Summiteer
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Use your imagination. Pretty much every semiautomatic rifle and handgun not specifically designed for competitive shooting would qualify I guess. (Maybe not shotguns).
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Use your imagination. Pretty much every semiautomatic rifle and handgun not specifically designed for competitive shooting would qualify I guess. (Maybe not shotguns).
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the_real_wild1
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I think a semi auto shotgun would be the most scary in an environment where most of these shooting took place.
Riverjet
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Would a Sig Sauer 1911 Target 45ACP SA only be OK? Then how about a Sig Sauer P226 SA/DA 9mm? Which one is specifically designed for killing people? If it is a Target model is it OK because it's a target model, but if not a target model they need to be made hard to get? What exactly determines if a gun is made specifically for killing people? Would it be any gun used by police/military?
Riverjet
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medler
I love guns
I do agree that US needs stricter laws. Can be as easy as a 10 min thing to buy a rifle or handgun some hoops to jump though is needed
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medler
I love guns
Canada is very strict and I don't pizz around when it comes to the rules
SledMamma
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A little story that I hope will help some of you think carefully about this issue:
This happened the week before Christmas, my birthday actually. All I saw when the ambulance brought her in was a tiny hole just below the left side of her rib cage. It kinda looked like a melted chocolate chip, if you really care to know. No other marks would bely the devastating damage that lay beneath. Just as she was transferred to our ER Trauma bed, the heart monitor began to blare. Her heart had flipped into a rhythm that was incompatible with life. A nurse started compressions while I intubated and bagged her... her eyes closing for the last time. And so it began: four grueling hours of trying to save the life of an 18 year old girl, shot ACCIDENTALLY by her own boyfriend with a LEGALLY OBTAINED .22 caliber gun as her parents and brother watched. Never in my career have I done CPR as the surgeon did a thoracotomy, splitting her tiny body from stem to sternum, but this day I did. Over and over we brought her back, only to have the threads of her life, blipping across the monitor fade away again and again. We brought in her family so they could see how hard we were trying to save her. So that they would at least know, if she didn't make it, that the team who worked on her gave a ch!t: that we cried buckets as we hung IV's, pumped in blood and urged her lungs to accept the breaths we offered. Finally, it seemed as if something held together and we made a dash for the O.R., racing her open body and pouring wound through the hallways to one last ditch attempt at life. Three surgeons worked tirelessly, clamping her aorta and repairing the damage as they discovered it, but the blood just wouldn't seem to cease finding a source. As fast as the fluid went into her, it filled her lungs and seeped out her endotracheal tube. Having done every last procedure they could think of, the surgeons piled her back together, unable to close the gash across her abdomen because of all the trauma that had laid its hand inside of her. They covered her and she made the trip to ICU. She would either make it now or her family would say goodbye. Ten minutes after her arrival, loved one after loved one after loved one filed in to lay their tears on her broken body and say a final farewell. There was no life left. While they watched, I suctioned as much of the frothy blood from her lungs as I could and turned off the ventilator. My voice failed me and I whispered a silent "I'm sorry" that rang empty in the air. There are no words for the hurt that enveloped those people. Beyond reason. Beyond imagination. Haunting to this day... I finished my night shift in a blur, and returned home, but sleep never comes easy after something like that. I can only imagine how her family tries to erase those visuals and compartmentalize the brutality of it.
I have debated whether or not to tell this story, but in the end decided that if it helps even one person decide that the gun they keep in their home with children is too big of a liability, it is worth it. And if it makes even one of you lock your guns up a little tighter or move them to a different location, then it is worth it. Bottom line: Guns DO kill people when in the wrong hands... The common denominator is ALWAYS the gun- careless people with butter knives rarely kill people... But careless people with GUNS do... If you could ask that girl's family what they would do differently, what do you think they would say? A father of a boy who turned a gun on two of his school mates appeared on TV shortly after the Sandy Hook killings, and his answer to that question was that he wouldn't have had a gun. He knew his son struggled socially and academically. The father described how his heart had broke over and over watching his son struggle to gain his footing in society, and how every avenue he tried to get his boy help turned up fruitless. His little boy was lost and he knew it, but he said he truly never imagined the horror that would ensue when his son made the move to take back the power and influence he felt he had lost, or never had. And according to Dad, the only thing that could have changed what happened that day, was if he hadn't been able to get to the locked gun cabinet to procure a weapon; or, if he hadn't had a gun. Do you think that the mother of the murderer in Sandy Hook ever imagined that he would turn her legal guns on her, take her life and begin assassinating six year olds. Reality is, we never see massacres coming because no normal person can truly imagine such devastation at the hands of someone they know.
