Un real !!!

[Summiteer]

I am a Canadian. I am proud to be.

I think more people ought to own guns. We in Canada do not have any reason to look down on our American brothers. We come from the same blood. We have some very sick people in Canada too. I believe in my right to own a gun. I also believe that the death penalty should never have been removed. I also do not agree with prisoners rights. I also believe that if you are on welfare or unemployment insurance, you should have to be drug tested.

I do agree in policing the purchase of firearms. Background checks and a license to own a gun makes sense. This teaches gun safety and the responsibilities and accountabilities of gun ownership. Everyone should have the right to follow this process to enjoy gun ownership. That being said, if you give up your right to own a gun by committing a serious crime, then it's your own fault.

Obviously our opinions on guns are different. I am also betting that our opinions on government are different too.

Right around 86 people die every day from gunshot wounds in the US. Really nothing else needs to be said.


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[the_real_wild1]

Right around 86 people die every day from gunshot wounds in the US. Really nothing else needs to be said.


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How many of those are in Texas or Florida?

 

[Nathansharkey]

Right around 86 people die every day from gunshot wounds in the US. Really nothing else needs to be said.


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They also have 10 times more people than we do. They have a much larger gang and drug problem. They have a lot more bad guys. They have their own unique social problems.

Do you think that they have more guns killing people? So how many guns are killing people?

There are a lot more bad guys to defend yourself from. I would assume that a lot of bad guys are killing each other or being killed by law abiding citizens or being killed by police officers.

 

[eclipse1966]

not many know this but try buying a pallet of hydrogen peroxide in Canada/US. Since the Oklahoma bombings, both governments have made producers and wholesalers be accountable where this is being sold and to whom. I used to buy it for a customers of ours until my supplier asked me to fill out pages of information and to do a criminal check as well. So, here is an example of tighter control on bomb making material but to get a semi auto seems much easier.

There are more weapons out there then bats or knives. If the crazies want to kill a lot of people you really think they are going to use a knife or bat? I would suspect they would use homemade bombs. Or vehicles. Think about it.

 

[the_real_wild1]

I am pretty sure that are other methods available.

 

[Riverjet]

The Oklahoma city bombing was ammonium nitrate and nitromethane. Better keep a close eye on those race car driving farmers out there.

not many know this but try buying a pallet of hydrogen peroxide in Canada/US. Since the Oklahoma bombings, both governments have made producers and wholesalers be accountable where this is being sold and to whom. I used to buy it for a customers of ours until my supplier asked me to fill out pages of information and to do a criminal check as well. So, here is an example of tighter control on bomb making material but to get a semi auto seems much easier.

 

[fredw]

need 32-00... cant get that anymore up, only in the us

The Oklahoma city bombing was ammonium nitrate and nitromethane. Better keep a close eye on those race car driving farmers out there.

 

[Nathansharkey]

None of the anti-gun folks have answered my question. How many guns killed a single human being? I don't know of a single person killed by a gun. How many people are killed by a car? How many are killed by cigarettes? How many are killed by a bucket of KFC? How many are killed by fires? How many jobs have killed workers?

 

[Summiteer]

None of the anti-gun folks have answered my question. How many guns killed a single human being? I don't know of a single person killed by a gun. How many people are killed by a car? How many are killed by cigarettes? How many are killed by a bucket of KFC? How many are killed by fires? How many jobs have killed workers?

By your reasoning war hasn't killed anyone either. Why should we hate on war?
So are you saying that the number of guns out on the street has nothing to do with the number of people killed by guns? I like our gun laws here, they are fine. I don't think that any law abiding citizen NEEDS a gun for protection. That being said, as long as you qualify and jump through the hoops, there is no reason not to have one. What I don't understand is with all the gun violence that goes on in the US compared to here, why anyone would want to make Canada more like the US in that respect.

 

[SledMamma]

They also have 10 times more people than we do. They have a much larger gang and drug problem. They have a lot more bad guys. They have their own unique social problems.

Do you think that they have more guns killing people? So how many guns are killing people?

There are a lot more bad guys to defend yourself from. I would assume that a lot of bad guys are killing each other or being killed by law abiding citizens or being killed by police officers.

Weak. There are plenty of anecdotes and assumptions in your argument. You must really enjoy your rose tinted glasses. Good for you...

 

[the_real_wild1]

The reason so many people are defensive about their guns is the exact same reason people are defensive about sledding. Every time there is an avalanche or a child is killed on a snowmobile people come out of the woodwork and want to ban them.

What it boils down to if someone is set on doing harm to another they will usually do it. Have you ever stopped eating because you couldn't find a fork? Or did you just grab a spoon?

 

[eclipse1966]

true but the tightened regulations was based on this incident according the the letter I got from the source.

