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Re: The type of people that say"oil is oil"
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Re:The type of people that say"oil is oil"
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kenvb
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Re: The type of people that say"oil is oil"
I was using Polaris oil in the 03 800 Polaris, exhaust valves were always gummed up,switched to Amsoil,,no more mess.
BUT I ran straight 30 mixed with purple gas for years on my old sleds,never blew a motor till started buying injection sleds..hope to find a 4 stroke in new few yrs,sick of the 2 stroke exhaust smell after 40 yrs of riding.
I was using Polaris oil in the 03 800 Polaris, exhaust valves were always gummed up,switched to Amsoil,,no more mess.
BUT I ran straight 30 mixed with purple gas for years on my old sleds,never blew a motor till started buying injection sleds..hope to find a 4 stroke in new few yrs,sick of the 2 stroke exhaust smell after 40 yrs of riding.
senorjeem
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I read the entire thread where the "Chemist" was posting his results, and I was not looking for the dead nuts best of the best oils, I simply wanted to know if the Shell Advanced Ultra was up to snuff compared to the other oils tested because it goes on sale every November at Crappy Tire and I am not in the habit of throwing extra coin at something that is supposed to be better, and likely isn't. I am happy with the results of that painfully long read, and although my sled doesn't smell like a bundle of potpourri when I go down the trail, there is little if any smoke, and the exhaust doesn't burn your eyes nearly as bad as the overpriced Bombi oil that I used to use, and as for performance, if you notice a decline in performance when you switch oils, I would suggest that you have either a sled that is running way too fat on fuel to start with, or a very active imagination.
I read the entire thread where the "Chemist" was posting his results, and I was not looking for the dead nuts best of the best oils, I simply wanted to know if the Shell Advanced Ultra was up to snuff compared to the other oils tested because it goes on sale every November at Crappy Tire and I am not in the habit of throwing extra coin at something that is supposed to be better, and likely isn't. I am happy with the results of that painfully long read, and although my sled doesn't smell like a bundle of potpourri when I go down the trail, there is little if any smoke, and the exhaust doesn't burn your eyes nearly as bad as the overpriced Bombi oil that I used to use, and as for performance, if you notice a decline in performance when you switch oils, I would suggest that you have either a sled that is running way too fat on fuel to start with, or a very active imagination.
Brappp306
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Re: The type of people that say"oil is oil"
Well ch!t... I always just went by "oil is oil", But now your telling me that some oil shouldn't be used! So I probably should stop running the used oil i collect out of my deep fryer???
Well ch!t... I always just went by "oil is oil", But now your telling me that some oil shouldn't be used! So I probably should stop running the used oil i collect out of my deep fryer???
senorjeem
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Was that you that went by me smelling like KFC!!
Was that you that went by me smelling like KFC!!
X-it
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Just in case you wanted to know senorjeem. A lope of my crank fell off and went through the block , destroying my engine. It had 6000k on it. I ran shell advanced ultra in it the whole time. The engine looked like it had no wear on it at all and super clean. Nobody had ever seen this kind of thing happen to a crank before
Just in case you wanted to know senorjeem. A lope of my crank fell off and went through the block , destroying my engine. It had 6000k on it. I ran shell advanced ultra in it the whole time. The engine looked like it had no wear on it at all and super clean. Nobody had ever seen this kind of thing happen to a crank before
BigBuckHunter
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Re: The type of people that say"oil is oil"
What kind of Shell oil salbendidi? Just 2 stroke shell oil from off the shelf? Any more specifics? AMS Oil Gold intercepter any good? That's what I've run for a few years now without issue...
What kind of Shell oil salbendidi? Just 2 stroke shell oil from off the shelf? Any more specifics? AMS Oil Gold intercepter any good? That's what I've run for a few years now without issue...
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Re: The type of people that say"oil is oil"
The Shell Avance Ultra is actually 5 litres now, not 4.54 litres and is full synthetic. The Amsoil Interceptor oil, it failed the Chemists tests.
The Shell Avance Ultra is actually 5 litres now, not 4.54 litres and is full synthetic. The Amsoil Interceptor oil, it failed the Chemists tests.
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So if you start using a decent oil will that help the unsuspecting buyer of your next sled not have to replace a fawked engine that you didn't tell him about?
