Will it really make the roads any safer??????

[KVF 700]

It would be worth it, as a third party, to bring breathalyzer machines into bars, restaurants or lounges. Charge 2 bucks to blow and let the customer decide. Of course you would need to have them sign a waiver stating this is not an official breathalyzer and you are not responsible blah blah blah.

 

[Snow Monkey]

I lost 2 friends to drunk drivers. 1 was riding his bike, then got off, while crossing the road where he was supposed to, a lady in a van hit him from behind, her speed was so fast he flew up around 100 feet, came down and landed on his head on the middle of the road. Dead instantly. She took off, when caught she was sober, no idea she hit someone or was even driving. First time caught. ??????
His brother died too, seperate accident, thrown out of his vehicle when a drunk nailed the vehicle he was in. ?????? First time caught there too. ??????
People are sick, you can't fix stupid, blah blah blah, the words don't fix anything, but mark my words if a drunk killed your child, spouse, etc tonight, or tomorrow on the way to school, the song might change that we sing.
A girl I went to school with lost her child to a drunk driver in Leduc a number of years ago. Another was mowed down in a parking lot, she didn't even get to tell her husband yet they were expecting their first child, she was on her way home to tell him.
I'm not lecturing, just know so many stories close to me, that it makes me take the view that the people getting behind the wheel aren't the victims with this law, the victims are those we bury, those whom we have to go to their homes and tell them their child, spouse, expectant wife and baby, aren't coming home because someone thought they were 'fine' to drive.

Everyone has a brain and their own mind to make their own decision. We will not ever all agree on this issue.

I hope that one day I won't be the one at home, opening my door to that kind of news. If you are driving after drinks, use common sense.

Please take care of my family when you drive. I do the same for yours.


Happy winter everyone


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[Fuel Fire]

The rate since BC brought it in has gone down 50%. that's a huge step forward.

Sent from my Nexus S

thats not true from what I have read. Post your source.

 

[Bogger]

And I support increased penalties for "Drunk" driving...I agree one life is too many

They don't care what the limit is, but if the time is bad enough they won't do the crime.

 

[Bogger]

And I would bet that none of those drivers were between .05 and .08.... They were DRUNK, throw the book at the drunk drivers and lay off the not legally impaired (below .08) folks...Thats all I'm saying...

I lost 2 friends to drunk drivers. 1 was riding his bike, then got off, while crossing the road where he was supposed to, a lady in a van hit him from behind, her speed was so fast he flew up around 100 feet, came down and landed on his head on the middle of the road. Dead instantly. She took off, when caught she was sober, no idea she hit someone or was even driving. First time caught. ??????
His brother died too, seperate accident, thrown out of his vehicle when a drunk nailed the vehicle he was in. ?????? First time caught there too. ??????
People are sick, you can't fix stupid, blah blah blah, the words don't fix anything, but mark my words if a drunk killed your child, spouse, etc tonight, or tomorrow on the way to school, the song might change that we sing.
A girl I went to school with lost her child to a drunk driver in Leduc a number of years ago. Another was mowed down in a parking lot, she didn't even get to tell her husband yet they were expecting their first child, she was on her way home to tell him.
I'm not lecturing, just know so many stories close to me, that it makes me take the view that the people getting behind the wheel aren't the victims with this law, the victims are those we bury, those whom we have to go to their homes and tell them their child, spouse, expectant wife and baby, aren't coming home because someone thought they were 'fine' to drive.

Everyone has a brain and their own mind to make their own decision. We will not ever all agree on this issue.

I hope that one day I won't be the one at home, opening my door to that kind of news. If you are driving after drinks, use common sense.

Please take care of my family when you drive. I do the same for yours.


Happy winter everyone


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[Fuel Fire]

Soon the government is going to legislate when we shi*t, Piss and eat. Seems people in this country are complacent with the government legislating everything we do.. Seriously there is a law for everything and a ever stricter law every year.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty. This law makes those same lazy cops the judge and jury.... yeah those same cops that cant stop sled/atv theft, violent crime, and blue collar crime. Wow , only crime thats easy to enforce, write tickets on, and add to the police fund coffers. Lets rethink these laws and methods of enforcement people.

