New Immigration Minster

[Bogger]

The world is a cruel and unusual place. There are innocent folks caught up in wars all over the world simply based on where fate placed them at birth, the lucky ones are able to flee to a more stable society however this more often than not requires expense and sacrifice. Some have no other option but to survive each day for as long as they can, I do not understand why these folks reproduce, who would want to introduce a life and inevitably a loved one into such a horrible existence. Rwanda, Haiti, Ethiopia and corners all over the world are no better off than Syria it just happens to be into it's 15 minutes of fame.

Most of us who live in the US & Canada, especially those of us who hang out on here are fortunate in the sense that we were all given the opportunity to live free and succeed, many of us would fall into that evil 1% (within CANADA) and even those of us who do not more often than not will fall into the top 5% of Canada making us among the top 0.01% worldwide. One only needs to make $34,000 US to be in the Global 1%.

What should we do???????? Be Fawked if I know but I know most of us, myself included, are in no way willing to give up our sleds, trucks, boats, houses, rubber chickens, entertainment or travel let lone our food/drink/clothing in an effort to redistribute the wealth among those unfortunate around the globe.
We give a little bit here & there to help build some karma but the fact of the matter is each and everyone one of us could provide food/shelter/clothing/safety to our immediate family with MUCH less than we have now and the extra money could be used to save lives, rebuild villages, provide safe drinking water etc...

Not in my backyard, and we are very good at sheltering ourselves. If you had to look into someone's eyes who has not eaten in a week while you scarfed down a $45 Zala's steak and another $60 in drinks after sledding all day...... could you? I likely couldn't and if I had to see the pain and suffering daily I would likely live a much different lifestyle.

BUT I don't, so I will continue to live my life as best I know how, enjoying the life that luck has afforded to me. It is this that makes the world a cruel and unusual place, my 4 children are spoiled and have opportunities to create a similar lifestyle to mine with a little bit of effort and some luck. I have a hard time feeling sorry for the "local less fortunate" just living in this country is a blessing and opportunities for growth and improvement are often offered even where not deserved, so because of those who struggle to make a go of it here in Canada I feel badly for the not so fortunate who's life sucks simply because of where they were born, because no doubt given the chance they would seize the opportunity that is Canada.

But I don't have to watch their struggles, right or wrong it is what it is, my defense mechanism is disappointment/disapproval for the ones I can see struggle and blissful ignorance for those in different backyards.

 

[ferniesnow]

The world is a cruel and unusual place. There are innocent folks caught up in wars all over the world simply based on where fate placed them at birth, the lucky ones are able to flee to a more stable society however this more often than not requires expense and sacrifice. Some have no other option but to survive each day for as long as they can, I do not understand why these folks reproduce, who would want to introduce a life and inevitably a loved one into such a horrible existence. Rwanda, Haiti, Ethiopia and corners all over the world are no better off than Syria it just happens to be into it's 15 minutes of fame.

Most of us who live in the US & Canada, especially those of us who hang out on here are fortunate in the sense that we were all given the opportunity live free and succeed, many of us would fall into that evil 1% (within CANADA) and even those of us who do not more often than not will fall into the top 5% of Canada making us among the top 0.01% worldwide. One only needs to make $34,000 US to be in the Global 1%.

What should we do???????? Be Fawked if I know but I know most of us, myself included, are in no way willing to give up our sleds, trucks, boats, houses, rubber chickens, entertainment or travel let lone our food/drink/clothing in an effort to redistribute the wealth among those unfortunate around the globe.
We give a little bit here & there to help build some karma but the fact of the matter is each and everyone one of us provide food/shelter/clothing/safety to our immediate family with MUCH less than we have now and the extra money could be used to save lives, rebuild villages, provide safe drinking water etc...

Not in my backyard, and we are very good at sheltering ourselves. If you had to look into someone's eyes who has not eaten in a week while you scarfed down a $45 Zala's steak and another $60 in drinks after sledding all day...... could you? I likely couldn't and if I had to see the pain and suffering daily I would likely live a much different lifestyle.

BUT I don't, so I will continue to live my life as best I know how, enjoying the life that lucky has been afforded to me. It is this that makes the world a cruel and unusual place, my 4 children are spoiled and have opportunities to create a similar lifestyle to mine with a little bit of effort and some luck. I have a hard time feeling sorry for the "local less fortunate" just living in this country is a blessing and opportunities for growth and improvement are often offered even where not deserved, so because of those who struggle to make a go of it here in Canada I feel badly for the not so fortunate who's life sucks simply because of where they were born, because no doubt given the chance they would seize the opportunity that is Canada.