So if you start using a decent oil will that help the unsuspecting buyer of your next sled not have to replace a fawked engine that you didn't tell him about?
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man some people love the drama huh? chemists tests on a bench are all good but when was the last time you raced your laboratory up the hillside? Far too much reading into this whole oil issue - don't listen to the oil "guru's. Amsoil Interceptor (amongst others) "failed" - yeah, its trusted by top race teams nationwide because its a "sub-standard" oil...... I have run alot of these oils that don't meet the referenced "standards" mentioned previously, with no bad results, including Shell Advance and Amsoil (Dominator not Interceptor) in sleds for many years - running av gas and running lean. Different motors need different oils but manufacturers spec oils for a reason, not so that they can repair engines on warranty claims - they lose money when they do that, just FYI.....so they are not going to spec a "bad" oil for their motor. Don't mix TC-W and TC-W3 formulations, and be consistent in what you use.
Most oil related failures have nothing to do with the actual oil IMO - usually its snow ingestion, pump failure or mis-adjustment by some backyard mechanic with no knowledge of what they are doing, operator's failure to mix required amount, etc. If you got sludge in your RAVE or power valves - learn to clean them out from time to time. Too much oil deposition in parts of your motor is usually an indicator that your are over fueling or over oiling IMO - remember the oil is mixed with the fuel before it enters the combustion cycle (fuel is the vehicle that carries the oil and the oil is designed to burn away). So if you got oil sludge, you are probably not burning all the fuel/oil you are sending into the motor. This means too much fuel or too much oil. No matter what kind - make sure your motor gets enough oil and it will be happy. Pretty simple.
man some people love the drama huh? chemists tests on a bench are all good but when was the last time you raced your laboratory up the hillside? Far too much reading into this whole oil issue - don't listen to the oil "guru's. Amsoil Interceptor (amongst others) "failed" - yeah, its trusted by top race teams nationwide because its a "sub-standard" oil...... I have run alot of these oils that don't meet the referenced "standards" mentioned previously, with no bad results, including Shell Advance and Amsoil (Dominator not Interceptor) in sleds for many years - running av gas and running lean. Different motors need different oils but manufacturers spec oils for a reason, not so that they can repair engines on warranty claims - they lose money when they do that, just FYI.....so they are not going to spec a "bad" oil for their motor. Don't mix TC-W and TC-W3 formulations, and be consistent in what you use.
Most oil related failures have nothing to do with the actual oil IMO - usually its snow ingestion, pump failure or mis-adjustment by some backyard mechanic with no knowledge of what they are doing, operator's failure to mix required amount, etc. If you got sludge in your RAVE or power valves - learn to clean them out from time to time. Too much oil deposition in parts of your motor is usually an indicator that your are over fueling or over oiling IMO - remember the oil is mixed with the fuel before it enters the combustion cycle (fuel is the vehicle that carries the oil and the oil is designed to burn away). So if you got oil sludge, you are probably not burning all the fuel/oil you are sending into the motor. This means too much fuel or too much oil. No matter what kind - make sure your motor gets enough oil and it will be happy. Pretty simple.
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lloydguy
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As far as I know TCW3 oil isnt recomended for ANY sled.If a bolltle of oil on anyones shelf doesnt have
a API,Jaso,or ISO rating on it,you should put it in the trash can or in your outboard motor,but NOT IN A SLED.
API,JASO and ISO made rating systems and test oil's on our behalf,so we know the quality of the product we
are buying.If sledders didnt buy anything that wasnt rated,all of the oil makers would soon be running as fast
as they could to get a "Stamp of approval" put on their bottle.
As for the "chemists"thread.He tested 25 oils and only 5 of those had a Jaso rating on them.Now that I have
educated myself(slightly) on oil standards.From now on I am ONLY going to buy oil that has someones stamp
on it.(API,Jaso,ISO) All of the companys out there that can afford to sponsor indy cars,monster trucks, race
teams,ect,ect. and they make the best oil in the world,they just can't afford to have it tested?
Would you hire a "guy " to rewire your house that has never been to school and has no certifications?
Cause if something goes wrong,you are SOL......
Same thing with oil IMO....No certifications,then get out..............................
WOW, I feel better now..
As far as I know TCW3 oil isnt recomended for ANY sled.If a bolltle of oil on anyones shelf doesnt have
a API,Jaso,or ISO rating on it,you should put it in the trash can or in your outboard motor,but NOT IN A SLED.
