Hwy Closure

[team dirt]

I think the interstates are made with some sort of concrete also. They are designed to be able to move the military anywhere needed around the country.

 

[lilduke]

I say quit fawking around and 4 lanes the Trans Canada already. If the government quit pissing away OUR money they'd have PLENTY for infrastructure.

That would put a ton of people to work at the same time. But when you fly everywhere in private jets, who gives a fawk about the roads I guess

 

[AxysAssault]

Agreed

 

[adamg]

It would also be good work for immigrants.

 

[Caper11]

How does one propose a 4 lane route through the Rockies when it's taking so long to upgrade the highway just before golden.


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[S.W.A.T.]

How long it is taking to build the Anthony Henday. 2000-???????

 

[Caper11]

How long it is taking to build the Anthony Henday. 2000-???????

Exactly! Building a four lane through the Rockies would be impossible, especially with all of the provincial parks in them.


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[S.W.A.T.]

Exactly! Building a four lane through the Rockies would be impossible, especially with all of the provincial parks in them.


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But they rebuilt the sea to sky from Vancouver to whistler in 8 months. Hmmmm

 

[assaultn]

mmmmmmmm done but definately took way too long. It was amazing to see how fast work could actually get done in the last two weeks. The consordium that had the contract for building the Henday had a completion date of October 1st and if not opened by then would be reduced payment each day it remained incomplete. Ive never seen iron moving like the way it was in the last week. Was a clear comparison to see just how these jobs are drug out and cash is pissed away.

How long it is taking to build the Anthony Henday. 2000-???????

 

[Caper11]

But they rebuilt the sea to sky from Vancouver to whistler in 8 months. Hmmmm

Yes they did and I said through Rockies.
That's not the transcanada, twining the north and south route would not happen due to the cost and the logistics of it won't make it happen.


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[pano-dude]

But they rebuilt the sea to sky from Vancouver to whistler in 8 months. Hmmmm

It took longer than 8 months. They are twinning the trans. Every bridge from canmore to sicamous has crews on them. Rogers pass is getting another couple lanes. Slow yes.

 

[S.W.A.T.]

Still faster then the henday

 

[Joholio]

Waited appx 30 minutes both ways this morning could be worse

 

[maierch]

Waited appx 30 minutes both ways this morning could be worse

They're supposed to be finishing up for winter in the next few days. The stoppages are for when they're 'throwing' rocks down the cliffs to the rock trucks. They have to stop traffic in case one bounces in to the driving lanes. Once they finish up for the season I imagine it will be reduced speed for the winter with no stoppages.

 

[Cdnfireman]

Exactly! Building a four lane through the Rockies would be impossible, especially with all of the provincial parks in them.


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There's the good old Canadian attitude!! It's tough so it's gotta be impossible! So tough that the Americans have only crossed the mountains from the Great Plains to the coast in how many, a dozen places??? Across mountain ranges twice as wide as the Canadian Rockies.

Gimme me a break!! The only reason Canada hasn't built a proper road and rail network to the pacific is because it doesn't directly benefit Ontario and Quebec. Think back to the old crow rate days. Grain moved west had way more shipping costs than the grain moved twice the distance to Thunder Bay. For decades the railways placed tariffs on manufactured goods moving east.
The federal government has never put the money into western infrastructure that the put into the east. It took until the 1990's for Canada to build the spiral tunnel past the Rogers pass so that freight could move without long delays. When they built the cokuhalla (spelling?) highway, it was a toll road and private public partnership because the Feds wouldn't pony up. Even then it only goes halfway across BC.

There's a federal institutional bias against western Canadian development and prosperity. Look at the equalization payment bias written into the constitution so that a larger share of tax money is pulled from western Canada. It's also the reason that there will never be a pipeline built from western Canada to the east coast unless there's huge tariffs charged that benefit Ontario and Quebec, so much so that it will be unprofitable for anybody. Look at the aditude of Denis coderre of Montreal and the rest of the Quebec mayors. There's no direct benefit to them, so therefore it can't be built, and they challenge Trudeau to cancel it outright.

 

[Caper11]

There's the good old Canadian attitude!! It's tough so it's gotta be impossible! So tough that the Americans have only crossed the mountains from the Great Plains to the coast in how many, a dozen places??? Across mountain ranges twice as wide as the Canadian Rockies.

Gimme me a break!! The only reason Canada hasn't built a proper road and rail network to the pacific is because it doesn't directly benefit Ontario and Quebec. Think back to the old crow rate days. Grain moved west had way more shipping costs than the grain moved twice the distance to Thunder Bay. For decades the railways placed tariffs on manufactured goods moving east.
The federal government has never put the money into western infrastructure that the put into the east. It took until the 1990's for Canada to build the spiral tunnel past the Rogers pass so that freight could move without long delays. When they built the cokuhalla (spelling?) highway, it was a toll road and private public partnership because the Feds wouldn't pony up. Even then it only goes halfway across BC.

There's a federal institutional bias against western Canadian development and prosperity. Look at the equalization payment bias written into the constitution so that a larger share of tax money is pulled from western Canada. It's also the reason that there will never be a pipeline built from western Canada to the east coast unless there's huge tariffs charged that benefit Ontario and Quebec, so much so that it will be unprofitable for anybody. Look at the aditude of Denis coderre of Montreal and the rest of the Quebec mayors. There's no direct benefit to them, so therefore it can't be built, and they challenge Trudeau to cancel it outright.

