My experience with the Tesla Model 3

[S.W.A.T.]

My son has a Tesla here in PG and he has been land locked for a year, they have put some in some charging stations heading south of pg now but not out the McBride way. Winter cuts down the range.

McBride has one at the bc hydro building and according to the website it's free. Not sure how that works. Then jasper and Hinton. Every town west has one, even Fraser lake and Houston of all places

 

[Cdnfireman]

Well going off this chart I would guess that they will continue to get cheaper as well as increase in energy density (wh/kg).
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Read the fine print. “ cost of figures for 2018 and beyond are projections”. The green energy arguments are always couched with the same words: projected, estimated, expected, possible, may, could, might, possibly etc etc. I’m gonna go out on a limb here, and say that I guess, estimate, project that maybe everything might possibly be more expensive in the future.

 

[S.W.A.T.]

Read the fine print. “ cost of figures for 2018 and beyond are projections”. The green energy arguments are always couched with the same words: projected, estimated, expected, possible, may, could, might, possibly etc etc. I’m gonna go out on a limb here, and say that I guess, estimate, project that maybe everything might possibly be more expensive in the future.

I think your twisting it for your own narrative and trying to make it a "green" thing. I personally don't feel there is anything green about electric vehicles except maybe the daily emissions, but there is also nothing green about a hydro dam either except the grass around the water line. The electric car has been around since the early 1900s, its undeniable that an electric motor is far more efficient then a combustion engine. What I fail to understand is why people who have no interest in them take such a hard stance against the idea that there is a technology available that is more effective and efficient then what is currently on the market. Is it just because the sheep don't like change?

 

[FernieHawk]

I think your twisting it for your own narrative and trying to make it a "green" thing. I personally don't feel there is anything green about electric vehicles except maybe the daily emissions, but there is also nothing green about a hydro dam either except the grass around the water line. The electric car has been around since the early 1900s, its undeniable that an electric motor is far more efficient then a combustion engine. What I fail to understand is why people who have no interest in them take such a hard stance against the idea that there is a technology available that is more effective and efficient then what is currently on the market. Is it just because the sheep don't like change?

Just a guess, but I think most peeps are offended by the government giving away our tax dollars to subsidize purchases and infrastructure, they just gave millions to CDN Tire.

 

[S.W.A.T.]

Just a guess, but I think most peeps are offended by the government giving away our tax dollars to subsidize purchases and infrastructure, they just gave millions to CDN Tire.

They are going to give it away anyway, at least it's not going to a irregular immigrant

 

[Teth-Air]

This was a real question :

"Johnny would you be pissed if you got taxed $2000/year for road tax? You know something like this has to come. You can't expect to not pay your part for ever. This must be calculated into everyone's decision to go electric"

Not a question to rub anyone the wrong way but rather a reality that we all will have to face once enough of us go electric.

I have nothing against electric but I look at the big picture and not just short term gains. Short term gains look sweet but I am realistic and believe the logistics will be painful.

I understand that some see a lower carbon earth as a long term goal but honestly by jumping on the petroleum roller coaster we have already made a world that it is too easy to stay alive long enough to explode the worlds population beyond what the earth can provide without petroleum. This is the crisis that we face which is way more of a problem than high carbon levels.

Electrics can be a part of the solution and the craze towards them is good as it pushes technology through social pressures but it will take many, many years for a real solution.

 

[Cdnfireman]

Some of us sheep don’t just drink the koolaid. I’ve always said that the concept of a DC traction motor is the superior method of propulsion. What isn’t superior is using a battery that is energy intensive to build, extremely destructive to the environment to manufacture, has poor range abilities in the real world, and requires subsidies in both their purchase, and in the charging infrastructure they require.
And your kidding yourself if you don’t think that they aren’t part of the green energy push. Every mention of them in the media trumpets their “ low carbon footprint “, while specifically and deliberately ignoring the environmental downsides to using an energy source that is full of toxic heavy metals and rare earth materials that create huge amounts of toxic waste to fabricate, and cannot be recycled.
The group of people/organizations that are pushing EV’s are exactly the same ones that are promoting green energy and are doing their best to destroy the Canadian energy industry. They rail about the negatives of the resource sector, rant about “carbon pollution “, then ignore or are ignorant about how useless and carbon intensive all the green energy projects actually are.
If you like EV’s, good for you, enjoy driving yours. But enough with the shaming and talking down to everyone who doesn’t. There’s no moral superiority to driving one.

 

[S.W.A.T.]

Some of us sheep don’t just drink the koolaid. I’ve always said that the concept of a DC traction motor is the superior method of propulsion. What isn’t superior is using a battery that is energy intensive to build, extremely destructive to the environment to manufacture, has poor range abilities in the real world, and requires subsidies in both their purchase, and in the charging infrastructure they require.
And your kidding yourself if you don’t think that they aren’t part of the green energy push. Every mention of them in the media trumpets their “ low carbon footprint “, while specifically and deliberately ignoring the environmental downsides to using an energy source that is full of toxic heavy metals and rare earth materials that create huge amounts of toxic waste to fabricate, and cannot be recycled.
The group of people/organizations that are pushing EV’s are exactly the same ones that are promoting green energy and are doing their best to destroy the Canadian energy industry. They rail about the negatives of the resource sector, rant about “carbon pollution “, then ignore or are ignorant about how useless and carbon intensive all the green energy projects actually are.
If you like EV’s, good for you, enjoy driving yours. But enough with the shaming and talking down to everyone who doesn’t. There’s no moral superiority to driving one.

Nor is there a moral superiority in shaming those who do

 

[Cdnfireman]

Nor is there a moral superiority in shaming those who do

I’m not trying to shame anyone, and if it seems that way, you have my apologies. I base my arguments on facts, not morals, feel free to dispute them.

