Dan Treadway on Polaris

[maxwell]

Cuz they don't sponser "meadow" riders...?????? lol

That too!

Hey long time no talk welcome back lol

 

[deaner]

I wonder if their move towards Rasmussen and away from Treadway is an effort to have sponsored riders that are doing the type of maneuvers that thier target market can look at and say "hey.....I can probably do that" Thats the strength of guys like Rasmussen and Burandt. You can watch thier videos and totally relate to what they are doing. Treadway is an amazing rider, but how many people can really identify with his riding style? I dont intend to huck myself off any massive drops any time soon. Technical tight tree riding? Heck yeah.....sign me up.

But at the end of the day for me the opinions that matter are from guys who can ride decent AND pay for their own sleds. The whole sponsorship thing really annoys me. Im tired of "sponsored" riders promoting products that really dont work just so they can keep getting free stuff, or kickbacks, or whatever they get. If you are going to advocate that someone spends their hard earned money on something, you better be willing to spend your OWN money on it.

 

[takethebounce]

I wonder if their move towards Rasmussen and away from Treadway is an effort to have sponsored riders that are doing the type of maneuvers that thier target market can look at and say "hey.....I can probably do that" Thats the strength of guys like Rasmussen and Burandt. You can watch thier videos and totally relate to what they are doing. Treadway is an amazing rider, but how many people can really identify with his riding style? I dont intend to huck myself off any massive drops any time soon. Technical tight tree riding? Heck yeah.....sign me up.

But at the end of the day for me the opinions that matter are from guys who can ride decent AND pay for their own sleds. The whole sponsorship thing really annoys me. Im tired of "sponsored" riders promoting products that really dont work just so they can keep getting free stuff, or kickbacks, or whatever they get. If you are going to advocate that someone spends their hard earned money on something, you better be willing to spend your OWN money on it.

I call a little BS there. If Maxwell didn't ride meadows and cut blocks and Polaris said we will give you a New Pro to ride for the next two seasons and pay for your parts, but you can only ride the Pro and change the decal on your trailer, I think you would see him ride a new Pro.

Well SM? Would you ride a free sled if it wasn't a Doo?


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[cs5]

It's not vertical at all. It has a riser positioned flat and further back from the post. Anyone can do that.

I run a post forward kit and then run a 2" riser because running a tall riser pushes you off the sled in off camber situations. All he has done is move himself back 2".

The post is still the same. Not everyone is going to like a setup like Brett has on the XM. Keep in mind his height. I live watching guys with their ape hanger 11" risers trying to ride technical terrain. Sure some guys can do it, but it could be done with a lot less effort.

A Poo vs Doo thread once again...if someone likes to ride a Pro, go for it. They do some things better than a Doo. For people who prefer the Doo and like the changes or what Poo riders call gimmicks so be it, the changes work and they make the sled rideable with less effort.

Some guys can jump on anything and ride it well. Some are better off sticking to the meadows.

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Bret Rasmussen BoonDocker Turbo Ski-Doo XM - YouTube

Start at the 40 second mark and listen close, unless you built his mod sled I am going with HIS words not yours.

 

[deaner]

I call a little BS there. If Maxwell didn't ride meadows and cut blocks and Polaris said we will give you a New Pro to ride for the next two seasons and pay for your parts, but you can only ride the Pro and change the decal on your trailer, I think you would see him ride a new Pro.

Well SM? Would you ride a free sled if it wasn't a Doo?


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Thats not really a fair example though. Of course we would all run out and by pros if Maxwell said they were the best. Why do you think Im on a doo??

 

[takethebounce]

Bret Rasmussen BoonDocker Turbo Ski-Doo XM - YouTube

Start at the 40 second mark and listen close, unless you built his mod sled I am going with HIS words not yours.

Holy cry much...what I should say is, its nothing like a Polaris. A Doo uses a single post design that runs straight, not vertical. Even in the post forward position it is not vertical.

He is trying to achieve a vertical feel. Or if you need to live by every single word he says, near vertical. What you get with that setup is a sweeping motion. Again as I said, there are going to be people who do not like that setup he is riding.

If you want to believe the sled he is riding has a vertical steering post then by all means believe what you will.


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[maxwell]

Must have moved it behind the engine!

 

[Bnorth]

As an interesting sidenote on KJ's clapped together mod M-series he converted it to a horizontal post, so there.

 

[maxwell]

As an interesting sidenote on KJ's clapped together mod M-series he converted it to a horizontal post, so there.

Meaning what it steers like a doo or a cat? All this horizontal vertical has got folks confused

 

[Bnorth]

Meaning what it steers like a doo or a cat? All this horizontal vertical has got folks confused

Like a doo.

 

[maxwell]

Like a doo.

Interesting wonder how he did that

 

[cs5]

Holy cry much...what I should say is, its nothing like a Polaris. A Doo uses a single post design that runs straight, not vertical. Even in the post forward position it is not vertical.

He is trying to achieve a vertical feel. Or if you need to live by every single word he says, near vertical. What you get with that setup is a sweeping motion. Again as I said, there are going to be people who do not like that setup he is riding.

If you want to believe the sled he is riding has a vertical steering post then by all means believe what you will.