API,JASO and ISO made rating systems and test oil's on our behalf,so we know the quality of the product we
are buying.If sledders didnt buy anything that wasnt rated,all of the oil makers would soon be running as fast
as they could to get a "Stamp of approval" put on their bottle.
As for the "chemists"thread.He tested 25 oils and only 5 of those had a Jaso rating on them.Now that I have
educated myself(slightly) on oil standards.From now on I am ONLY going to buy oil that has someones stamp
on it.(API,Jaso,ISO) All of the companys out there that can afford to sponsor indy cars,monster trucks, race
teams,ect,ect. and they make the best oil in the world,they just can't afford to have it tested?
Would you hire a "guy " to rewire your house that has never been to school and has no certifications?
Cause if something goes wrong,you are SOL......
Same thing with oil IMO....No certifications,then get out..............................
WOW, I feel better now..X-it
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Hum, now this is a good one, the people you get building your house i would bet only 10% are certified carpenters.
Hum, now this is a good one, the people you get building your house i would bet only 10% are certified carpenters.
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senorjeem
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Awesome news, just reinforces my original decision to use the Shell oil. Might not have a tough enough name though.....Interceptor!!!! Impregnator!!! Hmmm, need some spin doctors to work on the image and get some silky looking babes to promote it at shows, and it will sell for $11 a liter. Wait a minute, maybe not!!
Awesome news, just reinforces my original decision to use the Shell oil. Might not have a tough enough name though.....Interceptor!!!! Impregnator!!! Hmmm, need some spin doctors to work on the image and get some silky looking babes to promote it at shows, and it will sell for $11 a liter. Wait a minute, maybe not!!
Re: The type of people that say"oil is oil"
Sal - is that you? if not it has to be a close relative........I think you are far to concerned with "ratings"....TCW3 oils were burnt in sleds for many many many years with no issues..........again, its about oil quantity over quality IMO. most sleds run 35:1 - 40:1 so for every 1 molecule of oil you burn, you burn 40 molecules of gas. I hope you are as picky about the fuel you burn and carry a fuel testing kit and hydrometer with you to the gas station because you are burning 40 more times the fuel than oil. You go right ahead and buy the most expensive oil out there, its your money. I'll just make sure my motor keeps getting the right amount, cuz if your motor doesn't get enough, no matter how cheap or expensive the oil, she's still gonna burn up.
Have a good season.
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Would you hire a "guy " to rewire your house that has never been to school and has no certifications?
Cause if something goes wrong,you are SOL......
Same thing with oil IMO....No certifications,then get out..............................
Sal - is that you? if not it has to be a close relative........I think you are far to concerned with "ratings"....TCW3 oils were burnt in sleds for many many many years with no issues..........again, its about oil quantity over quality IMO. most sleds run 35:1 - 40:1 so for every 1 molecule of oil you burn, you burn 40 molecules of gas. I hope you are as picky about the fuel you burn and carry a fuel testing kit and hydrometer with you to the gas station because you are burning 40 more times the fuel than oil. You go right ahead and buy the most expensive oil out there, its your money. I'll just make sure my motor keeps getting the right amount, cuz if your motor doesn't get enough, no matter how cheap or expensive the oil, she's still gonna burn up.
Have a good season.
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TC-W3 IS NOT SNOWMOBILE OIL....That's one of the thing's I have been ranting about..........
And No my name is not Sid.
The TC-W3® standard is a performance-based qualification program. The requirements include various bench tests for fluidity, miscibility, rust, compatibility, etc., as well as engine tests to evaluate the prevention of ring sticking and carbon build up on pistons and other engine parts. The engine tests include one Johnson 40 hp, one Johnson 70 hp, and two consecutive Mercury 15 hp tests, all of which are run under severe conditions for 100 hours each. Two additional engine tests are also conducted to ensure a high level of lubricity performance. The testing process is comprehensive and expensive, but worth the outcome for consumers and manufacturers.
The above quote is from here. Certification - TC-W3
Alot of the 2 stroke oil that is out there shows a pic. of a sled,say's compatable with all manufacturers spec's,and has a
TC-W3 logo on it..............MY POINT IS---THAT IS STUPID and misleading...