 

[catalac]

Tesla shares broke $780.
52 week low... $175.

I think the money likes EV.

 

[FernieHawk]

Tesla shares broke $780.
52 week low... $175.

I think the money likes EV.

I’m thinking more in line with

Enron

MCI Worldcom

Nortel

Etc etc etc...

 

[catalac]

You are correct that the next Enron or the next market crash isn’t if but when... then again making money in the markets is always about timing.

 

[Cyle]

This was a real question :

"Johnny would you be pissed if you got taxed $2000/year for road tax? You know something like this has to come. You can't expect to not pay your part for ever. This must be calculated into everyone's decision to go electric"

Not a question to rub anyone the wrong way but rather a reality that we all will have to face once enough of us go electric.

I have nothing against electric but I look at the big picture and not just short term gains. Short term gains look sweet but I am realistic and believe the logistics will be painful.

I understand that some see a lower carbon earth as a long term goal but honestly by jumping on the petroleum roller coaster we have already made a world that it is too easy to stay alive long enough to explode the worlds population beyond what the earth can provide without petroleum. This is the crisis that we face which is way more of a problem than high carbon levels.

Electrics can be a part of the solution and the craze towards them is good as it pushes technology through social pressures but it will take many, many years for a real solution.

They need to bring in the tax on EV now. Right now an EV owner is freeloading and passing the cost of road maintenance on to everyone else. I'm guessing the only way to do it would be adding the tax onto registration. Problem is they won't do it yet, they want many more people to buy EV before they start it.

 

[Cyle]

I think your twisting it for your own narrative and trying to make it a "green" thing. I personally don't feel there is anything green about electric vehicles except maybe the daily emissions, but there is also nothing green about a hydro dam either except the grass around the water line. The electric car has been around since the early 1900s, its undeniable that an electric motor is far more efficient then a combustion engine. What I fail to understand is why people who have no interest in them take such a hard stance against the idea that there is a technology available that is more effective and efficient then what is currently on the market. Is it just because the sheep don't like change?

I have no problem with change. I do have a problem with being shamed into changing to an inferior way of doing things. Show me an EV that can replace a ICE I have with no disadvantages and I will buy one. But you can't. And I also want to see the 5-10 year durability of the things. Look at one of the biggest issues with vehicles right now, electrical and computers. EV have so much more of that. Maybe Tesla does it better, but no one can argue the elephant in the room that some are going to have massive electrical/computer problems that will cost a fortune to fix. They are the future, eventually in most applications but won't be a large piece of the pie for a long time.

However if I was a automotive tech and not retiring in the next 15 years i'd be making dahm sure I got good at electrical or i'd be finding a new career very soon because a lot of them are going to be out of work in the future.

 

[S.W.A.T.]

I have no problem with change. I do have a problem with being shamed into changing to an inferior way of doing things. Show me an EV that can replace a ICE I have with no disadvantages and I will buy one. But you can't. And I also want to see the 5-10 year durability of the things. Look at one of the biggest issues with vehicles right now, electrical and computers. EV have so much more of that. Maybe Tesla does it better, but no one can argue the elephant in the room that some are going to have massive electrical/computer problems that will cost a fortune to fix. They are the future, eventually in most applications but won't be a large piece of the pie for a long time.

However if I was a automotive tech and not retiring in the next 15 years i'd be making dahm sure I got good at electrical or i'd be finding a new career very soon because a lot of them are going to be out of work in the future.

Its only shame if you feel guilty and buy into the green nonsense.

I will be the first to say there is no such thing as green anything other then gardening

 

[catalac]

Rest assured the government will stick their fingers into the EV segment and F it up somehow, that’s their job.

 

[X-it]

Well anyway for those buying a used Tesla that has not been krown sprayed since new, check for rust on the A and B pillars. I should have passed this info on 2 years back when i knew about it, but it was not worth the flack.

 

[jhurkot]

Let me ask a real world question. You have been posting about the model 3 for awhile. If you are fully charged, on a average day, can you drive from monarch to Calgary and back and what is the cost to fully charge?

In my model 3 I’ve done monarch to Cochrane round trip with 90% to start.

Cost to charge at home is about 15$ from 0-100%. On the road at fast dc chargers it’s going to be slightly more. Maybe 22$.

 

[jhurkot]

This was a real question :

"Johnny would you be pissed if you got taxed $2000/year for road tax? You know something like this has to come. You can't expect to not pay your part for ever. This must be calculated into everyone's decision to go electric"

Not a question to rub anyone the wrong way but rather a reality that we all will have to face once enough of us go electric.

I have nothing against electric but I look at the big picture and not just short term gains. Short term gains look sweet but I am realistic and believe the logistics will be painful.

I understand that some see a lower carbon earth as a long term goal but honestly by jumping on the petroleum roller coaster we have already made a world that it is too easy to stay alive long enough to explode the worlds population beyond what the earth can provide without petroleum. This is the crisis that we face which is way more of a problem than high carbon levels.

Electrics can be a part of the solution and the craze towards them is good as it pushes technology through social pressures but it will take many, many years for a real solution.

Yeah a road tax is inevitable. Where do you get $2000/year from? Is there evidence of the road tax being used 100% for road maintenance? Are roads built ****ty on purpose so it can be a never ending revenue stream to repair them?

 

[lilduke]

Yeah a road tax is inevitable. Where do you get $2000/year from? Is there evidence of the road tax being used 100% for road maintenance? Are roads built ****ty on purpose so it can be a never ending revenue stream to repair them?

The roads in Alberta are brutal. Need fox shocks for the highways around Sylvan.