jaredszakacs
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I thought that was how they measured them take a torch chop it in half then times it by 2 is that not correct? lol
after riding the 2013...thoughts
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Agreed. Claimed dry weights has always been a bit of a marketing crapshot. Anyone remember the Mach 1 (We called them the Mach Ton)? I don't even think they listed a dry weight for some of those years...
LennyR
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Atta boy, ignore the facts and believe whatever keeps your lights blinking. Your blinders are soon gonna be so big you won't even be able to see your Doo, hefty as it is. LOL.
etecheaven
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I believe that that the new pro will be 417lbs, i mean its all over their website. I think polaris will look pretty stupid caught in a lie like that since is so obviously how they plan to sell there new sled, oh and the "flickable" thing as well.
As much as i hope polaris fails just so i can rub it in, its would be bad for the sport if the new pro did fold as easy as we think it will. The better the competition does the better doo will perform to stay on top therefor pushing the sport futher ahead.
Go Polaris Go.....yuck
As much as i hope polaris fails just so i can rub it in, its would be bad for the sport if the new pro did fold as easy as we think it will. The better the competition does the better doo will perform to stay on top therefor pushing the sport futher ahead.
Go Polaris Go.....yuck
maxwell
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ehh whatever. 20-30lbs here or there really means nothing when you cant ride worh a fawk.
trench
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The weight of the Pro has been well documented, not trying to bash here but it is what it is. I wonder how the fans of the XP are going to be able to say the new XM is all that, when BRP has made changes to it to ride and side hill like the Pro. I personally like what BRP has done, it's a nice looking sled, and if it rides more like a Pro then it's a win win!!!
maxwell
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so show me the "documentation" LOL.
if the xm rides and handles like a pro i guess ill be forced to stop sledding. or buy all the 2012 etecs remaining.
mach123
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Hey Lenny is there a word blinders. HMMMMMMMMMM
Poo rep: "Hey we got a breakthrough design."
Customer: "Oh yeah, what's that?"
Poo rep: "We put on a belt drive in place of the chaincase."
Customer: "Nice! So how do you have brakes when the belt breaks?"
Poo rep: "Oh, the belt will not break"
Customer: "Ok, how about re-gearing when you want to go to a 3" track?"
Poo rep: " Huh? Uhhh, there will be no gear ratio options for 2013. You will have to go to smaller drivers"
Polaris hasn't even thought that far ahead. This was what a friend told me when he asked during his demo ride.
Customer: "Oh yeah, what's that?"
Poo rep: "We put on a belt drive in place of the chaincase."
Customer: "Nice! So how do you have brakes when the belt breaks?"
Poo rep: "Oh, the belt will not break"
Customer: "Ok, how about re-gearing when you want to go to a 3" track?"
Poo rep: " Huh? Uhhh, there will be no gear ratio options for 2013. You will have to go to smaller drivers"
Polaris hasn't even thought that far ahead. This was what a friend told me when he asked during his demo ride.
maxwell
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3" track wont even fit with smaller drivers. thats an automatic nono purchase. doo fits in with 7 tooths and every sled ill ever own will be getting a 3 inch they work so good. any money you save on a polaris you need to dump into a 3000$ chaincase soooo ya.
also brakes are nice when drivetrain is no longer together LOL
i cant even believe they are still allowed to do that for safety reasons.
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takethebounce
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Lets get this straight right now...
The XM Summit rides nothing like a Pro, and wasn't designed to do so. Its not even close to riding a Pro chassis RMK. I would have been very disapointed if it did.
The changes Doo made to get to the XM simply bridged the gap that many riders felt was important to them. A mountain sled that was geared towards more technical riding, boondocking, sidehilling and maneuverability in mountain terrain versus a Summit that would outclimb (which it still will do) most other stock sleds on the hill. The XM works well. Are there any shortcomings? Time will tell.
Ski-Doo owners wanted a sled that was a true mountain sled, not just an extended trail sled. They got it. Oh of course you can say well all they did was change a little suspension component and the seat, plastics, rails, stearing position, gauges, and so on, but comparing a 2013 Summit XM to a 2008 Summit XP is a world of difference. There were minor changes along the way to get to the XM yes, but its a completely different sled at this point.
I still don't see how Polaris can claim the Pro RMK is a true mountain chassis either. Is the Switchback and Rush not all built off the same platform? Sure there are minor differences, and obvious suspension differences, but just like the Summit, there is the Renegade and MXZ, and so on.
