Who are you voting for, Ab election.

[LBZ]

Where do you see anything on the NDPs platform about taxing the working man more? Maybe I am blind?

I see they want to raise corporate taxes 2%. Nothing. About raising the working mans.... Everything I've heard from them is quite the opposite. They want large corporations and the top 10% earners to pay a little more.


The PCs want to raise your taxes, but not by actually raising them, but by sneakily doing it, by raising all kinds of other fees to dip into your wallet instead of their corporate buddies pockets. Raising tickets, alcohol, smokes, camp ground fees, land titles, health care premiums, etc etc. Cutting funding to teachers and health care, you have kids ?

PCs represent big business, look at their donations, all corporate guys. We have the lowest corporate tax in the country at 10%, raising to 12% will line is up with the rest of the country.

It may not be on their platform but it's the nature of the party.
I'm all for the 2% raise, but eventually being as big of a party as they are, the corruption will kick in and eventually they will be a slave to the corporate kick back.

Look at current BC with Liberal and past with NDP and past NDP in Sask. It's not a pretty picture which is why I feel none of the big three have any business running Alberta.

 

[moyiesledhead]

Where do you see anything on the NDPs platform about taxing the working man more? Maybe I am blind?

It may not be on their platform but it's the nature of the party. Look at current BC and the past in Sask. Not a pretty picture.
I'm all for the 2% raise, but eventually being as big of a party as they are, the corruption will kick in and eventually they will be a slave to the corporate kick back.

What the he!! kind of a comparison is that? BC hasn't had an NDP government in 15 years. It's the Liberal thieves that have been raping us!

 

[catalac]

I agree with you with the exception of royalties. There is NO WAY that raising the royalties will shut the patch down. BILLIONS have been invested and oil companies aren't going to just walk away and take a huge loss. It means their profit margin will be cut a bit and maybe they will get a wake up call that they need to think a little more about how they spend their money instead of giving away millions in bonuses to the top heavy corporate staff. Like said before, they can't take it with them and someone else will just fill the gap if they do leave anyways.

Not only that a government in place that might actually collect all the owed millions in royalties would go a long way to taking care of the bills too. PC's ain't going to do it obviously.

That said the big 3 need to take a back seat for awhile and let someone more in touch with the everyday working man run things for a bit and see how things go. Humble them all a little. PC definitely needs to be humbled.

I agree if sask can thrive on higher royalties then Alberta it isn't going to matter, goes hand in hand with helping pay for the $3000 dollar suits the "business leaders" on the news the other night were wearing when they bitched about why corporations shouldn't have tax increases. Me think Alberta large business has had the PC party in their back pocket long enough.... Remember in 2012 when Daryl Katz was investigated for every member of his family paying the max allowable contribution to the PC party, go figure nothing came of it.

 

[LBZ]

What the he!! kind of a comparison is that? BC hasn't had an NDP government in 15 years. It's the Liberal thieves that have been raping us!

Sorry, I should have proofread that sentence after I edited and before I posted it.

What I meant was look at current BC with Liberal and past with NDP and past NDP in Sask. It's not good which is why I feel none of the big three have any business running Alberta.
The Saskatchewan party took over things after the people had enough of the big 3 just looking out for themselves and things are going quite well there now. That's why I say we need to give the little guy a chance-whichever one someone feels suits them best. No reason to be scared of change.

 

[lilduke]

In the private sector, we need to make our own arrangements for retirement and save accordingly - with politics it is the exact opposite. Spend a few years in office and you receive a fat payout if you are skidded, or get a huge pension for minimal effort. A good portion of my tax dollars go to feeding these fat cats, and handouts to social programs... quite frankly I'm sick of it.

Thank you! Me too. These politicians are stealing from us daily. I wish more people could see this. Someone steals a sled or quad ext(that is most likely insured) and people want to see that someone in prison. Well some of these politicians need to be going to jail ie Alison Redford.They have stolen far more than few toys from us. Then these c#ck suckers have the nerve to blame the working stiff for pissing away billions of dollars?? The system is broken, I can't vote for any of this in good conscience.

 

[Merc63]

You think these PC pricks care about the families and the little guy??


