skegpro
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They will probably just stop making them, no need anymore now that you can do everything with a 150
Sled deck on 1/2 ton?
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Stompin Tom
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all the ones with big payloads have astericks beside them, what are they about?
doorfx
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Those trucks have the HD payload/towing package running 18" wheels
imdoo'n
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10-9-8-
tex78
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Not asleep, just done with people who think two mountain sleds, on a deck, on a half ton is ok
takethebounce
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Chrisp1
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I'm sure your sharing these numbers from on the line to prove a half ton has payload numbers to support hauling a couple sleds on a deck, but I know someone that bought a new f150 loaded up and because the brochure says 12,200# GVWR he bought a 38' 5th wheel to go to the mountains. The point I'm trying to make is, and I'm sure it's been stated here many times, the only #'s that matter for each truck are the ones on your door jam and the actual weight of the truck at the time. I think saying all 1/2 tons are unsafe hauling 2 sleds on a deck is wrong. A bare bones xl truck with same payload and towing pkg is going to have more favorable #'s then a loaded one. All those massage seats and electric gizmos add weight to truck and take away from numbers. I know this sounds like common sense to most but common sense ain't so common no more.
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plio7
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I don't care who yA are that right there is funny
doorfx
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No , I was replying to the post that said "no 1/2 ton period ,can haul two sleds and a deck". Clearly there are 1/2 tons that are more than capable. I agree load them up with all the fancy crap and your payload goes down. People are so close minded that they won't even read the numbers. Sorry peeps but there are 1/2 tons capable of hauling two sleds and a deck and gear and beer, and whatever the hell else you want to carry. The big thing is, if you get the right truck for the job , be it 1/2,3/4 or 1 ton you can do it SAFELY without bending axles or causing mayhem and death on the highways. My next truck will be a one ton diesel so I really don't care what you drive as long as you use the numbers on your truck. It's simple 3000# payload on your door pillar , your good to go. 1500# payload on your door pillar , not so much. Lol
Happy sledding
Happy sledding
doorfx
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What part of 3000# payload are you confused about?
tex78
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All of it halflaide, the new drink for lightweight guys
doorfx
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That's what I thought
Stompin Tom
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I very much have to agree with you here.
Numbers are numbers, but what they dont take into consideration is the extreame change in the center of gravity by putting a deck on and loading sleds above the box. The way it changes the handling in a vehicle is profound and by using a half ton that has a max capacity in the range you need still is not a good choice for the job. Then factor in that the vast majority head home after a day on the hills loaded with adrenaline and tired as hell with the odd wobbly pop in their stomach, its no wonder the cops are always on the lookout.
Spend thousands and thousands on your selds, decks and trips, then cheap out on the truck. Just doesnt make sense to me.
Stompin Tom
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one other factor to look at with load ratings is the actual axle weights allowed. Decks are high and often times far more deck behind the axle than in front of the axle, add into that sleds extending 3 feet or more past tail lights. The leverage takes weight off the steering and adds to the drive axle. If your running max vehicle GVW then you are way over on one axle and way light on the other.
Dont even get me started about not adjusting headlights to compensate for the overloads on the back.
Dont even get me started about not adjusting headlights to compensate for the overloads on the back.
doorfx
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So what payload capacity do you need to haul 2 sleds and a deck ?
Does the COG not change on a 3/4 ton ?
Has anyone even driven a new 2016 with the max payload package ?
Does the COG not change on a 3/4 ton ?
Has anyone even driven a new 2016 with the max payload package ?
Stompin Tom
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When I am driving my logging truck I have a max payload of 63,500 kg's. But that does not mean I can put all that weight on one axle, it must be spread properly over 8 axles.
You have a max payload on your pickup, but that doesnt mean you can place an extrodinary amount on the rear axle only.
skegpro
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Diesel engine upfront defintly helps to keeps the front axle on the ground.
Only way to know for sure is to spend big bucks and rig a truck up, but the moment of truth is at truck scales.
#axleweight
FernieHawk
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Rear axle weight is definitely a concern with short box trucks...not just 1/2 tons, but 3/4 and 1 tons also. I did a full test on my Heavy duty 1/2 ton and I was good to go, but it is a regular cab long box 4x4. If it was a short box the axle weights would have been different.
https://www.snowandmud.com/tow-vehi...load-capabilities-5.html?highlight=heavy+duty
Stompin Tom
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Absolutely, a long box is the way to go if you want to haul sleds on a deck, by far much safer. Regular cab even better, but sadly the vast majority are short box quad cabs.
Stompin Tom
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I fully admit I am a stickler for this kind of stuff, I spend countless hours on the roads, and a lot of it at night, and I see WAY to many things that I never want to see again, not all of it caused by sledders, but some of it. Its no fun to come around a corner and see the carnage from somebodies mistake and have to try and help the survivors until the authorities show up.
For my toys I have a 1 tonne dually extended cab with a 9' deck. No problems ever.
