Sooo if a guy was coming back...?

[ferniesnow]

That's no help Doug haha jk. would you advise staying away from a 154? if only getting into the steep N deep 4-5 times a year.

Lee, it depends on how you ride and what you like to ride. IMHO, the 154 can be fun in the mountains if you are a light weight acrobatic rider. A good rider will pretty much follow a 165 on most days other than the fresh deep pow days. I do know that the 165's have cooling issues on the prairie trails and low snow. Some days, even in the mountains on the groomed trail, the 165 has cooling issues. Pretty common on a 3" track.

 

[tex78]

Buy a XM or T3, less disappointment when it sits there and you realize you can’t get out as much as you think you will. I’m thinking of jumping back in as well, Joe is just about ready.

You and Dave come out to my place and stay in the loft, ride sicamous

 

[skegpro]

Well Dave, interesting opening post. You didn't mention the last sled that you had; a Rev, XP, or an XM but I will say the G4 is head and shoulders above and the improvements are amazing (starting in '08 we have bought 10 new Doos so I think we have a handle on what's going on). We have had 3 G4's (all 165 x 3") and no issues with regards to belts and heat (2 '17's, an '18 and a snow checked '19). We are not chute climbers on long wide open pulls but rather shorter tree riding pulls in deep snow. It will be hard to separate the BS regarding a used sled and who knows what really is a good sled on Kijiji as it is hard to find honest people these days. The "updates" for the '17's could include a new type of belt, finned secondary clutch face, wiring harness fix, motor mount shims, and a brace or support for the bulkhead. Some got them all and others picked some of the updates and didn't get others.

We bought 2 17's and both were great sleds and both were on original belts. My wife's sled popped a motor with 1357 km on it. A freaky thing and the service people didn't know what caused it. That year I toured 200 people in the trees around Fernie and there was not one issue with a G4 and it was a very popular release that year. Lots of the '17's were great and had no issues. IMHO, the "power" isn't noticeable with the 850 (6% more cc's.....big whoppy deal) but the big difference is the track/gearing and the torque that is produced. A great sled to ride and will get you to places easier that other sleds only dreamed about.

From what I have read, BRP has a program this year for any of the known G4 belt eaters to have some upgrades done to motor mounts, etc.. (not sure what else but Norona did a write-up about it a while ago). If you can find a "clean sled" and you feel you can trust the seller go for it. I don't think you will be disappointed.

So let me get this straight.
You popped an engine an the mechanics have no idea what failed?

They just simply replaced the engine?

Maybe try the kill switch first?

 

[LennyR]

Holy sh! T are you polluted with Polaris gin and juice

Spoken while wearing his Doo Jammie's and guzzling copious amounts of doolaid !!! LOL

 

[1200]

G4 are fun till the belt ****s off . Lol . They are easyer to ride but who cares . T3 still better . 18 cat nice also . Been looking at 19 g4 lots of upgrades over the 18 s . Maybe this is the year . New Yamaha is fun more money tho. I think the yammie is the way these 2 stokes are so slow .

 

[ferniesnow]

So let me get this straight.
You popped an engine an the mechanics have no idea what failed?

They just simply replaced the engine?

Maybe try the kill switch first?

You sure have a habit of twisting things around.

I explained the whole scenario last winter but to refresh your memory we took the sled to the dealer. It was quite an ordeal to get it out of the bush at -25 but we did it without a chopper. They opened it up and it was a mess. Service manager said, "when you pop a motor you sure do a good job!" I'm assuming that it was such a mess that they couldn't tell/find the initial problem.

You have a bad taste in your mouth regarding the G4's and it shows in most posts. It is time to move on and I hope you enjoy your ride this winter.

 

[skegpro]

You sure have a habit of twisting things around.

I explained the whole scenario last winter but to refresh your memory we took the sled to the dealer. It was quite an ordeal to get it out of the bush at -25 but we did it without a chopper. They opened it up and it was a mess. Service manager said, "when you pop a motor you sure do a good job!" I'm assuming that it was such a mess that they couldn't tell/find the initial problem.

You have a bad taste in your mouth regarding the G4's and it shows in most posts. It is time to move on and I hope you enjoy your ride this winter.

So could they at least tell if the crank went or did you scortch piston?

Or did a nuclear bomb just go off and they couldn't identify any of the numerous pieces that make up an engine?

Me twist?
Or you try to cover up?
Got any pictures maybe we can figure it out for you.

 

[snopro]

So let me get this straight.
You popped an engine an the mechanics have no idea what failed?

They just simply replaced the engine?

Maybe try the kill switch first?

Motor was hurt bad. BRP requested a BUDS report and the complete motor back in a box and shipped a new one for replacement. They were gonna tear it down and investigate the cause themselves.

 

[niner]

Just buy a 175 g4 and don’t look back. That will be the sled to beat this winter.

 

[Alpine_Bound]

I have a 17 with 3200 Km on it, has had a few notable issues so far,

Threads were pulled for the bolt that secures the belt tensioner, allowing the secondary to go fully open and destroyed my first belt. This showed up on my 3rd ride on it. Then the engine just randomly would not start after shutting it off with less than 500 km on the sled, I was left on my own to figure this one out, turned out to be a shorted grip heater. The pipe fell apart around 2200km and was replaced on warranty. Rave valve servo motor failed at about 2900 km and was replaced on warranty. Took the sled in to the dealer at the 3200 km mark because it wasn't starting well and not holding RPM, was told the pistons had collapsed and compression was down to 100 psi. New top end installed on warranty after waiting 2 months for parts.