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I BELIEVE the sled he is riding has a MODIFIED steering post........ THEREFORE the statement that he will be a much better rider BECAUSE of the steering on the XM is a false statement because his sled does NOT have the same steering as the factory ones....... GOT IT? take the time to read the posts and you will see why I am making the statement. You take the time to post like you know what you are talking about so please tell me how Maxwells statement makes any sense at all............I quote "wait until the footage comes out from rasmussen this season. he will be a superior rider to even his past years with a proper mountain steering system" On second thought I agree it will be proper because he changed it LMAO.

 

[maxwell]

I BELIEVE the sled he is riding has a MODIFIED steering post........ THEREFORE the statement that he will be a much better rider BECAUSE of the steering on the XM is a false statement because his sled does NOT have the same steering as the factory ones....... GOT IT? take the time to read the posts and you will see why I am making the statement. You take the time to post like you know what you are talking about so please tell me how Maxwells statement makes any sense at all............I quote "wait until the footage comes out from rasmussen this season. he will be a superior rider to even his past years with a proper mountain steering system" On second thought I agree it will be proper because he changed it LMAO.

I don't think bounce was agreeing with my post don't take it out on him lmfao

 

[takethebounce]

I don't think bounce was agreeing with my post don't take it out on him lmfao

I don't know, apparently I know nothing of ski-doo...but if I watch a video of someone talking about a riser set up I will be all knowing. :thumbup:

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[LennyR]

there is a fundamental issue with the arctic cat and polaris steering system. it is NOT a good mountain setup and it is even a poor trail setup.

you say when you counter steer it pulls you the wrong way? perhaps it feels wrong because that is all you have spent time on.

nest time your on the mountain point your sled down a relatively steep hill. then turn it sideways so it is not on edge but flat on the hill. now counter steer and try to pull the sled up on edge.

VERY VERY HARD. why? because your body is WAAAY to far forward trying to reach the opposite side of the bars. VERY inefficient use of body movement. with a skidoo type steering setup when you crank the bars the one side dips and the other side raises. now that you have a raised oposing side handlebar it allows you to get your body into a better position to make the transition to sidehill. you can argue all you want but you are almost falling off the other side of the sled trying to do this on a flat steering machine. not to mention trying to turnaround quickly on even a relatively flat surface you have the handlebars in your gut? wtf is that about? again you cant get your body off the sled enough to make a quick turn as your leaning way to far to the other side to keep your hand on the furthest bar. now speaking about technical lines through the trees and whatnot moving side to side. you WILL be turning just as you do on a trail and hoping side to side and using your body to make the maneuvers. when you want to go left you turn the bars to the left going uphhill and the furthest bar pulls you back over the sled?

terrible design. wait until the footage comes out from rasmussen this season. he will be a superior rider to even his past years with a proper mountain steering system.

boondocking carving side to side is no problem on these flat steering sleds as all your doing is moving your body side to side. theres MANY times during the schooled videos you can see burandt struggling with that steering system. laugh all you want but watch carefully. yes pro riders can make it work obviously they do and will continue too. and yes guys will say its terrible but once your used to it you quiclly realize its the best system for technical riding.

i will try and draw a pretty picture one day because its very hard to explain LOL

Hey bounce, you dont need to watch a video, all any of us needs to know is above, its all covered and explained, just read it. One size fits all. LMAO.

 

[cs5]

I don't know, apparently I know nothing of ski-doo...but if I watch a video of someone talking about a riser set up I will be all knowing. :thumbup:

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I don't know about you but I can read.......Rasmussen, who joined Ski-Doo after 30 years with Arctic Cat, has already made a few modifications to this Summit XM. Most notably, the steering post has been moved forward, giving it even more of a vertical angle. To offset the relocated post, Rasmussen replaced the handlebar riser block with a 2-inch riser that is positioned horizontally. And titanium RCS springs on the front shocks so far.

Riser set up my ars.

 

[Bnorth]

I don't know about you but I can read.......Rasmussen, who joined Ski-Doo after 30 years with Arctic Cat, has already made a few modifications to this Summit XM. Most notably, the steering post has been moved forward, giving it even more of a vertical angle. To offset the relocated post, Rasmussen replaced the handlebar riser block with a 2-inch riser that is positioned horizontally. And titanium RCS springs on the front shocks so far.

Riser set up my ars.

I imagine you've looked under the hood of an XP or XM there is no way it could be a true vertical post and still be ridable, the post would come through the headlights.

 

[deaner]

Who cares about how some old dude likes his sled set up?? Hes a good rider, but the vertical post thing is just his opinion. Hes probably been riding vertical steering post sleds for the last 65 years so he's just used to it. Doesnt make it better.

He may prefer telegraphs to cell phones or internet. Does that mean everyone should go out and buy a telegraph machine?

 

[LID]

Are telegraph machines more "flickable"?

 

[takethebounce]

I don't know about you but I can read.......Rasmussen, who joined Ski-Doo after 30 years with Arctic Cat, has already made a few modifications to this Summit XM. Most notably, the steering post has been moved forward, giving it even more of a vertical angle. To offset the relocated post, Rasmussen replaced the handlebar riser block with a 2-inch riser that is positioned horizontally. And titanium RCS springs on the front shocks so far.

Riser set up my ars.

So is his post in the forward position of the XM or is it even further forward?

I will expect you do not have the answer to that as you possibly did not know there are two positions to mount the post on the XM. One stock, one further forward. Oh right, you may have read about it.


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