But I don't have to watch their struggles, right or wrong it is what it is, my defense mechanism is disappointment/disapproval for the ones I can see struggle and blissful ignorance for those in different backyards.

Eloquent as usual. For a Friday afternoon that is quite a statement Ian. Should get the thought process going.........

 

[eclipse1966]

very nicely put!!!!!

Here is an example of how stupid some people are with their money. I spoke to a 60 year old farmer north of Edmonton yesterday. He was venting to me because he has to bail out his 34 year old son as he lost his job in O&G in July. Son had worked for 13 years averaging the last 5 years at 13 grand a month. His son has 10 grand a month in payments. Now that is sad and I am sure he is not the only one. So, yes you are right we are very fortunate to live in this country and it is not the fault of anyone if you can't make it.

The world is a cruel and unusual place. There are innocent folks caught up in wars all over the world simply based on where fate placed them at birth, the lucky ones are able to flee to a more stable society however this more often than not requires expense and sacrifice. Some have no other option but to survive each day for as long as they can, I do not understand why these folks reproduce, who would want to introduce a life and inevitably a loved one into such a horrible existence. Rwanda, Haiti, Ethiopia and corners all over the world are no better off than Syria it just happens to be into it's 15 minutes of fame.

Most of us who live in the US & Canada, especially those of us who hang out on here are fortunate in the sense that we were all given the opportunity to live free and succeed, many of us would fall into that evil 1% (within CANADA) and even those of us who do not more often than not will fall into the top 5% of Canada making us among the top 0.01% worldwide. One only needs to make $34,000 US to be in the Global 1%.

What should we do???????? Be Fawked if I know but I know most of us, myself included, are in no way willing to give up our sleds, trucks, boats, houses, rubber chickens, entertainment or travel let lone our food/drink/clothing in an effort to redistribute the wealth among those unfortunate around the globe.
We give a little bit here & there to help build some karma but the fact of the matter is each and everyone one of us could provide food/shelter/clothing/safety to our immediate family with MUCH less than we have now and the extra money could be used to save lives, rebuild villages, provide safe drinking water etc...

Not in my backyard, and we are very good at sheltering ourselves. If you had to look into someone's eyes who has not eaten in a week while you scarfed down a $45 Zala's steak and another $60 in drinks after sledding all day...... could you? I likely couldn't and if I had to see the pain and suffering daily I would likely live a much different lifestyle.

BUT I don't, so I will continue to live my life as best I know how, enjoying the life that luck has afforded to me. It is this that makes the world a cruel and unusual place, my 4 children are spoiled and have opportunities to create a similar lifestyle to mine with a little bit of effort and some luck. I have a hard time feeling sorry for the "local less fortunate" just living in this country is a blessing and opportunities for growth and improvement are often offered even where not deserved, so because of those who struggle to make a go of it here in Canada I feel badly for the not so fortunate who's life sucks simply because of where they were born, because no doubt given the chance they would seize the opportunity that is Canada.

But I don't have to watch their struggles, right or wrong it is what it is, my defense mechanism is disappointment/disapproval for the ones I can see struggle and blissful ignorance for those in different backyards.

 

[woody_tobius_jr]

Might be off topic, but, you see all of these people in these countries suffering, they can barely take care of themselves, yet they're breeding like rabbits...I just don't get it, it's like they are their own worst enemy


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[linktel]

Don't me wrong we should take in refugee's . My point in writing to the minster was to ask why the hurry, there will be refugee's next year and the year after and be sure that there is proper screening in place. We do live in a great part of the world and a great country.

 

[09 arctic cat m8]

Don't me wrong we should take in refugee's . My point in writing to the minster was to ask why the hurry, there will be refugee's next year and the year after and be sure that there is proper screening in place. We do live in a great part of the world and a great country.

Ya but man there's no possible way to screen all these people and the new prime minister sure isn't gonna do it, and they will come over and take all of our jobs when they work for 10 cents cheaper and good luck when push come to shove and we have to defend our country,

 

[smokinD]

Might be off topic, but, you see all of these people in these countries suffering, they can barely take care of themselves, yet they're breeding like rabbits...I just don't get it, it's like they are their own worst enemy


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Hence that is why they start breeding here in Canada right away so they can get status at a faster pace. Should not be able to have offspring here for at least the first 5yrs and you have a full time job not handouts. I firmly believe in giving a hand up not a handout.

