2018 Yamaha Sidewinder MTX 162 Build

[Lund]

Bring's back some good feeling seeing your video's and having that type of power. Even though i'm really enjoying my Sidewinder, i sure missing my Nytro's big power.
Looking forward to my kit for the Sidewinder, should be in soon, so i can get that feeling back to reality and not just memories and video's.
Looks and sounds like its working good there Xmrider, but then what you expect from a Yamaha.

 

[Got boost want snow]

Bring's back some good feeling seeing your video's and having that type of power. Even though i'm really enjoying my Sidewinder, i sure missing my Nytro's big power.
Looking forward to my kit for the Sidewinder, should be in soon, so i can get that feeling back to reality and not just memories and video's.
Looks and sounds like its working good there Xmrider, but then what you expect from a Yamaha.

That's why I still have my turbo apex it may be heavy but the giggle factor is over the top. And there are still hills that when the snow is deep it takes that kind of power to break over the top so all the 2 stroke guys can get over it.

 

[Lund]

That's why I still have my turbo apex it may be heavy but the giggle factor is over the top. And there are still hills that when the snow is deep it takes that kind of power to break over the top so all the 2 stroke guys can get over it.

The MCX 250 kit coming will remedy all my problem's. LOL

 

[Xmrider163]

Haha the power does feel good it’s my first turbo sled and first 4stroke. And your right the stock 2 strokes couldn’t get half way up in post #72 video. You can see where their highest mark was trail cheating. Then I blow past them and up the top. It was the coming down after that was a little scary. Dropped beside the big trees after I walked out holding onto one trying to see where it was safe.

 

[Got boost want snow]

Haha the power does feel good it’s my first turbo sled and first 4stroke. And your right the stock 2 strokes couldn’t get half way up in the one video. You can see where their highest mark was trail cheating. Then I blow past them and up the top. It was the coming down after that was a little scary. Dropped beside the big trees after I walked out holding onto one trying to see where it was safe.

With the apex I just get out in the loose snow and engage the clutch turbo then works like an exhaust brake for a very controlled Re-entry. Nothing pulls like a 4stroke turbo.

 

[Xmrider163]

I’ve rode a few 2stroke turbos just briefly but yes the torque and pull when holding it wide open Climbing is an unmatched feeling for me so far.

The adrenaline from climbing and getting over the top even if these weren’t chutes is awesome, your hearts racing and your face hurts from the Boost Smiles haha. Basically everything I was looking for this season.

 

[Got boost want snow]

I don't climb chutes but in our riding area we have a hill or 2 that only the turbos will go over when the snow is deep. And this is to get into another area we ride. I have over 10,000 km of mostly deep pow riding on my apex. The deeper the pow the more fun it is.

 

[dragonweld28]

Clearly you guys have not tried a strong 2 stroke. 10psi on a properly clutched Axys pulls just as hard and will climb better then the sidewinder. and isn't so heavy.

 

[Xmrider163]

Clearly you guys have not tried a strong 2 stroke. 10psi on a properly clutched Axys pulls just as hard and will climb better then the sidewinder. and isn't so heavy.

As I said above only rode one briefly down the trail and then 1 quick pull up a hill. Before I purchased the sidewinder I was considering an Axys Turbo. No real comparison’s for me to do I only have a few sidewinder riding buddies and a bunch of stock 2 stroke riding buddies.

 

[Xmrider163]

Well 2 but one was an old dragon turbo.

 

[Lund]

Clearly you guys have not tried a strong 2 stroke. 10psi on a properly clutched Axys pulls just as hard and will climb better then the sidewinder. and isn't so heavy.

I have, many many times, not to argue a pointless conversation on the net. But there is NO 2 stroke on the planet on boost, even at 10 or 12psi that will out pull a 4 stroke on boost. It is mathematically impossible as a 4 stroke at any given RPM generates far higher torque numbers.
In fact Niner on this forum run's an Axys on boost set at 10 or 12 psi and his Axys won't keep up to a STOCK Sidewinder.
I've been doing this for many years and tried them all, 4 stroke on boost when it comes to flat out power can not be beat, its just that simple.

