Vegas SHOOTING

[S.W.A.T.]

in a situation where you are targeting one person not at all. In a situation when you are targeting many people and need to inflict damage before they can scatter or take cover the full auto will be more deadly.

Agree and disagree. In a crowd that size probably wouldn't have mattered, maybe more deths with a single shot, damage wise full auto more carnage but not more deadly. Both accomplish the same goal one just does it quicker but the end result is the same.

 

[Caper11]

Bingo. And most have barrel restrictions and ALL have magazine capacity restrictions. The guns are not to blame.. And I understand the "genie" is out of the bottle it just seems a little retaded to me.. Would you be cool with your neightbour in canada sitting in his backyard cleaning a fully automatic AR with 100 rounds in it? NO? So then WHY is it ok for it to be that way in the US? Im fine with the gun's themselves but WHY make it so god damn EASY to turn them into mass killing mechanisms? It seems like such a dumb thing to turn a blind eye to. "everyones all got guns anyways... May as well let them go full retard!!!!" As soon as someone can tell me a purpose for a bump stock and a 100 round magainze on that gun ill shut up and go away..... Otherwise... WHY are the legal to purchase???

The article I read, and I still don't understand the reasoning myself. The bump stock was marketed as a device to aid people with disabilities and limited movement in the hands.

 

[T-team]

The article I read, and I still don't understand the reasoning myself. The bump stock was marketed as a device to aid people with disabilities and limited movement in the hands.

And now the NRA is using it to take the heat off them. They are scared of getting regulated now they are backing the ban on the bump stock

 

[T-team]

You know somethings bad when the NRA banishes it lol

 

[neilsleder]

I cant find this article that I was reading yesterday but basically it said that in their theory it was extremely hard for this "senior" to pull off what he did. Since I have never shot a gun of that caliber I don't know if their theory warrants some truth to it. For example, this gun is very hard to handle shooting that many rounds and has tendencies to jam, heat up and a senior would have a very tough time holding it for 10 min. Navy Seals have to to extensive training to pull it off. The other issue they said this gun would cause a lot of smoke in the room and set off fire alarms, sprinklers etc. What do you guys who have experiencing in shooting think about this?

That might have some reason to why there wasn't more people hit, he might of had a hard time handling the gun. Shooting into a crowd of 22000 people you would think that there would be more dead?

 

[eclipse1966]

I am no gun expert so I cant add much on this other than what I read. But it did make sense but then again what do I know LOL.

Actually I do know one thing.......... he should have just taken a bullet to the head without the carnage he did.

That might have some reason to why there wasn't more people hit, he might of had a hard time handling the gun. Shooting into a crowd of 22000 people you would think that there would be more dead?

 

[the_real_wild1]

Ill say again people should be thankful it was a small caliber AR. Get into the bigger calibers and a full auto would not have mattered. A .338, .408 or .50 bmg into a crowd would have done more damage and it doesn't need to be shot semi or full auto to do it. These are in the non restricted category. Use a bunch of that tantarite he had with ball bearings or any metal really in a crowd and it would do a ton of damage. Or drive a truck full of explosives into a crowd. What I am trying to say is the AR ban or bump stock ban won't change things. Someone will just find another way to inflict damage.

 

[Caper11]

I cant find this article that I was reading yesterday but basically it said that in their theory it was extremely hard for this "senior" to pull off what he did. Since I have never shot a gun of that caliber I don't know if their theory warrants some truth to it. For example, this gun is very hard to handle shooting that many rounds and has tendencies to jam, heat up and a senior would have a very tough time holding it for 10 min. Navy Seals have to to extensive training to pull it off. The other issue they said this gun would cause a lot of smoke in the room and set off fire alarms, sprinklers etc. What do you guys who have experiencing in shooting think about this?

I dunno about that theory, when yah think of the operation of a bump stock, combined with the slide action of a semi auto, I'm thinking the bump stock equipped rifle would be easier to control.

The bump stock would be a recoil absorber.

 

[the_real_wild1]

Not much rise on a 223 or 308 ar. Also won't work with a bipod so he was probably standing when shooting the bump stock.