 

[Bogger]

I was arrested for pizzin in an alley once back when I was young and stupid....but I hadn't planned on driving that night, saved me the cab fare anyway....

Soon the government is going to legislate when we shi*t, Piss and eat. Seems people in this country are complacent with the government legislating everything we do.. Seriously there is a law for everything and a ever stricter law every year.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty. This law makes those same lazy cops the judge and jury.... yeah those same cops that cant stop sled/atv theft, violent crime, and blue collar crime. Wow , only crime thats easy to enforce, write tickets on, and add to the police fund coffers. Lets rethink these laws and methods of enforcement people.

 

[Fuel Fire]

pissing in an alley well thank god we have cops to enforce that.... what ever would we do without cops. We'd have people pissing in alleys like homeless people. wait we have homeless people.... hmmmmm

 

[Darrell262]

The Cops in Prince George are pretty bad now for pulling people off the road. My dad is a tow truck driver. He says that this year he has been called soo many times to hook up to a car from dui that there is no more room in the compound for cars and trucks. ICBC is paying the towing company to rent a different lot to store cars in. He says the law goes too far right off the bat dude gets car towed and license revoked on the spot with no judge there period. He says pretty soon there were be no one working or driving anymore here, and he says its not drunk people being taken off the road, its Reg people who had 1-2 drinks who are over the limit at a pub. Pubs in Prince George are having at tuff time of it, in fact they have a shuttle bus at most here that will pick you up and drive you home for a donation its so bad. Pubs are so empty nower days. I see most people drink at home now for fear of dui. Thats why the crashes are down. Government is scaring people to stay at home nowerdays. I don't goto the pub much anymore because I am scared if I have 2-3 rye and coke with supper I could have my truck impounded and license taken away. I am not saying drinking and driving is good, but I think the laws for first offence are pretty brutal. What happened to the 24 hour and tow home or tow to the lot for 1 day. Up In Prince George there isn't a huge population density that is in say Vancover. I used to go have a drink at a friends in the boonies and drive home back roads but I don't anymore for fear of being pulled over. Are there any people / kids walking the streets at 2am on a saturday night in the middle of no where? No. There is no one period on the hiways/ back roads around here. Did I drive down town like this. no. I stayed away from down town.

If your worried about drinking and driving and getting hurt and killed. I have a idea. You can't stop people from drinking and driving. People will do this anyhow. But you can do sometihng about it. Its like buying insurance.. Buy full size truck, or a old huge boat like car. The chances of making it alive in a large heavy truck/car have to be better then driving a smart car. Thats your insurance. Should you have to do this, no, but you also don't have to fully insure your car truck as well. You can 'pink' slip your coverage.

Anyhoo. Thats my rant. BC is starting to be a police state like California is.

 

[Darrell262]

Oh forgot one other nice detail. I drive to the beer store, which is also a pub. Winter time 10:50pm. I havn't been drinking I am going to pick up booze and take it home. I leave the beer store and drive down the little hill and turn right to go back home. There is a copper parked in a driveway of a house across the intersection. He sees me coming down the hill from the place and pulls out and starts following me. I already know he is going to pull me over and I am just waiting for it as we drive down the road. Sure enough he throws on the red and blue and I pull over into some nice fresh powder. I figure it should help when he has to walk into the snow. He asks if I have been drinking and I said no. He asks for drivers/insurance and then asks me if this is my truck. I said yes. , he then asks me 2 more times if I am sure its my truck. I say yes (he is trying to smell if theres booze in my breath) he hassles me more about if I am sure I havn't been drinking since I left the pub (harassment I think and intrapment i think pulling from driveway) I tell the cop I went to get booze from the beer store and thats it. so he asks me to get the booze. I pull off my belt, move around in my chair alot reach into the back of the truck getting fully out of my seat so I don't get a 50$ fine for having booze with in reach while driving(yes its a fine) I show him my bag which has a 26er of rye, 2 liter of pop and a bag of chips, and he says are you sure this isn't off sales, and asks me for the reciept. (the pub doesnt sell off sales since there is a beer store attached to it) I don't see the reciept and the cop hassles me about it, I said well I could drive back to the beer store and see if I can get one for you but its 10:59 and they are closing. Finally the cop says have a good night and leaves. I was ticked off, so much I thought about filing a complaint but all that would do is make me a target for cops to try to pin stuff on me later on.

