deaner
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Are you serious? Lay off the doolaid man. Weight is huge. Its not the be all and end all but it makes a huge difference. Why not go buy a yammi then if weight doesnt matter?
What is the weight of the T3 's
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Are you serious? Lay off the doolaid man. Weight is huge. Its not the be all and end all but it makes a huge difference. Why not go buy a yammi then if weight doesnt matter?
maxwell
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wtf? i am not saying it does not matter
what im saying is there are people out there that actually just RIDE snowmobiles. they do not care about 20 lbs here and there or whatever it may be. drop 10 hp. cut the quality down. put a 162x15x2.4" track, and a flimsy chassis then i would care about weight forsure compare apples to apples then talk about weight. if you have 2 identical products and one weighs more then its an obvious no brainer. as far as the yammaha comment...well when your talking 100+lbs of difference then it matters so yes weight does matter. it does not matter in small form when talking about a product that outperforms in other ways. bottom line its going to be heavier than a pro rmk with all the stuff skidoo has added so i dont know why this is always a shock.
deaner
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Thats the thing though. If these are coming in heavier than expected then the gap is narrowing between them and the yammis. Talking to Neil from boost it the other day and he figures apples to apples, sleds set up with turbo kit (or not) with same size tracks......that the doos and yammis are around 50lbs apart. Now factor in 250 reliable horsepower at altitude and that 50lbs matters even less. Not sure about others, but thats why Im curious about weight.
snopro
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Factor in the Doo on boost as well then? Why just one way?
Foxstar45
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I think we are talking about a Doo that weighs 10 pounds more than another Doo. And that this does not really matter.. Now we are moving on to justifying extra weight on a $22,000 turbo 4 stroke sled in order to maintain reliability.. (over a turbo 2 stroke) People have been buying heavy 4 strokes for this very reason for 10 years now..
maxwell
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hey if its 50lbs and that much more power then your absolutely right. other factor is it also has to handle like that. so in theory the XM handles as well as the Pro rmk and 50lbs leavier. then the yamaha should handle like XM at 50lbs heavier. does it? not sure have never spent time on one.
If we are comparing price 22,000 plus for a T-Viper and at least 24,000 plus for a T-T3 weight increases some more as well with the edition of the turbo kit on the T3. I have a 174 Boost-It Viper and a TSS 163 XM and a 174 T3 They all are fun .......
Bnorth
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I care because I am tired of Ski-Doo lying about their weights. One of the big features of this sled was the 174 would weigh the same as the previous years 163. Then they eliminated the lighter can and told us it's OK, no weight change.
Polaris builds a very light sled and while it has its shortcomings it's certainly not much flimsier than an XM, there's a reason so many people run GnR braces.
Polaris builds a very light sled and while it has its shortcomings it's certainly not much flimsier than an XM, there's a reason so many people run GnR braces.
deaner
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And I dont care what anyone says about the pros....they work very well. There are a tonne of them around here and they are right there with the other two. Flimsy chassis?? Havent seen any issues with that. Bad motors and that is about it. If they are that underpowered then maybe their light wieght has something to do with that?
Skidoo has a tonne of wieght that they could easily lose. They could start with their 25lbs hood assembly, and then their 25lbs can, and then their torsion spring rear suspension, and then who knows??? Nobody is saying they need to start building tunnels out of tinfoil. There is some very easy weight to be lost on them. Some of the doo loyals on here are starting to lose any credibility with thier blind brand loyalty.
Skidoo has a tonne of wieght that they could easily lose. They could start with their 25lbs hood assembly, and then their 25lbs can, and then their torsion spring rear suspension, and then who knows??? Nobody is saying they need to start building tunnels out of tinfoil. There is some very easy weight to be lost on them. Some of the doo loyals on here are starting to lose any credibility with thier blind brand loyalty.
The claimed weight this year on the t3 was actually OVER what it actually weighed. Hence there wasn't a massive panic when they axed that lightweight can. I have a letter somewhere stating that too. But all the bill nye's on here were instantly like... "I WANT TO KNOW....RIGHT NOW WHY THE WEIGHT DIDNT CHANGE BY 4.89 POUNDS!!! RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Cant put the whole thing in here for obvious reasons but heres the just of it. Take it or leave it.