Their ONLY concern is their corporate sponsor buddies pockets, which in turn keeps them in power. Then they hand them huge government contracts, it's a huge circle of cash.

These guys with these multi million dollar companies are not having hard times or broke. They are living huge with every tax break they can get their hands on while the working man gets nickled and dimed to death on his fixed income.

Im all for business and companies, the harder the work the more you make, etc, but don't come crying like your broke and you can't afford anything. We have the lowest corporate tax in the country, a 2% raise will bring us in line with the rest of the country.

 

[Keith Brown]

Are you kidding me NDP is a social democratic party it is the fundamental founding principal of the party (basically socialist who are democratic). If you think taxing business 2% will fund there programs think again. There platform an attempt to coax people to vote for them. If NDP get the rains you will see that they are no different then the other provincial NDP parties they live in a idealistic dream world where every body hugs trees and doctors do house calls no matter where you live.

Where do you see anything on the NDPs platform about taxing the working man more? Maybe I am blind?

I see they want to raise corporate taxes 2%. Nothing. About raising the working mans.... Everything I've heard from them is quite the opposite. They want large corporations and the top 10% earners to pay a little more.


The PCs want to raise your taxes, but not by actually raising them, but by sneakily doing it, by raising all kinds of other fees to dip into your wallet instead of their corporate buddies pockets. Raising tickets, alcohol, smokes, camp ground fees, land titles, health care premiums, etc etc. Cutting funding to teachers and health care, you have kids ?

PCs represent big business, look at their donations, all corporate guys. We have the lowest corporate tax in the country at 10%, raising to 12% will line is up with the rest of the country.

 

[0neoldfart]

You think these PC pricks care about the families and the little guy??


Their ONLY concern is their corporate sponsor buddies pockets, which in turn keeps them in power. Then they hand them huge government contracts, it's a huge circle of cash.

These guys with these multi million dollar companies are not having hard times or broke. They are living huge with every tax break they can get their hands on while the working man gets nickled and dimed to death on his fixed income.

Im all for business and companies, the harder the work the more you make, etc, but don't come crying like your broke and you can't afford anything. We have the lowest corporate tax in the country, a 2% raise will bring us in line with the rest of the country.

I'm all for raising the corporate tax to 12%. And I don't believe for one moment that ANY political party has the average working person's needs on their agenda. Not to pick on any one sector, but our political parties are made up of lawyers and corporate business owners (the higher income white collar taxpayers). These are people who make the laws so they do NOT have to pay taxes, or minimal tax at best, and ensure they have a fat pension or payout if they get skidded for poor performance.
As far as royalties go - it's not the answer. Drilling in Sk is marginal at best, as evidenced by rig counts from province to province. The average cost to drill a well and produce it in Alberta is higher then in Sask. Crown land sale prices are higher, right of entry and annual rent is higher, the wells are generally deeper, and the service costs are higher in Alberta. So it isn't just one thing, it's a combination of several factors. The government assumes no risk - so if the well is a dud, it's no skin off their ass. An oil company has "X" number of days to free flow the well to help recover costs, and then a percentage scale kicks in, seriously cutting back into profit margin for the company who undertook the effort (and costs incurred) to build the location, drill the well, complete it and then reclaim the parcel of land. A 4000m horizontal well will cost about $5 million from start to finish barring any screw ups, and most often production drops off exponentially with time. I've drilled wells that produced only 9-10 bbls of oil per day (and others that bring in over 400 bbl/day) - so it isn't an exact science, nor is it without risk.

 

[ZRrrr]

With all the recent news stories — as well as alarm raised by other leaders — about the fiscal and economic impact and record of NDP governments, I decided to take a look at and review the fiscal record of all federal and provincial governments in Canada for the past three decades.
These results may be surprising to some: they show that NDP governments have the best fiscal record of all political parties that have formed federal or provincial government in Canada.
Of the 52 years the NDP has formed governments in Canada since 1980, they’ve run balanced budgets for exactly half of those years and deficits the other half. This is a better record than both the Conservatives (balanced budgets 37% of years in government) and the Liberals (only 27%), as well as both Social Credit and PQ governments. See first chart below.
It’s not just the number of years of balance that is relevant: it’s also the size of the deficits or surpluses that are important. For this, the most important figure is the size of deficits as a share of GDP.
For this measure as well, NDP governments have the best record. The average balance (deficit) as a share of provincial GDP for the 52 years of NDP governments in Canada is -0.77%, compared to -1.82% for all Liberal governments and -0.82% for all Conservative governments over the past thirty years. See second chart below.
The first set of figures are for all federal and provincial governments in Canada. It’s a reasonably large sample for the major parties: 157 years of Conservative governments, 106 years of Liberal governments and 52 years of NDP governments represented at one time in all different western, central and eastern regions of Canada.

