Why.........?

[maxwell]

Anyone remember that guy on snowest a few years back? The jet engine propulsion engineer? Trying to convince everyone the narrower tracks work better because they create a fast movig narrow jet stream of snow out the back propelling the sled forward. I had a good laugh

 

[scotts]

Is the difference in performance enough to warrant new track moulds? How much better does the 16 wide work? Is it a 10' difference in a climb? or a 100' diff? If it's 100' then sure but if it's not who cares. Great thread but I don't see it lasting long before the brand bashing begins.

Ten' is a huge difference,if its me ten feet above a pro!!

 

[Longhairfreak]

With cat releasing a new chassis last year and Polaris the year before why are they dedicated to that 15 wide track? It would have been such a simple change to throw into the new design. Serious thread here do any of you think there is no advantage what so ever to having a 16 wide track? And that is why it's not happening?

Basic math says the 16 wide wins. What's your opinion? I know tons of guys Doing aftermarket 16 wide conversions.

The Wedge even has a 16 wide.

 

[poo88]

Anyone remember that guy on snowest a few years back? The jet engine propulsion engineer? Trying to convince everyone the narrower tracks work better because they create a fast movig narrow jet stream of snow out the back propelling the sled forward. I had a good laugh

Oh wow. That is all

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[Bogger]

well if he was an engineer it musta worked on paper......

Anyone remember that guy on snowest a few years back? The jet engine propulsion engineer? Trying to convince everyone the narrower tracks work better because they create a fast movig narrow jet stream of snow out the back propelling the sled forward. I had a good laugh

 

[Modman]

I think there is too much emphasis on the track width, its more about the design IMO, if you cut 1" off the Doo track it would still be a better track. Doo had a similar design and same width with 08 Powdermax, but had big porting in their tracks, much bigger than 1" once you combined the porting, and they still seemed to work better than the others. If the added 1" width of surface area made that much difference, the ported tracks should have been a terrible track by that logic as the surface area would have been much less than a non-ported 15".

Similarily, the Camo Lite they spec'd on some sleds in 06/07 was a terrible track because it was a stiff durometer for the paddles, but it came in a 16" wide. The added 1" width didn't help the Lite at all, in fact it was one of the worst tracks ever. 1" will not make as much difference as more track speed, and it could be argued that the additional track weight and contact surface of the 16" means that the track speed will be decreased so it would not climb as well, all other things being equal. I think Doo's curent track design is the best, be it from the durometer or paddle design they spec'd, it works for climbing.

Polaris has a better sidehilling track right now IMO, but not sure what that is attributed to more, a good handling sled or the track itself at this point. Cat does most things good and is a really great track all around, but doesn't climb like the Doo and doesn't sidehill like the Pro, and works good turned one way for going up and sucks coming down, or works good for going down and sucks for going up if you turn it around.

I think if Cat had a tweaked design that somehow allowed the track to work as good coming down as going up when you turn the PC around, it would be the track to beat hands down. Not sure on the Ascent yammy is currently using, I know they were specifically designing it for the Nytro and I have read some good reviews on it, haven't had any seat time on it.

 

[jbb]

15"= flickability.....

 

[summit1974]

i think for yrs the DOO has had the advantage of the 16" track and the magazines and comparisons have always leveled the playing feild by saying they dont side hill "AS" good as the other sleds.But if all you ever road was a DOO then you just made it go where you wanted to make it go to the best of your ability.One thing i know for sure is the Challenger Lite I had on my 07 was way too stiff for the powder.Didnt work at all.Great track for spring climbing though!!

 

[thegeneral]

blah blah blah, line a few of these sleds up on a hill or in a meadow or in the parking lot, anywhere just as long as its real world fair comparison.

 

[joekikass]

Know doubt 16" works better and even more so with T motion but not as good as the 17", rear mounted turbo in a cat I was told about at frisby cabin. The dude was firing through doobies like candy so I'm not sure I trust his claims

 

[Riverjet]

More is usually better. Flotation is everything. Double track it!

 

[Longhairfreak]

More is usually better. Flotation is everything. Double track it!

https://www.snowandmud.com/forum/f14/custom-mountain-twin-174s-8841.html This thing works really well. 2x174x10x2.5

 

[Trashy]

Hmmm.......
My 04 Rev HME had a 159x16, it got up on the snow fast but still trenched and tractored
My (now) 10 Iguana has a 155x15, it still gets up on the snow fast, trenches and tractors

I'm

 

[snopro]

Hmmm.......
My 04 Rev HME had a 159x16, it got up on the snow fast but still trenched and tractored
My (now) 10 Iguana has a 155x15, it still gets up on the snow fast, trenches and tractors

I'm

Look for the common denominator.......Operator error. Lmao!!

 

[rsaint]

Valid point. But in my opinion I think the real advantage of the 16 wide is te flotation and the way it pulls itself up on the snow from a stop. You can put an m8 162 on a slight incline in fresh snow beside a similar sled with a 16 wide and one of them is trenched out and stuck while the other is tractoring forward slowly building momentum

Good point but that is brand bashing you need 2 identical sleds 1 with a 15 and 16'' and then see what happens.

 

[maxwell]

Good point but that is brand bashing you need 2 identical sleds 1 with a 15 and 16'' and then see what happens.

done it many times with my fathers 2011 162 m8 and my 2010 163 doo. never been something ive thought to video tape as its somewhat boring to watch LOL. and then you get that sinking feeling because you have to dig that boat out now,

 

[rsaint]

done it many times with my fathers 2011 162 m8 and my 2010 163 doo. never been something ive thought to video tape as its somewhat boring to watch LOL. and then you get that sinking feeling because you have to dig that boat out now,

Were you comparing those sleds and interchange the 15 and 16 tracks on them.

 

[ferniesnow]

Look for the common denominator.......Operator error. Lmao!!

Trashie, this guys has a cool signature line but he just keeps trashing you………WTF

 

[Dazzler]

Is Brp not the only sled manufacture out of the 4 with a 16" wide track????? Why would this be?? I'm pretty sure that they do not have a patent on it..... is it possible that the other manufactures have not notice this little secret??.. so now why did BRP put on a twisty bendy skid with flexible track edges?? could it be that, maybe they are trying to get your "five year ahead of it's time" toboggan to handle like the others rather than an old plow horse??? I hope this helps!!!

 

[snopro]

Trashie, this guys has a cool signature line but he just keeps trashing you………WTF

I kid cause I care Doug. Lol.