 

[ABMax24]

Hence that is why they start breeding here in Canada right away so they can get status at a faster pace. Should not be able to have offspring here for at least the first 5yrs and you have a full time job not handouts. I firmly believe in giving a hand up not a handout.

I'm not really sure how you'd even enforce such a rule? Not to say I'm against the idea, but that poses huge ethical issues.

 

[moyiesledhead]

I'm not really sure how you'd even enforce such a rule? Not to say I'm against the idea, but that poses huge ethical issues.

We could say the same thing about our own career welfare bums in Canada that just keep having more kids so they can collect more money. Pretty much a non-starter both ethically and constitutionally.

 

[smokinD]

I'm not really sure how you'd even enforce such a rule? Not to say I'm against the idea, but that poses huge ethical issues.

The same way China made it with the only 2 rule,also you would be told this when coming through IC if they found out you had more then what is allowed or disallowed they send you packing. I shouldnt have to pay to foot the bill when if the shoe was on the other foot think that country would pay for mine doubt it they could care less. I will pay how ever for the welfare bums because i have to and even them should be told no more kids till you get a job or risk losing payments.

 

[moyiesledhead]

The same way China made it with the only 2 rule,

Last time I checked China was not a democracy. We still are....though sometimes I think just barely.

 

[ABMax24]

The same way China made it with the only 2 rule,also you would be told this when coming through IC if they found out you had more then what is allowed or disallowed they send you packing. I shouldnt have to pay to foot the bill when if the shoe was on the other foot think that country would pay for mine doubt it they could care less. I will pay how ever for the welfare bums because i have to and even them should be told no more kids till you get a job or risk losing payments.

Yeah and just let the rest of their kids starve because we pulled their payments. I don't want to pay for someone else's kids either, but there are so many other things that cost us money, should I have to pay for someone's health issues due to smoking even though I've never smoked a day in my life? And because I worked for 4 years of my life after highschool before figuring out what I want to do is it really fair that I have to pay for all my schooling myself because I have made to much money to apply for student loans or grants? Life isn't fair, we the hardworking able bodied are always going to pay for those that aren't, we are a welfare society and that won't change. Those that benefit have far more time than we do to fight for their side.

 

[lilduke]

We are a constitutional monarchy, not really a democracy at all. Still better than being run by communists. IMO

 

[Old Boy]

I have no problem with these refugee s coming here. The government should get with it and start building all the info structure that is needed with 25000 people. It works out to a whole new town schools etc. That way our standard of living dose not go down.

 

[Bigblack]

I have no problem with these refugee s coming here. The government should get with it and start building all the info structure that is needed with 25000 people. It works out to a whole new town schools etc. That way our standard of living dose not go down.

So just HOW does the government PAY for such a "new town"...that's right: it's on us.

 

[DRD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc

It's coming here

 

[smokinD]

Yeah and just let the rest of their kids starve because we pulled their payments. I don't want to pay for someone else's kids either, but there are so many other things that cost us money, should I have to pay for someone's health issues due to smoking even though I've never smoked a day in my life? And because I worked for 4 years of my life after highschool before figuring out what I want to do is it really fair that I have to pay for all my schooling myself because I have made to much money to apply for student loans or grants? Life isn't fair, we the hardworking able bodied are always going to pay for those that aren't, we are a welfare society and that won't change. Those that benefit have far more time than we do to fight for their side.

Last time i looked don,t know of to many Canadians having more than 2 kids because most of us know it costs a **** load of donero to raise them. I firmly believe that if you come to this country u do not have a whole bunch of kids to fast track your status and live on the backs of taxpayer handouts cause they are plentiful. Most born and raised here learned to work either on the farm or something else to helpout the family thats is why there is no more 6-10 person familys anymore. Why is it i am seeing new canadians with 3-5 kids min and i don,t see the man working how do you pay for this hmnnn!! I have kids and 2 was enough that cost a fortune cant imagine 3-5 and not working. I guess to top it all off the thing that irked me most was i did Santa delivery with my son for a couple of years and seen nothing but new canadians mostly with men answering the door mid afternoon accepting 2 bags of gifts why is it because there is no jobs out there ok lol!! And yes when answering the door 3-5 kids in tow i don,t get it, not trying to be ignorant just saying what i seen first hand.