 

[CUSO]

Watch it buster.....

If you weighed 200lbs....you were caught in some sort of industrial machine and torn apart....hahahaha

 

[BrownEyes420]

First of all I am not a guy!!! And second of all 420 is my birthday April 20th!! P.S If I did get high I wouldn't drive, just like I don't drive even if I have 1 drink, it's not worth the risk!!

Bet you love the name ehh BUDDY!!!!

This is coming from a guy that has 420 in his name? Is ok to get high and drive?

 

[BrownEyes420]

It's not all about money, it's about the prevention of deaths and injuries. Of course the money comes into play, it's the way judicial systems works, your break the law you pay the fine and/or do the time!!

I wasn't suggesting that the comrades who lobbied for the law change were the ones making any money. The reason the gov't passed the law is because there is $$$ at stake. Kinda like red light cameras....convicted with no trial. I am sure I'm not the only one who stops for 2 beers and a plate of wings on the way home sometimes.....well...this is over. I don't really care, I have beer at home...my wings suck...but business will suffer. That hot waitress that would get 20 bucks from me now gets zip. I NEVER drive when I've had 3 or more....the wife will come get me every time. But with the threat of losing my truck and licence for 3 days...and hence, my job...it's done. FYI: I've never had a DUI, 24 suspension, or any other booze related charge...EVER. But I oppose this new legislation.

 

[BrownEyes420]

Here, this might help all those who are worried about losing your license when you go out

Tougher drinking laws won't put cork in night out

 

[Bogger]

And as I stated before, I don't believe that the .05-.08 crowd is killing people. I'm all for tougher enforcement and penalties for drunk driving. My daughter has been a SADD member for 3 years now and attends the national conferences. You choose not to have a drink if you have to drive, great all the power too you, but just because you choose not to why should that mean that I cant..

Plain and simple I do not think that the new laws will prevent impaired driving injuries/fatalities, I know what BC is claiming for statistics but I still don't believe that the new law is the reason for the trend as it does not target the problem area, it targets normal joes like me who want the opportunity to make our own responsible decisions.

Good on you and your group for your accomplishment, you identified a cause fought for it and won. I respect your dedication and hard work. But just because you won doesn't make it right nor fair to much of the population, our government is really good at deciding in favor of special interest groups without consideration of the general public as a whole

Much like distracted driving, which kills more people than drunk driving. we did not need a new law, we just needed increased enforcement of existing laws, driving without due care and attention you wanna fix the drinking and driving situation give the guy who blows more than 3x the legal limit more than a $1500 fine and a 1yr suspension THEN a $3000 fine and a 2 year suspension on the second offence and so on... hit a first time offender with a $5000 fine, community service to be served with MADD or SADD canada and a 2-5 year suspension, 2nd offence should be 4x.... THAT will target your drunk drivers as opposed to the guy who wants to have 1 or 2 beer with a buddy after work or a glass of wine at dinner....


Not sure how people can take my reasoning here and turn it into ..BOGGER SUPPORTS DRUNK DRIVERS... YOU'LL CHANGE YOUR TUNE WHEN A FAMILY MEMBER IS KILLED BY A DRUNK DRIVER....Etc....

It's not all about money, it's about the prevention of deaths and injuries. Of course the money comes into play, it's the way judicial systems works, your break the law you pay the fine and/or do the time!!

 

[magnet]

better yet bogger have them do community service on drunk driving related accident calls etc. or go with officers to notify next of kin, when family members have been killed / seriously injured by drunk drivers. might change tunes. i think what is saying is right though hit the bigger guys harder. but we do need to start somewhere.