Something has to change.
On the same day as the Newton Conneticut massacre, 20 children were hacked up by a knife wielding madman all the way across the globe in China. None of those children died... The lethal potential of a knife is not as great as that of a gun. While both do harm in the hands of a madman, only one takes lives as swiftly and surely as a gun. We can never control the madmen, even if our healthcare systems are perfect. So the next agenda has to be protecting the children and innocent to the best of our ability. If it was your kid's life at stake would you choose China or Conneticut?
I don't believe in gun control either, but somewhere along the way we have made it okay to issue guns to a public who take the responsibility of owning a gun far too lightly and thus fail to control their own guns? I don't know the answer, but I do know that whether it is one dead 18 year old or 20 dead 6 year olds at an elementary school, it is too much heartache in a world so small.
Kiss your loved ones and be thankful for a simple life in a peaceful country. <3
This happened the week before Christmas, my birthday actually. All I saw when the ambulance brought her in was a tiny hole just below the left side of her rib cage. It kinda looked like a melted chocolate chip, if you really care to know. No other marks would bely the devastating damage that lay beneath. Just as she was transferred to our ER Trauma bed, the heart monitor began to blare. Her heart had flipped into a rhythm that was incompatible with life. A nurse started compressions while I intubated and bagged her... her eyes closing for the last time. And so it began: four grueling hours of trying to save the life of an 18 year old girl, shot ACCIDENTALLY by her own boyfriend with a LEGALLY OBTAINED .22 caliber gun as her parents and brother watched. Never in my career have I done CPR as the surgeon did a thoracotomy, splitting her tiny body from stem to sternum, but this day I did. Over and over we brought her back, only to have the threads of her life, blipping across the monitor fade away again and again. We brought in her family so they could see how hard we were trying to save her. So that they would at least know, if she didn't make it, that the team who worked on her gave a ch!t: that we cried buckets as we hung IV's, pumped in blood and urged her lungs to accept the breaths we offered. Finally, it seemed as if something held together and we made a dash for the O.R., racing her open body and pouring wound through the hallways to one last ditch attempt at life. Three surgeons worked tirelessly, clamping her aorta and repairing the damage as they discovered it, but the blood just wouldn't seem to cease finding a source. As fast as the fluid went into her, it filled her lungs and seeped out her endotracheal tube. Having done every last procedure they could think of, the surgeons piled her back together, unable to close the gash across her abdomen because of all the trauma that had laid its hand inside of her. They covered her and she made the trip to ICU. She would either make it now or her family would say goodbye. Ten minutes after her arrival, loved one after loved one after loved one filed in to lay their tears on her broken body and say a final farewell. There was no life left. While they watched, I suctioned as much of the frothy blood from her lungs as I could and turned off the ventilator. My voice failed me and I whispered a silent "I'm sorry" that rang empty in the air. There are no words for the hurt that enveloped those people. Beyond reason. Beyond imagination. Haunting to this day... I finished my night shift in a blur, and returned home, but sleep never comes easy after something like that. I can only imagine how her family tries to erase those visuals and compartmentalize the brutality of it.
I have debated whether or not to tell this story, but in the end decided that if it helps even one person decide that the gun they keep in their home with children is too big of a liability, it is worth it. And if it makes even one of you lock your guns up a little tighter or move them to a different location, then it is worth it. Bottom line: Guns DO kill people when in the wrong hands... The common denominator is ALWAYS the gun- careless people with butter knives rarely kill people... But careless people with GUNS do... If you could ask that girl's family what they would do differently, what do you think they would say? A father of a boy who turned a gun on two of his school mates appeared on TV shortly after the Sandy Hook killings, and his answer to that question was that he wouldn't have had a gun. He knew his son struggled socially and academically. The father described how his heart had broke over and over watching his son struggle to gain his footing in society, and how every avenue he tried to get his boy help turned up fruitless. His little boy was lost and he knew it, but he said he truly never imagined the horror that would ensue when his son made the move to take back the power and influence he felt he had lost, or never had. And according to Dad, the only thing that could have changed what happened that day, was if he hadn't been able to get to the locked gun cabinet to procure a weapon; or, if he hadn't had a gun. Do you think that the mother of the murderer in Sandy Hook ever imagined that he would turn her legal guns on her, take her life and begin assassinating six year olds. Reality is, we never see massacres coming because no normal person can truly imagine such devastation at the hands of someone they know.