No I'm a realist! Your post said 4 lane the TCH. I take it you've never traveled through the American Rockies to compare the mountain ranges.
Everything is doable with enough money and the federal govt will not pony up the cash to help build it.

I guess you don't travel through those regions enough and look at the landscape the highway follows the canyon and see the logistics of building a 4 lane. I guess they could put concrete blocks down the center line and call it a 4 lane to minimize the foot print.
So to widen the Northern and southern routes to make a 4lane things would have to be dismantled would that happen in a provincial park? Like jasper and rogers pass? Nope at least not in my lifetime.
Look at how long it took the 10mile hill project to complete and the widening of the pass into golden and as of spring of 2015 it was still incomplete.

Jeeze kinder Morgan wants to twin a pipeline and that's buried and the environmentalists are up in arms, build a 4 lane that will cut into mountainsides through a park??? lol like I said I'm a realist.




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[rzrgade]

There's the good old Canadian attitude!! It's tough so it's gotta be impossible! So tough that the Americans have only crossed the mountains from the Great Plains to the coast in how many, a dozen places??? Across mountain ranges twice as wide as the Canadian Rockies.

Gimme me a break!! The only reason Canada hasn't built a proper road and rail network to the pacific is because it doesn't directly benefit Ontario and Quebec. Think back to the old crow rate days. Grain moved west had way more shipping costs than the grain moved twice the distance to Thunder Bay. For decades the railways placed tariffs on manufactured goods moving east.
The federal government has never put the money into western infrastructure that the put into the east. It took until the 1990's for Canada to build the spiral tunnel past the Rogers pass so that freight could move without long delays. When they built the cokuhalla (spelling?) highway, it was a toll road and private public partnership because the Feds wouldn't pony up. Even then it only goes halfway across BC.

There's a federal institutional bias against western Canadian development and prosperity. Look at the equalization payment bias written into the constitution so that a larger share of tax money is pulled from western Canada. It's also the reason that there will never be a pipeline built from western Canada to the east coast unless there's huge tariffs charged that benefit Ontario and Quebec, so much so that it will be unprofitable for anybody. Look at the aditude of Denis coderre of Montreal and the rest of the Quebec mayors. There's no direct benefit to them, so therefore it can't be built, and they challenge Trudeau to cancel it outright.

Truth...


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[takethebounce]

No I'm a realist! Your post said 4 lane the TCH. I take it you've never traveled through the American Rockies to compare the mountain ranges.
Everything is doable with enough money and the federal govt will not pony up the cash to help build it.

I guess you don't travel through those regions enough and look at the landscape the highway follows the canyon and see the logistics of building a 4 lane. I guess they could put concrete blocks down the center line and call it a 4 lane to minimize the foot print.
So to widen the Northern and southern routes to make a 4lane things would have to be dismantled would that happen in a provincial park? Like jasper and rogers pass? Nope at least not in my lifetime.
Look at how long it took the 10mile hill project to complete and the widening of the pass into golden and as of spring of 2015 it was still incomplete.

Jeeze kinder Morgan wants to twin a pipeline and that's buried and the environmentalists are up in arms, build a 4 lane that will cut into mountainsides through a park??? lol like I said I'm a realist.


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Jasper is a National Park. Rogers Pass is in a National Park (Glacier). Banff is a National Park, which its portion of TransCanada used to be 2 lane until as recent as two years ago and now is 4 lane right through to Yoho.

From Vancouver to Calgary I cannot think of one Provincial Park that the TransCanada Highway goes through. If it does, I am not sure how that matters? The TCH will be 4 lanes from Calgary to Vancouver and most likely will be in your natural expected life time. Any remaining 2 lane has plans in place.

As far as travelling goes, I have traveled the "American" Rockies. I lived in Colorado. You want to talk about infrastructure look up the Eisenhower Tunnel. Pretty impressive considering the American rockies are not all too different from ours.

Here is just one of the development plans to help you understand.

 

[S.W.A.T.]

Jasper is a National Park. Rogers Pass is in a National Park (Glacier). Banff is a National Park, which its portion of TransCanada used to be 2 lane until as recent as two years ago and now is 4 lane right through to Yoho.

From Vancouver to Calgary I cannot think of one Provincial Park that the TransCanada Highway goes through. If it does, I am not sure how that matters? The TCH will be 4 lanes from Calgary to Vancouver and most likely will be in your natural expected life time. Any remaining 2 lane has plans in place.

As far as travelling goes, I have traveled the "American" Rockies. I lived in Colorado. You want to talk about infrastructure look up the Eisenhower Tunnel. Pretty impressive considering the American rockies are not all too different from ours.

Here is just one of the development plans to help you understand.

Pretty sure your right. It's a major corridor with lots of traffic, probably see 4 lanes from Calgary to van via kelowna revi golden Banff etc in the near future. Takes time though but have seen lots of improving over the last 10 years, remember the old canyon rd into golden..... Watch for goats

 

[pano-dude]

Nothing is impossible, i drove a 4 lane tunnel in Switzerland that was around 30km long. Why go over when you can go through...