Conjuring creek is private land not crown land

[LandOwner]

I found this a good link in support both of what lilduke is saying:

Public access to waterways on private property – The Law - The Western Producer

Our fences near around the creek are inspected for this very purpose and have been inspected by Fish & Wildlife. All pass without altering the "waterway" - all have been okay-ed. So please lilduke, don't take an entire post about trespassing and vandalism as somehow okay for you to come here and do the same. If you do, I promise to see that you are charged to the fullest extent of the law. I hope you have learned something in turn from this exchange.

 

[Stompin Tom]

Agree, 100%. You now know you have one of your own members, lilduke, who is ruining for others.

we dont have one member ruining it for others, we have many members ruining it. The sad part is many of them dont realize how much of a pain in the a$$ they are, one quick trip through, nobody will be none the wiser. But for the land owner that one trip turns int 3 to 5 to 10 to 30 and soon everyone thinks its a proper path and OK to use. Soon gates are taken down, fences cut, new water channels eroding property, garbage, beer cans, general chaos.

 

[Trashy]

Let's put an end to the personal attacks, in this thread. I liked how it started, but the petty bantering can end now.

Thanks

 

[LandOwner]

we dont have one member ruining it for others, we have many members ruining it. The sad part is many of them dont realize how much of a pain in the a$$ they are, one quick trip through, nobody will be none the wiser. But for the land owner that one trip turns int 3 to 5 to 10 to 30 and soon everyone thinks its a proper path and OK to use. Soon gates are taken down, fences cut, new water channels eroding property, garbage, beer cans, general chaos.

Well said, thanks.

 

[johnnytrail]

People should not trespass . PERIOD

having said that if someone trespasses on my land I dont whine about it on a public forum - or single out a particular user group . I take action and it sounds like landowner has let the trespass situation get out of control and now is having a tough time .

No trespassing signs work very well , they stop 95% of problems from my experience . many landowners ( maybe not in this case ) do a very poor job of signing their land and like to complain when someone trespasses instead.

I am surprised that a landowner can run a fence across a creek ( crown land )

seems this would be very dangerous to people using the crown land responsibly , IE snowmobile in winter ?

 

[Stompin Tom]

People should not trespass . PERIOD

having said that if someone trespasses on my land I dont whine about it on a public forum - or single out a particular user group . I take action and it sounds like landowner has let the trespass situation get out of control and now is having a tough time .

No trespassing signs work very well , they stop 95% of problems from my experience . many landowners ( maybe not in this case ) do a very poor job of signing their land and like to complain when someone trespasses instead.

I am surprised that a landowner can run a fence across a creek ( crown land )

seems this would be very dangerous to people using the crown land responsibly , IE snowmobile in winter ?

if you have a creek which is crossing farmland, how do you fence it off without crossing the creek?

 

[johnnytrail]

If I own land On both sides of a road can I run a fence across the road ?

why does the land owner need to run fence across creek ? cant fence be stopped at high water mark or edge of creek ?

 

[LandOwner]

People should not trespass . PERIOD

having said that if someone trespasses on my land I dont whine about it on a public forum - or single out a particular user group . I take action and it sounds like landowner has let the trespass situation get out of control and now is having a tough time .

No trespassing signs work very well , they stop 95% of problems from my experience . many landowners ( maybe not in this case ) do a very poor job of signing their land and like to complain when someone trespasses instead.

I am surprised that a landowner can run a fence across a creek ( crown land )

seems this would be very dangerous to people using the crown land responsibly , IE snowmobile in winter ?

I hear you. I've been dealing with this for years without much success. I already stated how many signs I've lost and how I continue to replace them. To "whine", as you have put it, is more like swallowing my pride to come on sites like this. It is about creating more awareness (and I hate that word ) so people know where this is and how it is not okay. I would rather not be on here posting about my experiences but I feel I have to. I'm just taking all additional steps, including the ones you have mentioned, as well as this and much more.

 

[Stompin Tom]

roads dont meander, creeks do. Have you ever had cattle, farm animals, a farm? What do you define as a creek? Then what do you define as a navigable waterway? Animals are allowed to drink from a creek, you fence off every creek, how do you water your animals?

 

[johnnytrail]

AH sorry i missed your part about signs lost . Its a pain I know from experience .

also from my experience most of the culprits were actually " locals" who lived nearby . A few well placed trail cams helped me locate them and advise them they were trespassing

 

[tex78]

I found this a good link in support both of what lilduke is saying:

Public access to waterways on private property – The Law - The Western Producer

Our fences near around the creek are inspected for this very purpose and have been inspected by Fish & Wildlife. All pass without altering the "waterway" - all have been okay-ed. So please lilduke, don't take an entire post about trespassing and vandalism as somehow okay for you to come here and do the same. If you do, I promise to see that you are charged to the fullest extent of the law. I hope you have learned something in turn from this exchange.

