Would you sled with someone that doesn't have an avy bag?

[~Rowdy~]

"usually". Not the word I want to hear when talking safety or terrain choices. "oh that hill usually never slide." doesn't exactly inspire confidence. At least not in me and my desire to get home at the end of the day.

Food for thought; no one ever plans on not making it home at the end of the day. I think I'm ok looking like a B sending a guy home or waiting a couple hrs while he gets a beacon in lieu of "the worst case scenario" happening and not having proper equipment.

 

[imdoo'n]

yes rowdy any slope with snow can slide if given the right circumstances, but i can't see anyone sitting 4 hrs while someone goes to get a beacon, seems there is always a few new riders in the group when we go out, and i don't rely on them to save me at any time. so i guess i can take the chance.

 

[imdoo'n]

now i have a question for you. would you ride with anyone who didn't have a helmet under any circumstances?

 

[tex78]

Hey now. I forgot it once.

I made the 2 days riding a crappy cat and had a sunburn raccoon look after.

Never fell or hit a tree or upside down

sent from my htc

 

[~Rowdy~]

now i have a question for you. would you ride with anyone who didn't have a helmet under any circumstances?

Doubt it.

 

[tex78]

Doubt it.

U ride with medler ???

His head isn't screwed on straight ???









Baaaaaaaaaaaa sorry mike

sent from my htc

 

[~Rowdy~]

Doubt it.

. Another persons avy bag, helmet, color of jacket or what they put in their muff pot doesn't affect whether or not I go home at the end of the day. A beacon, probe and shovel do. It is in MY best interest to ride with someone that carries that gear. I care if I make it home at night

Im having a helluva time doing this on my phone so eff it.

Also, I would have a hard time looking at myself in the mirror if I had let a friend ride with me without a beacon, probe or shovel and something happened to him/her.

 

[dvst8r]

People should be less worried if there riding companions have avy bags, and more worried about if they have fun bags.

 

[Bogger]

"hold onto my beacon and watch this!!!"

 

[imdoo'n]

yes i would prefer that everyone had the equipment, and yes i have riddin with those that did not, i can't say i would refuse to ride if they didn't, maybe that is the way i am. i prefer not to get into a situation where the equipment is needed, because then you have made a mistake. it is not up to your buddies to save you would be nice if they did.

 

[Iron Horse Racing]

ive seen and been in a few avys ! and lets just say i want someone who can use that beacon with skill, not just turn it on and watch the little lights 0.o years ago u had to use a little ear piece on yer beacon there was no numbers and metre, u found the guy by sound which gives u the option to open yer eyes more ... chit i know 12 year olds that can use a beacon better then most on here I BET lol

Sounds like a challenge to me.....maybe someone should set up some beacon search games.....have peeps put up or shut up...

 

[JaySimon]

Sounds like a challenge to me.....maybe someone should set up some beacon search games.....have peeps put up or shut up...

Great way to get out and practice. Hell, it's a good time, provided ya bring along a coupla wobbly pops.

 

[JaySimon]

oh ya make sure u turn the beacon on lol i seen some idiot do that before ...

A guy on my Avy course dropped his beacon, turned off. We did a probe line and found it. Nerve racking moment for the poor guy though.

 

[imdoo'n]

ive seen and been in a few avys ! and lets just say i want someone who can use that beacon with skill, not just turn it on and watch the little lights 0.o years ago u had to use a little ear piece on yer beacon there was no numbers and metre, u found the guy by sound which gives u the option to open yer eyes more ... chit i know 12 year olds that can use a beacon better then most on here I BET lol

100% true willie, i would like to say again that you have a few good posts if people will listen and not jump down a guys throat.


have found a few guys beacons that didn't work properly while doing beacon searches, in the parking lot and hills, also one at the avi training in goldenwith an experienced mtn. rider WTF. i feel i can't practice enough, lots feel they use it once and they are good to go, others think they will learn it on the hill, it must be instinctual for you to use it properly.

challenge your riding buddies to find a buried beacon under 2 minutes, see what happens.

 

[imdoo'n]

could be a very good interaction game at the snow and mud summer and winter jamborees.

 

[TylerG]

could be a very good interaction game at the snow and mud summer and winter jamborees.

at the winter one in the past we have had the lovely folks at Zacs tracs out doing beacon workshops, I think this is something we should be doing every year..... but that's not my bag of tricks, I don't plan the winter event......

 

[imdoo'n]

yes it would be tough, as when most sledders get ready at the staging it becomes a mad race to the alpine. thus we usually do a beacon search at a break in the ride. we keep it simple, just a single beacon not a multiple search. prize is a beer on the end of the beacon strap. it can be an eye opener.

 

[fnDan]

I ride with guys that don't have an avy bag and a few that do. It's a personal choice whereas a beacon and probe and training are not.
I rarely put myself in high risk avy danger because I don't like big climbs and steep terrain. There's always the potential for an avy almost anywhere I ride. The bag makes my wife feel better and I wear a backpack anyway.
I think wearing an avy bag requires a lot of thought. You need to be thinking about pulling the handle the whole time your really in a potential avy situation.
My brother was caught in an avy and he wouldnt have deployed the bag since he was facing downhill and someone triggered it above him. He didn't hear it coming. In those circumstances when you wouldn't see it coming (facing downhill or riding downhill) I think a signal system with buddies might be an idea. Unfortunately people get caught up in just sledding and not many have a buddy sitting in a safe spot acting as your spotter. Most people still sit at the bottom and hopefully out of the path.
I like riding with people that like some adventure and have a reasonable amount of common sense. It's really good when everyone in your group respects everyone else so that everyone's opinion is taken into consideration.

As for beacon practice. I get my daughter to go outside and hide the spare beacon, then I go out and search.

 

[Teth-Air]

. Another persons avy bag, helmet, color of jacket or what they put in their muff pot doesn't affect whether or not I go home at the end of the day. A beacon, probe and shovel do. It is in MY best interest to ride with someone that carries that gear. I care if I make it home at night

Im having a helluva time doing this on my phone so eff it.

Also, I would have a hard time looking at myself in the mirror if I had let a friend ride with me without a beacon, probe or shovel and something happened to him/her.

So unless you are below a guy (without safety gear) causing an avalanche, how does your chances of survival increase by not allowing a guy to come along without a beaon, probe, shovel etc? As I see it, if you sled with 2 guys and one has all the safety gear and the other doesn't, if you are stuck in an avalanche, you have one guy to look for you and one to go for help. If you tell the guy without equipment to stay home then you still have one guy looking for you but no-one to go for help??? Sure I get your point but does this ill-equipped guy actually increase your risk?

 

[imdoo'n]

i agree, beacon, probe, are a must, avi training highly recommended, avi bag also highly recommended, i have and still do ride with those that don't have some of the stuff. they usually do on the second ride, or some don't come back due to not liking the riding etcetc. but i don't get in someones face saying ya can't ride with us, everyone has there own level of acceptable risk, i try to manage it, and find it not in my best interest to find out who can operate the safety equipment and who can't. very strange that the ones who have avi equipment and training seem to be the ones getting caught lately. why is that.


i enjoy bringing new people out to our riding areas, make sure they have the equipment, and try to impart some of the do's and don'ts of the alpine, at least those i know as i seem to be learning all the time. i think those that think they know it all, may have there own problems.