 

[Bogger]

Thank you, That basically answered my questions which caused me to start this thread, I still think there is nothing wrong with the federal .08 though...

Here, this might help all those who are worried about losing your license when you go out

Tougher drinking laws won't put cork in night out

 

[Bogger]

better yet bogger have them do community service on drunk driving related accident calls etc. or go with officers to notify next of kin, when family members have been killed / seriously injured by drunk drivers. might change tunes. i think what is saying is right though hit the bigger guys harder. but we do need to start somewhere.

Does it not make more sense to start where the problem lies????

thats like your mechanic telling you that your altenator is shot but first he's gonna change out the starter because "we gotta start somewhere"...

 

[DaveB]

It's not all about money, it's about the prevention of deaths and injuries. Of course the money comes into play, it's the way judicial systems works, your break the law you pay the fine and/or do the time!!

Sorry. I'm with Bogger. The 0.05 to 0.07999 crowd is not the problem. If 0.08 is the criminal limit (and this number was determined by scientists years ago after spending a lot of tax money I am sure)...then that is where you need to get punished. A 3 day suspension and 3 day impound for actually not being legally intoxicated is a money grab and will cost many people their jobs.

 

[BrownEyes420]

No body says you can't make the choice to have a drink and get behind the wheel, if that's what you want to do, then do it, NO ONE can stop people who want to do this no matter what the law say.

If you're saying the .05-.08 drivers aren't killing people, where do you get your facts? I HAVE lost some friends to drunk drivers too and I don't believe the laws being made to stop people from getting behind the wheel are really going to work, but at least it's going to make some people (like everyone on this site) think twice about driving even after a couple of drinks.

You are never going to please everyone when it comes to law making but they have to start some where. The 0.08 BAC law wasn't working, that's why it's being changed. I was in court the other day watching all the REPEAT impaired drivers being sentenced and fined, there was a gentleman who are in his late 50's and he hadn't had a licence since 1988 but continues to drive without a licnese andd impaired!! What does that say about repeat offenders, if we don't get them off the roads, they continue to drive under the influence injurying and killing people. He's not the only one out there I am sure but it scares me to think my sons drive on the same roads as this guy did.

It's everyone's chioce and no one is telling you have to live your life, just trying to get people to think of the others on the road when they are driving under the influence. Just saying...

And as I stated before, I don't believe that the .05-.08 crowd is killing people. I'm all for tougher enforcement and penalties for drunk driving. My daughter has been a SADD member for 3 years now and attends the national conferences. You choose not to have a drink if you have to drive, great all the power too you, but just because you choose not to why should that mean that I cant..

Plain and simple I do not think that the new laws will prevent impaired driving injuries/fatalities, I know what BC is claiming for statistics but I still don't believe that the new law is the reason for the trend as it does not target the problem area, it targets normal joes like me who want the opportunity to make our own responsible decisions.

Good on you and your group for your accomplishment, you identified a cause fought for it and won. I respect your dedication and hard work. But just because you won doesn't make it right nor fair to much of the population, our government is really good at deciding in favor of special interest groups without consideration of the general public as a whole

Much like distracted driving, which kills more people than drunk driving. we did not need a new law, we just needed increased enforcement of existing laws, driving without due care and attention you wanna fix the drinking and driving situation give the guy who blows more than 3x the legal limit more than a $1500 fine and a 1yr suspension THEN a $3000 fine and a 2 year suspension on the second offence and so on... hit a first time offender with a $5000 fine, community service to be served with MADD or SADD canada and a 2-5 year suspension, 2nd offence should be 4x.... THAT will target your drunk drivers as opposed to the guy who wants to have 1 or 2 beer with a buddy after work or a glass of wine at dinner....


Not sure how people can take my reasoning here and turn it into ..BOGGER SUPPORTS DRUNK DRIVERS... YOU'LL CHANGE YOUR TUNE WHEN A FAMILY MEMBER IS KILLED BY A DRUNK DRIVER....Etc....