The second chart with deficit shares of GDP also shows the record for federal governments in Canada over the past thirty years. And for this, it’s a different story: Conservative governments have a worse fical record than Liberal governments: they’ve been in deficit 11 out of the 14 years (or 79%) they’ve run the federal government and run deficits averaging 3.3% of the economy, compared to an average of 2.3% for the Liberals, with 8 out of 17 years running balanced budgets.

None of this is to argue that governments shouldn’t run deficits when it is necessary and beneficial for the economy; however, it is interesting to see that there’s no little for the fearmongering about NDP governments having a poor fiscal record.
There’s consistent public accounts data on deficits for provincial and federal governments since 1980/81 through Finance Canada’s . I’ve supplemented these with more recent figures published by RBC in their report. (The data from Statscan on provincial GDP are only available from 1981, which is why this period starts one year later).
Statscan also publishes data on government finances on a “national accounts” basis: the fiscal concepts are different, but the results are similar as these. I’ve left Social Credit and PQ governments out of this second chart because they are regional parties with relatively few years in government: on average their fiscal balance has been a deficit of over 1% of GDP.

 

[Merc63]

Are you kidding me NDP is a social democratic party it is the fundamental founding principal of the party (basically socialist who are democratic). If you think taxing business 2% will fund there programs think again. There platform an attempt to coax people to vote for them. If NDP get the rains you will see that they are no different then the other provincial NDP parties they live in a idealistic dream world where every body hugs trees and doctors do house calls no matter where you live.

Cant argue with you because you haven't done your research.

NDP has voted to drop the socialism in their constitution a few years ago. They are representing the new left, which is a Center and left policy now. They aren't the NDP of the founding times, nor the NDP of even 15-20 years ago.

 

[52weekbreak]

An interesting article in the Calgary Herald.

Braid: Just how scary is Rachel Notley? | Calgary Herald

Definitely worth a read. It seems even the paper in Jim's town has had enough of the PC's

 

[LBZ]

PC royalty miscalculation robs Alberta of $13.5 billion | ThinkPol
Royalty Miscalculation Cost Alberta Billions, Expert Says | The Tyee

Probably a repost but if anyone still believes the then finance minister which supported the changes and is now premier is going to "fix" things they are delusional.

 

[Iron Horse Racing]

I actually enjoyed going through this, spend some time reading how each party answered the questions, at the end....

Not sure if someone already posted this, but I found an on-line tool to help decide who to vote for by asking you 30 questions. alberta.votecompass.ca

 

[Iron Horse Racing]

Whom ever you choose to support.

Get up..get off the couch and go and vote.....

 

[Joholio]

Heading to town shortly to vote Wildrose. I think if you can live in Ft Mac your whole life like Brian Jean, you're in it for the long run lol

 

[arff]

Going to vote this morning.


Did any of them offer free beer and hot dogs???

 

[Summitric]

Heard the green party had free spliffs, and then cookies and munchies afterwards..... Hehehehe

 

[-lenny-]

Not sure if someone already posted this, but I found an on-line tool to help decide who to vote for by asking you 30 questions. alberta.votecompass.ca

Not to split hairs, but here is the link for current leaders/platforms:

 

[Teth-Air]

here is something for you peeps to chew on before voting. Pretty sad!

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Isn't Norway next door to the huge European market that pays double or triple per litre of gasoline? Might have a little to do some of the profits realized.

 

[ZRrrr]

Anyone here work for PCL? Apparently they sent out an e-mail to all employees urging them to vote PC. I would love to see this e-mail.