I am only on my 3rd belt with it, I don't really count the 1st one so I can't say its been any worse on belts than the last 4 Summits I have owned. I would recommend a lightly used or holdover 18 over a 17, but mine is for sale if you are interested in a 17 with a fresh top end

 

[Ballzdeep]

I have a 17 with 3200 Km on it, has had a few notable issues so far,

Threads were pulled for the bolt that secures the belt tensioner, allowing the secondary to go fully open and destroyed my first belt. This showed up on my 3rd ride on it. Then the engine just randomly would not start after shutting it off with less than 500 km on the sled, I was left on my own to figure this one out, turned out to be a shorted grip heater. The pipe fell apart around 2200km and was replaced on warranty. Rave valve servo motor failed at about 2900 km and was replaced on warranty. Took the sled in to the dealer at the 3200 km mark because it wasn't starting well and not holding RPM, was told the pistons had collapsed and compression was down to 100 psi. New top end installed on warranty after waiting 2 months for parts.

I am only on my 3rd belt with it, I don't really count the 1st one so I can't say its been any worse on belts than the last 4 Summits I have owned. I would recommend a lightly used or holdover 18 over a 17, but mine is for sale if you are interested in a 17 with a fresh top end

PM'd ya

 

[DaveB]

Just buy a 175 g4 and don’t look back. That will be the sled to beat this winter.

This whole idea (thread) was started because I saw a couple of ‘17’s on Kijiji for less than $10k. Ya, I can afford a new one, but (shhhhhh) the deal I got with “The War Dept” is that I can buy a ditch banger. She doesn’t know that ditch bangers don’t have 174’s....but she does know if I drop more than $10k.....
Lol, year after year I bought new sleds and always tore the decals off....all my buds (many of you on here) figured I just liked black with no graphics. Reality was, wife never had a clue I had a new sled every year. Haha. (True story)

 

[snopro]

Fear no woman Dave!!!!

 

[Dazzler]

This whole idea (thread) was started because I saw a couple of ‘17’s on Kijiji for less than $10k. Ya, I can afford a new one, but (shhhhhh) the deal I got with “The War Dept” is that I can buy a ditch banger. She doesn’t know that ditch bangers don’t have 174’s....but she does know if I drop more than $10k.....
Lol, year after year I bought new sleds and always tore the decals off....all my buds (many of you on here) figured I just liked black with no graphics. Reality was, wife never had a clue I had a new sled every year. Haha. (True story)

Lol, I used to play that game with the wife also, but I got tired of the same colour sled. Now we have an agreement that I stay out of her shoe closet and she stays out of my shop.. I had my daughter do some spying for me, she could be playing me like a fiddle but she thinks the shoe collection is kicking my sled collections azz!! So I have a new 850 Axy and the new Indy evo 550 (for grandkids) coming. ��

 

[tex78]

This whole idea (thread) was started because I saw a couple of ‘17’s on Kijiji for less than $10k. Ya, I can afford a new one, but (shhhhhh) the deal I got with “The War Dept” is that I can buy a ditch banger. She doesn’t know that ditch bangers don’t have 174’s....but she does know if I drop more than $10k.....
Lol, year after year I bought new sleds and always tore the decals off....all my buds (many of you on here) figured I just liked black with no graphics. Reality was, wife never had a clue I had a new sled every year. Haha. (True story)

Omg Dave, that's soooooooooo funny, I can see her saying it too


Man I miss camping with you guys

 

[skegpro]

This whole idea (thread) was started because I saw a couple of ‘17’s on Kijiji for less than $10k. Ya, I can afford a new one, but (shhhhhh) the deal I got with “The War Dept” is that I can buy a ditch banger. She doesn’t know that ditch bangers don’t have 174’s....but she does know if I drop more than $10k.....
Lol, year after year I bought new sleds and always tore the decals off....all my buds (many of you on here) figured I just liked black with no graphics. Reality was, wife never had a clue I had a new sled every year. Haha. (True story)

You are my hero.

 

[deaner]

To answer your original post, staying completely objective and leaving any brand loyalty aside.........skidoo is the best mountain machine that has ever been or will be produced. It just is what it is.

 

[ferniesnow]

To answer your original post, staying completely objective and leaving any brand loyalty aside.........skidoo is the best mountain machine that has ever been or will be produced. It just is what it is.

I like it and that statement will bring some life into this thread.......

 

[skegpro]

Keeping it positive.

Skidoo has the most economical R&D.

 

[thegeneral]

I ride with pretty much all Doo's and I don't know a single person that has had belt issues on their 17. I got 868 km on my first belt.(260lb rider usually WOT) I'm old and fat and this sled makes me look good, maybe that's why I like it so much. sure I'm biased but the only thing that really outperformed this sled in the trees was a 610 KTM with a 137" Yeti kit.
If you can get one for 10K with less than 2500 km on it, I'd ay Doo it.