I hope to hell your not a guy that cross fences over a creek from one side to the other, cause if you are your worse than the gun blowing, atv creek riding, private land riding people

They will not kill people doing this, but you will with fences across creeks




I can tell you from experience, not a good deal to do

 

[LandOwner]

If I own land On both sides of a road can I run a fence across the road ?

why does the land owner need to run fence across creek ? cant fence be stopped at high water mark or edge of creek ?

I would be fine to do that and it makes sense to me - fencing along the creek. I can't say the same for all my neighbors but I'm good for that. Doesn't stop the quaders though. So to clarify, the fences that are cut are the ones no where near the creek that border our land. Also to clarify, we are putting a movable gate across the creek and not a fence. This way it can be opened or moved when needed. Including for those that are responsible users. I wouldn't allow that now but when this problem is done I would for sure consider it. Given a key to for those to open it that ask and that I trust. Seems like the perfect solution to me.

 

[LandOwner]

I hope to hell your not a guy that cross fences over a creek from one side to the other, cause if you are your worse than the gun blowing, atv creek riding, private land riding people

They will not kill people doing this, but you will with fences across creeks




I can tell you from experience, not a good deal to do

Agreed, as per my last post it is removable gates that are going up and not say a barbed wire fences. Well signed and well ahead of arrival. This has gotten the approval from the county and Fish and Wildlife. It solves a whole lot of problems and I hope I get a chance to work with OHV users the "right' way - with permission and respect.

 

[johnnytrail]

roads dont meander, creeks do. Have you ever had cattle, farm animals, a farm? What do you define as a creek? Then what do you define as a navigable waterway? Animals are allowed to drink from a creek, you fence off every creek, how do you water your animals?

depends on your definition of meander , yes I have a lot of farming experience . If I can drive my snowmobile up it or take a canoe down it its a navigable waterway .
I have also seen many watershed destroyed by cattle . we are getting very off track here and no idea if this case is a cattle farmer but if one is Truly worried about protecting the creek they should be fencing as to keep the cattle away from the creek as much as possible . seems like letting cattle have free range over a creek just to get water is similar to letting someone run their atv up and down a creek just because its crown land ?

also I have encountered many fences across creeks with no attempt to mark them . they should have reflectors/ flags on them at a minimum and a way to open/close them without damage if they are crossing navigable waterways

 

[LandOwner]

they should have reflectors/ flags on them at a minimum and a way to open/close them without damage if they are crossing navigable waterways

Great suggestion! I have several rolls of the industrial reflective tape and will add that to our plans.

For me, I run no cattle in the creek and never will. Our grandfathers did but as my wife has said so many times so well "Cows, what they don't break up (fences) they **** on the rest..."

 

[Sledderglen]

Many members here understand your issue. Some just want to stir the pot. Things would be different if they were in your shoes. I really hope that there is a solution for the problem soon so you can get your land back to the way it was many years ago. Like mentioned I bet many of the unauthorized users are somewhat locals that have used it for years. L:ike I said on the Facebook site. Go follow them home and talk to them or their parents about the issues your having.

Sure hope something works for you. Its been brought up here and word is getting out.

 

[007sevens]

Very frustrating thing for a farmer or land owner when people trespass. For me I don't worry to much about sleds as they can't damage too much in the winter. Summer however you better not let me catch you. Around here we don't have creeks to contend with but large bodies of water are around, and I'm hear to tell you I own the land up to the waters edge no matter where the edge is that year.

 

[LandOwner]

Many members here understand your issue. Some just want to stir the pot. Things would be different if they were in your shoes. I really hope that there is a solution for the problem soon so you can get your land back to the way it was many years ago. Like mentioned I bet many of the unauthorized users are somewhat locals that have used it for years. L:ike I said on the Facebook site. Go follow them home and talk to them or their parents about the issues your having.

Sure hope something works for you. Its been brought up here and word is getting out.

Thanks! I'll let the authorities follow them. Too bad the parents themselves are the problem too - people in their teems, 20s and all the way up to 60s have been caught. Average age of people I confront is 30 something - numbering in the hundreds. Just thought it was worth a call out that is not just young people that are the problem.

 

[Sledderglen]

Thanks! I'll let the authorities follow them. Too bad the parents themselves are the problem too - people in their teems, 20s and all the way up to 60s have been caught. Average age of people I confront is 30 something - numbering in the hundreds. Just thought it was worth a call out that is not just young people that are the problem.

Wish I could help more. Gave you all my ideas and you have heard from some good guys and some that push the issue no matter what. Some guys don't it I guess. You don't need the abuse you just want your land back. Good luck

 

[whoDEANie]

Wow Mr. Landowner, I see how frustrated you are and how well you are managing to stay composed. We've had enraged property owners on here before who do themselves no favors - name calling, issuing threats, etc.. Even though I personally try to be as respectful as possible, your posts have educated me a little as to the issues some landowners face and why many of them are so angry. I'm sure you have reached a few others as well. ...a small step, but a step none the less.