Something has to change.
On the same day as the Newton Conneticut massacre, 20 children were hacked up by a knife wielding madman all the way across the globe in China. None of those children died... The lethal potential of a knife is not as great as that of a gun. While both do harm in the hands of a madman, only one takes lives as swiftly and surely as a gun. We can never control the madmen, even if our healthcare systems are perfect. So the next agenda has to be protecting the children and innocent to the best of our ability. If it was your kid's life at stake would you choose China or Conneticut?
I don't believe in gun control either, but somewhere along the way we have made it okay to issue guns to a public who take the responsibility of owning a gun far too lightly and thus fail to control their own guns? I don't know the answer, but I do know that whether it is one dead 18 year old or 20 dead 6 year olds at an elementary school, it is too much heartache in a world so small.
Kiss your loved ones and be thankful for a simple life in a peaceful country. <3
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the_real_wild1
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So again this is a story about banning guns.
SledMamma
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So again, you didn't read what I wrote. They should give YOU a gun and call it "control".
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medler
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Scary story S.M. Thanks for sharing.
Summiteer
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I guess none of them should be as easy to buy as a lawnmower whatever their design, good of you to point that out.....
Where in this thread, other than YOU, is there talk about banning guns?
We are talking about CONTROL.
Some people just don't get it.....
Thanks for the writeup SledMamma!
We are talking about CONTROL.
Some people just don't get it.....
Thanks for the writeup SledMamma!
the_real_wild1
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People are saying more control. There is control now. So what is the next step after control? It has been said that it is easy to buy a gun in the states. Only takes a phone call. In reality I can walk in a store here with cash and walk out with a gun too. What is the difference?
These are very sad stories. But the truth is everyone should be more focused on issues that do more harm. Lets look at drunk drivers. They kill and maim more then anyone. Why is there more booze control?
These are very sad stories. But the truth is everyone should be more focused on issues that do more harm. Lets look at drunk drivers. They kill and maim more then anyone. Why is there more booze control?
the_real_wild1
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I think I need to start posting stories of guns saving lives. There is a new show on. Can't remember the name. It is 911 calls as they happened. One older lady called as there was someone trying to break into her house. The guy went after her and she had shot him in self defense. The cops were about 40 min away. For every one bad story if I felt like taking the time I could dig 10 stories out of a life being saved. It is also called self defense. If you think you don't need it then you are just being nieve(sp?) hopefully you will never need to defend yourself or family but I would rather be the one telling the story of what happened and arguing this bs vs someone telling the story of me. .
eclipse1966
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like cuso said, no one here said to ban guns. How about look at it this way, not sure of the laws in AB about getting a drivers license but here in BC it is a lengthy process from writing a test, then do a drivers test then on probation for 2 years (I believe it is 2 years) with the "N" as a new driver. This is in place to make sure you can drive with responsibility. Of course not all are good drivers. On the other hand, getting a gun in the states is a very simple process not requiring any sort of process to prove you are capable / responsible of owning a gun. Kind of silly. The guy that shot the firemen had a 24 year girl go and buy the weapons used. Do you think it should be so easy for her to just simply walk into a gun store and do so?
the_real_wild1
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I am done. This thread once again has gone to ch!t. A lot of it my fault. I feel it has become disrespectful to the firefighters that were involved. Sorry to the firefighters on this board.
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medler
I love guns
Ya. The point of this thread I started was that some wacko baited innocent people doing their job and killed them. Very sick.
Not upset the thread went sideways. I don't care about that
Cheers ! It's Friday lol
Not upset the thread went sideways. I don't care about that
Cheers ! It's Friday lol
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Thanks Mike..
They guys on my platoon went to the funerals. We had a talk about the trip today. Unreal is all I can say of the situation.
Very sad.
Eignap56
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Well said... Also some very valid points made.. Your right "Something does have to change". But what can the change be? Gun control is not going to identify or alter mental illness. Sometimes the word "if" is eight cylinders long. It doesn't matter if it is 1 or 20, it's still to many & so very tragic. My heart just aches for each & every one of those families in Newton. I could never imagine the pain & suffering those families will endure for the rest of their lives. I don't think the Mother of that kid ever thought he was capable of causing such mayhem. I have guns in my safe at home & both of my boys have the combination to that safe as they have guns in there also. I feel confident that all of those guns in our safe will be used in a safe & legal manner. But who can see into the future????
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