shop supplies?

[tex78]

It's ok, they have no idea of the overhead

 

[High Velocity]

It's ok, they have no idea of the overhead

LOL !! It's ok, I don't even have a dog in this fight anymore, so no stress for me. I was just trying to get John Q. Public to understand why shops charge what they do.


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[lloydguy]

Have any of you non-mechanic types even thought about the costs involved with building and tooling a modern shop, nevermind the cost of maintaining said shop ??


WTF does the building value or the price of your tool box have to do with shop supplies?
I am on the fence with this topic(sort of).If I am paying a guy an hour to re-seal my dif. for example
I would not be upset about being charged a few buck's for the sealant he used.
I am however opposed to a blanket % being charged.If nothing is used (out of the ordinary) then why
should I pay a percentage.
I recently took my truck to a local shop for a A/C re-charge special they have.
$90 A/C re-charge is what the sign said and also what the shop owner told me.
"it's just a flat $90 to hook up the machine and to re-charge your system,as long as no repairs are needed"
well when I go in to pay the bill it was about $230.......WTF......
A/C recharge special $ 90.00, refrigerant $40.00 , compressor oil $6.00, shrader valve $12.00
labour to change shrader valve $55.00, shop supplies $15.00.
Imo I was bent over and will never go back there again.

 

[LennyR]

Have any of you non-mechanic types even thought about the costs involved with building and tooling a modern shop, nevermind the cost of maintaining said shop ??


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Sorry man, but what a crock. Maybe he should include his gas cost to drive to work, maybe a small charge for some soup at lunch time, warmer socks in the winter cause feet get cold, maybe sunglasses if he needs to go outside to drive your car into his shop. it's a business that performs a task for a fee that he sets, based on the cumulative costs incurred to perform that service and operate that business, plus retain the profit margin he believes makes running that business worthwhile. Its getting kinda stupid , like a document fee to buy a new vehicle cause they have to process the purchase , or a finance dept fee, that's required even if you pay cash, or an oil disposal fee at a quick lube , almost think they'd have figured that in there operating costs. Lol. It's a trend that shops, especially auto repair , seem to have somehow convinced most consumers that it's warranted, sorry not me, as I said, I think it's a crock.

 

[the_real_wild1]

If you guys think you are not getting charged from other services guess again. You are just charged and not shown it. As for the shop supplies any shop charges it and has for years. We charge 8%. It isn't a whole lot or wasn't in past years, but now with the high shop rates that 8% on $160 hr a hour is up there. I am glad I don't have to pay it. But as with everything in life, if you don't want to pay it then don't. Do the work yourself. If you don't want to do it yourself then you are going to pay. I don't feel guilty because I have to pay over inflated prices on everything too. Maybe we should be looking at why our taxes need to be so high just to have t=our money going into other countries and stupid crap like $400,000 balls on the side of the freeway lol.

 

[tex78]

Have any of you non-mechanic types even thought about the costs involved with building and tooling a modern shop, nevermind the cost of maintaining said shop ??


WTF does the building value or the price of your tool box have to do with shop supplies?
I am on the fence with this topic(sort of).If I am paying a guy an hour to re-seal my dif. for example
I would not be upset about being charged a few buck's for the sealant he used.
I am however opposed to a blanket % being charged.If nothing is used (out of the ordinary) then why
should I pay a percentage.
I recently took my truck to a local shop for a A/C re-charge special they have.
$90 A/C re-charge is what the sign said and also what the shop owner told me.
"it's just a flat $90 to hook up the machine and to re-charge your system,as long as no repairs are needed"
well when I go in to pay the bill it was about $230.......WTF......
A/C recharge special $ 90.00, refrigerant $40.00 , compressor oil $6.00, shrader valve $12.00
labour to change shrader valve $55.00, shop supplies $15.00.
Imo I was bent over and will never go back there again.

Well they could have charged ya 150 for doing the top up, then in a few weeks u would be back with low ac from the Schrader valve leaking


Then could have double dipped the shop supplies on ya and more labor to recharge it again



Bet the one time fee to do it right was wayyyyyyyy to much eh

 

[lloydguy]

It took 30 seconds to change the valve for 1,for 2 I was already WAY overcharged on the supplies used.
Charging an additional $15 for shop supplies was just an added insult.
And just for added info. I hooked up the hoses cause the girl who brought the machine outside didn't seem
to know what she was doing.(job was done outside cause the shop was full )
If I added up all of the time someone was actually at mt truck it would maybe be 5 to 10 minutes.

 

[LennyR]

It took 30 seconds to change the valve for 1,for 2 I was already WAY overcharged on the supplies used.
Charging an additional $15 for shop supplies was just an added insult.
And just for added info. I hooked up the hoses cause the girl who brought the machine outside didn't seem
to know what she was doing.(job was done outside cause the shop was full )
If I added up all of the time someone was actually at mt truck it would maybe be 5 to 10 minutes.

So,probably minimum 1 hour mobile charge to bring the machine out to you, parking lot cleaning and maintenance cause they did the work there, tool charge for the wrench used to hook it up, plus restocking and cleaning, travel time for the technician, pfft, kinda sounds according to some of these guys, you got off lucky. LOL.