So no, it does not ride like a Pro, and people who enjoying riding Doo's will appreciate that. Before Polaris goes and changes anything again they will likely have a powerplant change to go in the Pro chassis sleds. To some people Horsepower still is a major deciding factor in a sale. Weight is important to other people, ridability is important to me.
maxwell
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you have a point. the pro chassis is just an extended trail sled just like the summit was. definetly not a mountain specific chassis.
teeroy
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who are these people that can't sidehill a summit anyways? what's next....people want sleds that they just have to tell it what to do and hang on? I'm almost scared to try the XM....
JoHNI_T
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hey Im a doo guy,,,, but its the thought of saving 20% more energy that I like,, Im short too not that heavey and I work in an office lol,, so a 3 day XP sled trip a guy feels it a bit ya know...
but with 20% less effort I would be good to go,, or if I could ride more I would be in better shape for it thats the best solution haha....
I can sidehill the XP for 3/4 of the day but maybe on a PRO I could run hard all day is my thinking,, but fawk I wont switch lol 2014 XM it will be... I like the challenge
great review TTB!! thanks
maxwell
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bingo me aswell. i reallly never undersood this xp sidehilling issue. almost laughable really. i think it comes from people with horizonal steering cant grasp how to do it properly because it is different. hence why i cant hold a sidehill on a cat or an rmk.
my concern is that this xm will just be a newby paradise leaving the seasoned riders looking elsewhere.
dont get me wrong i see this sled doing wonders in most situations and am very excited to try it next week. but my concern is with its flickableness there are certain situations where the previous 2008/2009/2010 xp,freeride stances and chassis was totally necessary. climbing trench riddled chutes in the spring time the extra stability and predicability was an asset. i even find the new s-36 stance to be a bit much to handle. its an absolute dream in the trees and low snow conditions but when you get into a crapshoot riddled with landmines trees and trenches i find myself out of control bouncing side to side overcorrecting and making it worse.....still doing it 2 seasons later after a 2011 and 2012.
dont know until i ride it though!
jaredszakacs
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ya I dont know were people are getting the idea that these xp's cant be sidehilled I was standing in my shop grabbed the mountain bar with one hand and had one foot on the running board and pulled it over with ease I weigh 150 pounds! learn the proper way to sidehill and these things are a dream to sidehill! I agree maxwell the wider stance was a beauty in the ruts and spring time bomb holes compared to the s-36 but that s-36 sure is smooth and oh so flickable in the trees hahaha.
brew_doo
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OK guys... I'm wondering if you think the XM will not be a decent sled on the trail? I ride quite a bit here around Whitecourt, on trail & cutlines etc... but mountian ride also - you think the XM will not be suited for both mountain & riding at home for me? Just a few of the review comments have me thinking.
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Adren-junkie
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REALLY, your accusing doo of copying?? Have you looked at the pro? When I look at one it takes me back to.....let me think, about 2004 when Polaris was badmouthing everything about the rev down to the wrist pin bearings.
mountainhunter
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not the best trail machine from the 1 day i have rode the xm chassis. much better everywhere else though, my 11 xp is alot nicer to ride at the end of the day. the xm is not bad on the trail but you can tell it is designed for off trail use
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takethebounce
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mountainhunter summed it up for the most part.
The t-motion gives an unstable feeling on whooped out trails at first. But if you ride it aggresive like a dirt bike you realize you can just hammer it down the trail.
The 36" stance is really narrow to begin with, then add in t-motion its like a loose canon out there. Its give and take. Can you live with a mountain sled that does okay on the trail? Or would you rather have a trail sled that you have to put a little more effort into when off trail?
Funny how so many people say they are sidehilling experts, and I just don't mean those few who mentioned it on here, I rarely see people sidehilling effectively when I am out riding. I only know a small handfull of people who can sidehill really well on set up snow, I only know 2 or 3 who leave me shaking my head in awe after watching them take the most impossible line, if it was even a line at all through a steep technical section that requires all the commitment in the world.
To me there is two kinds of sidehilling, there is the large open slope on a deep powder day, sure it looks cool, but most guys should be able to handle it. Then there is the stuff that is movie worthy. Pointing through the thickest of trees area, crossing downed trees, up over dips and drops, sled on its edge the entire time, all the rider effort in the world to just make it to the next spot to charge at it again. Thats sidehilling.
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