 

[Bogger]

I was left with almost the same bitterness after delivering a few years for Santa's Anonymous only I did not see many immigrants. Most of the people I delivered too were white, overweight, ungrateful azzes. Houses were an absolute disgusting mess, kids were dirty and in most cases rude and miserable. ashtrays overflowing, bags of booze cans and bottles. Ye3t almost every one of them had newer televisions much bigger than mine and other obvious "non essentials". 3 of the 15 places I've delivered too gave me a warm holiday feeling like they appreciated or were slightly embarrassed by the donations.
So many of these folks are the subsidized housing, welfare collecting, opportunity refusing losers who in another time and place would be allowed to starve before having an opportunity to reproduce. I have stopped donating my time and money to Santa's Anonymous because I do not believe in their screening and that sucks for the kids but if they are not willing to sacrifice to help their own children why should we. Another example of fate placement at birth, hopefully most of those kids make the most of a ****ty situation and take advantage of opportunities but given the way our social systems work I don't hold out much hope for that, most will likely follow in the footsteps of those whom raise them.....welfare is a pretty good living when you don't have to go without.

Last time i looked don,t know of to many Canadians having more than 2 kids because most of us know it costs a **** load of donero to raise them. I firmly believe that if you come to this country u do not have a whole bunch of kids to fast track your status and live on the backs of taxpayer handouts cause they are plentiful. Most born and raised here learned to work either on the farm or something else to helpout the family thats is why there is no more 6-10 person familys anymore. Why is it i am seeing new canadians with 3-5 kids min and i don,t see the man working how do you pay for this hmnnn!! I have kids and 2 was enough that cost a fortune cant imagine 3-5 and not working. I guess to top it all off the thing that irked me most was i did Santa delivery with my son for a couple of years and seen nothing but new canadians mostly with men answering the door mid afternoon accepting 2 bags of gifts why is it because there is no jobs out there ok lol!! And yes when answering the door 3-5 kids in tow i don,t get it, not trying to be ignorant just saying what i seen first hand.

 

[X-Treme]

I was left with almost the same bitterness after delivering a few years for Santa's Anonymous only I did not see many immigrants. Most of the people I delivered too were white, overweight, ungrateful azzes. Houses were an absolute disgusting mess, kids were dirty and in most cases rude and miserable. ashtrays overflowing, bags of booze cans and bottles. Ye3t almost every one of them had newer televisions much bigger than mine and other obvious "non essentials". 3 of the 15 places I've delivered too gave me a warm holiday feeling like they appreciated or were slightly embarrassed by the donations.
So many of these folks are the subsidized housing, welfare collecting, opportunity refusing losers who in another time and place would be allowed to starve before having an opportunity to reproduce. I have stopped donating my time and money to Santa's Anonymous because I do not believe in their screening and that sucks for the kids but if they are not willing to sacrifice to help their own children why should we. Another example of fate placement at birth, hopefully most of those kids make the most of a ****ty situation and take advantage of opportunities but given the way our social systems work I don't hold out much hope for that, most will likely follow in the footsteps of those whom raise them.....welfare is a pretty good living when you don't have to go without.

My business is right next door to the area food bank, and I've seen the people that use and ABuse that system, so I have therefore stopped donating there as well. It's actually very sad.

About 10-12 years ago, a man walked into our shop and asked the receptionist what time the food bank was open until. The recept told him noon, and asked if there was anything she could help with (we often take after hours donations for them), to which he replied that he just wanted to let them know about 2 of his co-workers that were abusing the system. At that time (again, 10-12 years ago), these guys were both making between $30 & $40 an hour, and making very good livings. Perhaps it was because they didn't have to pay for food....

Disgusting!

 

[Bogger]

If there is any way to abuse a system, folks will find a way.

I believe it is the responsibility of the people operating any charitable operation to do their best to discourage and/or minimize the potential for abuse. unfortunately many do not even care because the larger the user base the better they are positioned for funding which helps to pad the books and ensure the paid staff continue to get paid.....quite well at that.

The only thing worse than a user abusing a charitable system is the operator using the system for personal gain. Many businesses/non profits out there try to pass themselves off as large community contributors when in reality very little ever goes back to the community.


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My business is right next door to the area food bank, and I've seen the people that use and ABuse that system, so I have therefore stopped donating there as well. It's actually very sad.

About 10-12 years ago, a man walked into our shop and asked the receptionist what time the food bank was open until. The recept told him noon, and asked if there was anything she could help with (we often take after hours donations for them), to which he replied that he just wanted to let them know about 2 of his co-workers that were abusing the system. At that time (again, 10-12 years ago), these guys were both making between $30 & $40 an hour, and making very good livings. Perhaps it was because they didn't have to pay for food....

Disgusting!