 

[LennyR]

Have any of you non-mechanic types even thought about the costs involved with building and tooling a modern shop, nevermind the cost of maintaining said shop ??


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And if any of you mechanic types haven't thought about ALL the costs involved in building and tooling a modern shop , maybe you didn't have quite enough information and research before a.- Deciding to open the business and b. - giving quotes to clients on specific repair jobs.
Quoting a low number to get a job to fix a transmission in your transmission shop, then presenting a final bill higher cause you had to use transmission tools and sealant to do the job is just ridiculous. Oh , plus" sorry we had to add a little charge for the paper that I used to print the invoice . You didn't expect me to incur that cost did you ". BS.

 

[tex78]

Pretty sure he's talking tools...

Scanner 5-10 grand, any a.c machine 5-10 g, tire balancer and rim machine 25 grand ( just because u tards just have to have 22-24 inch rims and have a feather on ur azz) , the list goes on



Auto trade is the most expensive trade for tools ect both for tech and owner , yet we get paid close to the least.....

 

[eclipse1966]

not to get into a pi$$ing match but you would be surprised at the cost of running an office. I also do a lot of overseas business trips that costs thousands each time but I look at that as the cost of doing business for myself or my staff. Oh well it these charges are here to stay so we have to live with it just like fuel surcharges that really bug me too. One company charges 32% and another 15%. Cant figure that one out.

Because their supply costs are much higher than pencils for the office. Maybe it should be included in the hourly rate, but then that rate would be raised +/- 10%, so it would work out the same in the end. People will never feel good about spending money on vehicle repairs, no matter the cost. When I was still working in the automotive industry, as a shop foreman, I dealt with many people that totally freaked out about the cost of any repairs or services. I think they had already stretched their budget to the limit buying the vehicle and had zero money left for service and repair or were just stupid cheap. I remember one customer at the VW/Audi/Porsche dealer I worked at in Edmonton back in the late '80's. He was a lawyer, but bitched about our $60/hr shop rate every time he brought his Audi Quattro in. Even then, he was probably billing 2-3 times per hour what we were and I guarantee he had MUCH less overhead.


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[fidorama]

In the bodyshop work they break it down in a couple category's body supply, and paint supply with different rates for either. body supply covers welding materials, fillers, sandpaper, and anything involved with the metal work end of things. paint supply (which is much higher rate) covers primer's, paint, tape, and the involved products. Non of these materials are cheap.

 

[tukernater]

When we took on outboard engines we had to take on a 16,000 dollar retooling bill with it that was 15 years ago hate to see it now?

 

[Dragonalain]

Guys would always b**ch about shop supplies fees at my dads welding and machine shop. He just raised shop rate 10% took off all the fees on the bill and everyone is happy. At least this way when they are told its a 10 hour job at 90 an hour they know what the bill will be.


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[tukernater]

Guys would always b**ch about shop supplies fees at my dads welding and machine shop. He just raised shop rate 10% took off all the fees on the bill and everyone is happy. At least this way when they are told its a 10 hour job at 90 an hour they know what the bill will be.


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Funny eh out of site out of mind.

 

[rsaruk]

Guys would always b**ch about shop supplies fees at my dads welding and machine shop. He just raised shop rate 10% took off all the fees on the bill and everyone is happy. At least this way when they are told its a 10 hour job at 90 an hour they know what the bill will be.


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I think this is much better. You know what you are getting up front. No hidden costs.

 

[fidorama]

that's the trouble, it should not be a hidden cost, or something added on after the fact. If it was laid out to you up front will all other costs involved, it really should not be an issue.

 

[the_real_wild1]

Is it really a hidden cost or are you guys assuming what it will cost? If you want an estimate down to the dollar then ask for it. Then tell them that if it will be higher then to call you and get the go ahead to repair it. Along the same lines when I quote a job I usually go higher. I would rather the bill be lower then the other way around. Some times the message I try to get across to the customer doesn't get that far and gets lost between the service writer, parts dept, apprentices, etc. Too many opinions in the mix.

 

[ABMax24]

Pretty sure he's talking tools...

Scanner 5-10 grand, any a.c machine 5-10 g, tire balancer and rim machine 25 grand ( just because u tards just have to have 22-24 inch rims and have a feather on ur azz) , the list goes on



Auto trade is the most expensive trade for tools ect both for tech and owner , yet we get paid close to the least.....

I don't think anyone is arguing that the auto industry is expensive to get into to, I think everyone is just looking for openness on the part of the shop to ensure all charges are shown up front. Everyone deserves to get paid fairly for the work they do, but don't tell me a job is going to be 5hrs with a sign on the counter saying "shop rate $110/hr" and then bill me an additional 15% in supplies.

The shop I use strictly bills an hourly rate, no extras, and they always have more work than they can do, I wonder why that is?

 

[tex78]

Is it any different that u know there will be shop supplies

Just like everyone knows to retorque tires after they been off and on

Wait over 90 % of people never come back to retorque.... And when the tire falls off its the shops fault