TC-W3 oil WILL NOT PASS ANY MANUFACTURERS SPEC's FOR OIL REQUIREMENTS.
Cook your french fries in it if you want.It doesnt matter to me. And No,I'm not looking for the best of the best of 2stroke oil's,I just am looking for an oil for my 2 new engines that will help them last as long as possible.
TC-W3 IS NOT SNOWMOBILE OIL....That's one of the thing's I have been ranting about..........
And No my name is not Sid.
The TC-W3® standard is a performance-based qualification program. The requirements include various bench tests for fluidity, miscibility, rust, compatibility, etc., as well as engine tests to evaluate the prevention of ring sticking and carbon build up on pistons and other engine parts. The engine tests include one Johnson 40 hp, one Johnson 70 hp, and two consecutive Mercury 15 hp tests, all of which are run under severe conditions for 100 hours each. Two additional engine tests are also conducted to ensure a high level of lubricity performance. The testing process is comprehensive and expensive, but worth the outcome for consumers and manufacturers.
The above quote is from here. Certification - TC-W3
Alot of the 2 stroke oil that is out there shows a pic. of a sled,say's compatable with all manufacturers spec's,and has a
TC-W3 logo on it..............MY POINT IS---THAT IS STUPID and misleading...
TC-W3 oil WILL NOT PASS ANY MANUFACTURERS SPEC's FOR OIL REQUIREMENTS.
Cook your french fries in it if you want.It doesnt matter to me. And No,I'm not looking for the best of the best of 2stroke oil's,I just am looking for an oil for my 2 new engines that will help them last as long as possible.
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lloydguy
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Re: The type of people that say"oil is oil"
MODMAN.I'm not yapping at you,nor am I disscrediting what you said.I'm just pissed that everyguy
that makes oil out there put's a pic. of a sled on the bottle, TC-W3 sticker and expects the public to
believe that their oil is good for every sled out there.
That's my
MODMAN.I'm not yapping at you,nor am I disscrediting what you said.I'm just pissed that everyguy
that makes oil out there put's a pic. of a sled on the bottle, TC-W3 sticker and expects the public to
believe that their oil is good for every sled out there.
That's my
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Re: The type of people that say"oil is oil"
Other than that I am a believer of factory oil for factory macines. You can mix ANY 2 stroke oil at 32:1 and NEVER have a problem as Modman has stated, even though he is going leaner than what I suggest, which is only a suggestion. As my user name say's quadtrash, I have been all over Canada and the States with premixed 2stroke oiled quads. If your not sure..... 32:1 and you won't run lean.
When I bought my Dragon a couple of month's ago, Rhodesie(a good friend) @ Bruce's RV suggested to me to run a liter of Polaris blue in a full tank of gas. Just to make sure that the red IS lubing everything. I thought this was ludichrist at first, but now thinking I'll doo it from every 500 miles.
So.....................
Back on topic. "Oil is Oil"
Whatever the best oil is that works the best for your 2 stroke is your "Oil is Oil"
Jmho
Other than that I am a believer of factory oil for factory macines. You can mix ANY 2 stroke oil at 32:1 and NEVER have a problem as Modman has stated, even though he is going leaner than what I suggest, which is only a suggestion. As my user name say's quadtrash, I have been all over Canada and the States with premixed 2stroke oiled quads. If your not sure..... 32:1 and you won't run lean.
When I bought my Dragon a couple of month's ago, Rhodesie(a good friend) @ Bruce's RV suggested to me to run a liter of Polaris blue in a full tank of gas. Just to make sure that the red IS lubing everything. I thought this was ludichrist at first, but now thinking I'll doo it from every 500 miles.
So.....................
Back on topic. "Oil is Oil"
Whatever the best oil is that works the best for your 2 stroke is your "Oil is Oil"
Jmho
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Bogger
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Re: The type of people that say"oil is oil"
So how do you feel about cheap beer????? it's not "Cold Certified" but it does the trick.....
So how do you feel about cheap beer????? it's not "Cold Certified" but it does the trick.....
Rucky
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I feel dumber after reading this thread. I think I'll continue to run Polaris oil in my Polaris snowmobile. Run what you want... But I'll be riding while you're keyboard racing with the oil "experts". Maintain your engine. Keep it lubed. Ride the fawk out of it. Repeat.
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