edge ON FLAT GROUND, I gotta ask you if you how significant you think 4 degrees is going to be on a moving snowmobile, with a moving track rotating at anywhere from 20-60 km/hr, on variable angle terrain.

try getting a sled on edge when stopped perpendicular on a hill, with a coupled skid with a high amount of ski pressure, it takes quite a bit of effort... T-Motion helps.