 

[dragonweld28]

Fair enough. I was just saying. Ive ridden both a bunch. The power is almost identical. The sound of the sidewinder at 8900 RPM is pretty sweet tho..
This is the faster turbo Axys I have driven. It ripped.

 

[dragonweld28]

Niner has a turbo pro not an axys and I ride with them all the time. How does 200hp on a heavy 4 stroke beat 200hp on a 2 stroke. I have ridden both lots... and a stock sidewinder is horrible, lots of fun, but can't climb very well as it just flips over. Had to be stretched to a 174, then needed a skid and shocks to make it handle ok. The if you bump a rock your chain case it toast. $2500 bill to my other buddy that just bought one.

 

[174mcx]

Its all in what your after, if 200ish hp is what you want then its a personal decision for stockish 4 stroke or a fully done 2 stroke. They both have a different set of pros and cons. If you want 80mph track speeds and 300ish hp then you only have 1 choice.

 

[Lund]

Fair enough. I was just saying. Ive ridden both a bunch. The power is almost identical. The sound of the sidewinder at 8900 RPM is pretty sweet tho..
This is the faster turbo Axys I have driven. It ripped.

https://youtu.be/ycSgpNv64GI

Not saying that a turbo 2 stroke doesn't rip, yes it does. But if you have riode a 4 stroke the very first thing you notice is the power delivery is COMPLETELY different. So implying that the power is almost identical is not true. They do not pull the same, like i said the torque number are far higher on a 4 stroke at any given RPM, giving a 4 stroke a completely different feel.

 

[Xmrider163]

Fair enough. I was just saying. Ive ridden both a bunch. The power is almost identical. The sound of the sidewinder at 8900 RPM is pretty sweet tho..
This is the faster turbo Axys I have driven. It ripped.

https://youtu.be/ycSgpNv64GI

I’ve seen that video a few times on repeat lol, and that’s the same setup I was gonna buy off of “Chris Gulbradsen” out in Stoney Plain I believe. Parkland Motorsports. I have just watched a ton of the Powerhouse Crew videos, and the Yamafest videos and Wanted to do the 4 stroke turbo and since Randy Swenson and Jaimie Moberg Jeff Rosner took us out on the power tour it helped persuade me.

 

[Lund]

Niner has a turbo pro not an axys and I ride with them all the time. How does 200hp on a heavy 4 stroke beat 200hp on a 2 stroke. I have ridden both lots... and a stock sidewinder is horrible, lots of fun, but can't climb very well as it just flips over. Had to be stretched to a 174, then needed a skid and shocks to make it handle ok. The if you bump a rock your chain case it toast. $2500 bill to my other buddy that just bought one.

Like i said, each to their own. At CR we build alot of both and test all of them.
Its easy to pick issues on things you don't like but reality is reality. 200hp 2 stroke is pushing near its limits, while you can do the same with a 4 stroke for less money, 250 kits can be had for $2000 and out live the 2 stroke.
The chain case is the same as any of the CAt's out there. I haven't heard too many issues with Cat cases. Ya i'm sure some get busted on all makes.

 

[Xmrider163]

Clearly you guys have not tried a strong 2 stroke. 10psi on a properly clutched Axys pulls just as hard and will climb better then the sidewinder. and isn't so heavy.

I’m hoping to get a ride in with some Turbo 2 strokes to do a comparison and just try a new setup. I believe we have a mutual friend Stacey. His and my chain cases were cracked and we both didn’t have a skid plate installed.

Hopefully get a ride in with You/Niner/Catman10/Kibbels then?

 

[dragonweld28]

LOL. Well, now your saying the power is different. You were originally stating that sidewinder is WAY faster then a turbo 2 stroke. Which it clearly isn't. Booth machines need RPM to build any boost, there power delivery is very similar.
Independent dyno numbers show the sidewinder making 204 hp and 126ft/lbs at 8850RPM, while a turbo axys at 10 psi was 218 hp and 118 ft/lbs at 8250 rpm.

8 ft/lbs and 600 rpm is that much.

 

[06yamahaapex]

Torque > horsepower in the mtns. Any person with any common sense knows this. And four stokes have far more torque, hence why they overcome the weight factor.