The Oklahoma city bombing was ammonium nitrate and nitromethane. Better keep a close eye on those race car driving farmers out there.

 

[eclipse1966]

I am not "anti-gun folk" and it is true not a single gun has killed a human being. BUT, human beings with guns have killed millions.

None of the anti-gun folks have answered my question. How many guns killed a single human being? I don't know of a single person killed by a gun. How many people are killed by a car? How many are killed by cigarettes? How many are killed by a bucket of KFC? How many are killed by fires? How many jobs have killed workers?

 

[Summiteer]

The reason so many people are defensive about their guns is the exact same reason people are defensive about sledding. Every time there is an avalanche or a child is killed on a snowmobile people come out of the woodwork and want to ban them.

What it boils down to if someone is set on doing harm to another they will usually do it. Have you ever stopped eating because you couldn't find a fork? Or did you just grab a spoon?

A good number of people are killed in the heat of the moment, or by accident and would not be dead if some clueless dolt didnt have access to a gun. Make it a little inconvenient and some people wont get guns and maybe a few more folks will live a little longer. It should not be as easy to purchase a tool specifically designed to kill people in large numbers as it is to buy a lawnmower.

 

[the_real_wild1]

Agreed. The issue I have is problem with is people think that banning guns will fix it. It won't. Most of the crimes are with illegal guns to start with. To buy a gun legally is not an easy process to begin with. Like mentioned before instead of wasting billions of dollars on a legal registry the governments should be spending that money on programs to deal with criminals and get them off the street permantly

 

[Riverjet]

Which tool are you specifically referring to?

A good number of people are killed in the heat of the moment, or by accident and would not be dead if some clueless dolt didnt have access to a gun. Make it a little inconvenient and some people wont get guns and maybe a few more folks will live a little longer. It should not be as easy to purchase a tool specifically designed to kill people in large numbers as it is to buy a lawnmower.

 

[CUSO]

So, do you really think that if these mass shooters didn't have access to guns, they would use knives? I would not hesitate intervening a knife wielding person if it came to life and death situation. What about a gun? I would think trice.

The reason so many people are defensive about their guns is the exact same reason people are defensive about sledding. Every time there is an avalanche or a child is killed on a snowmobile people come out of the woodwork and want to ban them.

What it boils down to if someone is set on doing harm to another they will usually do it. Have you ever stopped eating because you couldn't find a fork? Or did you just grab a spoon?

Why do so many people think that stricter gun laws would mean banning? There is no way they could totally ban, because there would be anarchy. That is quite obvious. It doesn't take rocket surgery to see that.

But to control certain weapons, little things like the person who sells a used gun has to fill out a form, and so does the buyer. These forms have to be checked by police or some government authority. It would have to be cleared, and then the buyer can take it. If the gun and original owner is clean, and the new prospective buyer is clean, then the gun sale can be finalized.

If a guy went up to a buyer and he found that he had to sign over the responsibility to himself, or risk being exposed.... then he would probably walk if he was going to use it for malice.

I know this sounds like a pain in the ass, but you know, if it saves a life or 10... Who can argue?

Oh and guns don't kill people.... PEOPLE with guns kill people.

 

[the_real_wild1]

You don't have a gun license do you? These checks are already in place here. Kinda like a drivers license. You have to prove yourself before you get your license for both drivers and gun owners. It has to be renewed every five years. These checks are in place for both buyer and seller. Now it is up to the seller if they want to sell to someone without a license, but if that gun is already registered that you would be pretty dumb to sell it without the paperwork which involves a call to the rcmp. Now remember this is for Canada. As for the U.S. I don't know the laws for each state nor do I care as it doesn't affect me. BUT are we really bitching about them or us here???? I want to know.

 

[CUSO]

I have no problem with Canada's gun laws.

This thread is not about the Canadian system,

From what I read, in the U.S. you can buy any firearm used privately without papers. Just cash'N'go

You don't have a gun license do you? These checks are already in place here. Kinda like a drivers license. You have to prove yourself before you get your license for both drivers and gun owners. It has to be renewed every five years. These checks are in place for both buyer and seller. Now it is up to the seller if they want to sell to someone without a license, but if that gun is already registered that you would be pretty dumb to sell it without the paperwork which involves a call to the rcmp. Now remember this is for Canada. As for the U.S. I don't know the laws for each state nor do I care as it doesn't affect me. BUT are we really bitching about them or us here???? I want to know.

 

[the_real_wild1]

Ok but what is the difference between doing that there legally in some states vs illegally? I am sure if they make the same mistaken laws we did it will only stop a small fraction from buying guns. Believe me there will still be a ch!t ton of guns sold.