A2 - The initial objective was for the Summit X with T3 package 174 (3” in. lugs) to weigh as little as the Summit X 163 (2.5 in. lugs) and for the Summit X with T3 package 163 (3” in. lugs) to weigh as little as the Summit X 154 (2.5 in. lugs). Our weight reduction program was a success and we have in fact exceeded our weight goal. The sleds now weigh less than we originally published. This margin allowed us to switch back to the standard muffler currently used on all Summit models
A2 - The initial objective was for the Summit X with T3 package 174 (3” in. lugs) to weigh as little as the Summit X 163 (2.5 in. lugs) and for the Summit X with T3 package 163 (3” in. lugs) to weigh as little as the Summit X 154 (2.5 in. lugs). Our weight reduction program was a success and we have in fact exceeded our weight goal. The sleds now weigh less than we originally published. This margin allowed us to switch back to the standard muffler currently used on all Summit models
Bnorth
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Well there you have it folks, BRP said it's true so it must be. Glad to see since they hit their goal they decided not to keep the lightweight can to even further reduce weight.
Everybody with 5 tunnel bags and two fuel caddy's and a handbar bag a dash bag and a gas tank bag and a 40 pound backpack with a snowbungee wrapped around thier seat is going to be very upset. I said take it or leave it.... I'm deeply sorry it couldn't be 4 pounds lighter and your riding experience is ruined over it. Im not sure why I keep posting... every time I try and put some good information up or something useful there's always someone with a smarta$$ remark.. They didn't keep the can because it didn't meet emissions.. They COULDN'T keep the can......
Bnorth
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Thanks for sharing but until I see a number on a scale it's still all BRP propaganda. They have lost any credibility with claimed weight because of inaccuracies and all out fallacies in the past. 4# won't ruin anyone's riding experience but it sure won't enhance it either and when it comes to weight every little bit counts. There are plenty of guys that strap every accessory to their sled but there are also those that don't. Either way a guy on a Pro can strap all that same stuff on his sled and still be 40# lighter. If they couldn't keep the can then why do they say they could switch back, sounds more like they had to switch back.
Correct... They can. That being said you aren't comparing apples to apples either. BRP is running a wider track and at the end of the day like a broken record.... Having t-motion and a flex edge makes a huge difference. Nothing against the pro but when you are talking about weight and ergonomics... I dont think they two are comparable at the moment.
15"x2.5 to a 16"x3"........more power.........40 pounds? Brand's aside.....Ill take it... any day of the week.
Bnorth
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I will too, hands down the Ski-Doo is the best all around sled for fun, capability and reliability. IMO the Pro is a better mountain chassis though and the Summit needs to go on a diet to catch up. There is no reason that an inch of track should add 40# and the new Polaris motor while untested long term makes more power than the etec mill on the dyno. We are fortunate to have such good machines available off the showroom floor but Ski-Doo sales will suffer if the new Polaris motor proves to be reliable and make more power than the etec and the Summit doesn't drop a ton of weight and find some ponies to compete.
maxwell
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Yes the hood I definetly a place that has room for improvement. It is rather heavy for what it Is. Again it's mostly the air box which for whatever reason they claim has to be that big? I don't know
takethebounce
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Maybe once someone gets one of the T3's or both on a scale someone can work out what the pound per square inch is versus both a Polaris and Cat. I mean geash if there hasn't been enough BS'ing in this thread, might as well get a new argument going.
A 155 Pro weighs 417 pounds, how much track actually contacts the surface and how much weight per sq inch is that?
Honesty it is about as valid as the rest of these comments.
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A 155 Pro weighs 417 pounds, how much track actually contacts the surface and how much weight per sq inch is that?
Honesty it is about as valid as the rest of these comments.
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neilsleder
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If I have a t3 with a stock can, can still put a sled deck on my half ton?
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