 

[Caper11]

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[freeflorider]

Ill say again people should be thankful it was a small caliber AR. Get into the bigger calibers and a full auto would not have mattered. A .338, .408 or .50 bmg into a crowd would have done more damage and it doesn't need to be shot semi or full auto to do it. These are in the non restricted category. Use a bunch of that tantarite he had with ball bearings or any metal really in a crowd and it would do a ton of damage. Or drive a truck full of explosives into a crowd. What I am trying to say is the AR ban or bump stock ban won't change things. Someone will just find another way to inflict damage.

Bingo! With the right know how one can enter a Canadian tire, a bulk plant, and a farmers supply store and build something of mass destruction that would make any ar/ak look like something kids play with.
Getting your hands on hi grade explosives is easy, supriced there not used more offen.

 

[S.W.A.T.]

Bingo! With the right know how one can enter a Canadian tire, a bulk plant, and a farmers supply store and build something of mass destruction that would make any ar/ak look like something kids play with.
Getting your hands on hi grade explosives is easy, supriced there not used more offen.

Just house hold products alone. Don't take much.

 

[neilsleder]

I am no gun expert so I cant add much on this other than what I read. But it did make sense but then again what do I know LOL.

Actually I do know one thing.......... he should have just taken a bullet to the head without the carnage he did.

Yup he should of fired one shot only! Into his head!

 

[Summitric]

with 58 dead and over 550 injured, I think he did enough damaged from that range... he was apparently trying to hit the jet fuel storage containers on the other side of the concert, just inside the airport fence as well, but luckily none of the bullets penetrated the tanks. Good thing he wasn't able to obtain the "tracer" bullets he was looking for, or far more injuries/deaths would have occurred.....

 

[snochuk]

Bingo! With the right know how one can enter a Canadian tire, a bulk plant, and a farmers supply store and build something of mass destruction that would make any ar/ak look like something kids play with.
Getting your hands on hi grade explosives is easy, supriced there not used more offen.

Ya don't think you can buy any bulk ammonia nitrate fertilizer any more. Not even 34-00 around that I know of.
No farming any more so could be wrong.

 

[snopro]

Agree and disagree. In a crowd that size probably wouldn't have mattered, maybe more deths with a single shot, damage wise full auto more carnage but not more deadly. Both accomplish the same goal one just does it quicker but the end result is the same.

Totally disagree. Full auto on a congested crowd is far deadlier. All he has to do is point and spray. Once people start moving he is gonna have a hard time hitting people on a run with a single shot bolt action rifle. Also take into account he would have smaller mags and be changing them more often and bolt action reloading would take up valuable time. I can almost guarantee he pointed and sprayed blindly hoping to hit as many as he could. Probably shot with the flow of the crowds running
direction as well. A trained sniper can lead subjects and knock them down, not this guy, or at least not intentionally.

 

[the_real_wild1]

Totally disagree. Full auto on a congested crowd is far deadlier. All he has to do is point and spray. Once people start moving he is gonna have a hard time hitting people on a run with a single shot bolt action rifle. Also take into account he would have smaller mags and be changing them more often and bolt action reloading would take up valuable time. I can almost guarantee he pointed and sprayed blindly hoping to hit as many as he could. Probably shot with the flow of the crowds running
direction as well. A trained sniper can lead subjects and knock them down, not this guy, or at least not intentionally.

With a larger round it is possible to take out multiple target with devastating force with single rounds. Such force is not survivable as it will not leave smaller holes but take out entire limbs etc. some of the video I have seen is horrific and I am glad I have only seen video and not with my own eyes.

 

[Summitric]

A lot of the injuries were a result of the bullets ricocheting off the ashpalt, small buildings, etc. In the area

 

[snopro]

A larger calibre will do more damage for sure but there would have been less fatalities. A single .338 or 50 bmg round every 10 seconds compared to 25 rounds from a .223 every second is a no brainer. The .223 is the standard in the US military right now because of less recoil creating better accuracy. I can guarantee you if he had a 338 or 50 bolt action he would have been there for days shooting 10,000 rounds like they say he did and his shoulder would have left him long before that from recoil injuries.

 

[S.W.A.T.]

Still doesn't make it more deadly. Obviously if you through enough arrows at the board more will stick. But a .223 from a single shot is the same as a .223 from a full auto. It's still a .223