"Mousetrapped" Lets Talk About It

[Couch]

Eyes on is a big deal - just like a spotter when water skiing ...chit happens quick and better if someone is ready to respond.
Radios a must.
Tether on wrist better than on jacket / suit loop.
3 - 4 is optimal - enough to help but not so many that it's like herding cats with everyone going in different directions ...
I like it best with 4. 2 play for a bit & 2 watch / rest then swap.

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[pfi572]

Thanks rs …this is a good topic … speaking on behalf of a G5 owner the bottom line is for Ski-Doo the G5 skid is the biggest piece of ch!t on the market - you harness this with a 180hp Turbo sled it’s gonna happen. Far as I’m concerned regarding Ski -Doo get your head out of yur azz and manufacture a controllable skid that reacts responsibly to the power. Ya I know some will say this is a about just the mousetrap … but truth is we has sledders that climb we built or build sleds with power - but we’ve learned 20 years ago to mitigate the flipping over … hence RE (baker) skid, k-mid, redline, timber, m-10, lock out shocks, etc … most or all these recent death or near death are because of Doos piece of chit rear skid… it’s junk!!
But hey I have turbo Sled and I’m the chit…

98% of the people don’t want the skies in a position they should be . That’s only 2% that do . Lol
I don’t get it either but I guess it looks cool but again ? How lucky do sledders feel because flipping 600lb over on top of yourself is going to have consequences.

 

[Dragonalain]

I’m the 2% suspension then power. All these D!ck wads with their omg this sled has insane power videos drive me up the wall. Dude I can see 3ft of your running boards. You should scouch up a bit so you can actually go somewhere with the power.


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[mountianguy]

Great topic, this is becoming a far bigger concern than most of us know. The key is prevention knowing when to turn out or take a stuck and have your riding partner watching. All the sleds are so capable now we can do and go places some should not be. Anyone with some money or good credit can buy a sled no experience or training required, now you can go to a place where there is no rules to speak of. Then we mix in alcohol and or drugs, hello search and rescue! Now I am not saying everyone is doing this and I don't see a problem with a beer at lunch. We all know that the over indulgence happens a lot.
We are our own worst enemy. AC builds a new sled puts in a 600 and everyone bashes it for being underpowered while no one has even seen the final product never mind ridden it yet. We are a strange bunch us sledders.

 

[Lem Lamb]

Don't stick your Noodle in a bear trap...

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[snoflake]

The problem isn't power, or crappy rear skids. People have been able to this for years, it just wasn't the in thing to do. Now, its all anyone see's on a video, and that's what they want to do. The power sure helps, but if you take off the limiter strap and soften the rear skid you do this on just about any sled. Right now, everyone thinks OHHHH, Turbo power pulls skis in the air all day. Ever wonder why the guys that don't want roll that way can some how climb a technical steep grade without wheeling? The danger is, guys that don't know how to ride or set a rear skid up and hit the hills with little to no experience on a brand new turbo. But that's been happening for the last 30+ years. How many guys came to boulder in the turbo 4 stroke craze with 650lb 280hp $60,000 sled that couldn't ride worth a SH%& and tried to pull shoots? Maybe the Polaris and Skidoo ambassador's should do up a few vid on how to set up rear skids for booth set ups, and also mention the pros, cons and dangers of each. Like when they aren't promoting the best handle bars or SOS devices.

 

[niner]

Manufacturers can build the perfect sled right down to the last nut, the only nut they can’t fix is the one hanging onto to the handlebars…

 

[jhurkot]

Watching a young rider with limited experience riding a 155 khaos boost in the trees is terrifying.

 

[Steenso]

I wouldn’t say the G5 is a piece of ch!t, you may think so but each to their own. As some have commented it boils down to “know what you have, learn to use it”. The last comment regarding the Khaos Boost is fact, doesn’t make the sled a piece of ch!t. Really no different than jumping in a 700hp high performance sports car with no respect, things are going to happen, doesn’t make the car a piece of ch!t.

PS Many G5 owners would beg to differ that it’s a piece of CH!T.

 

[drew562]

Mouse trap problem could be real. But it’s really easy to avoid also. I just spent my first three days on my G5. No close calls. I didn’t flip over backwards. I’ve also been snowmobiling for 45 + years. Experience is everything. Knowing whether to jump off or ride it out without thinking will save your life. But that takes time to learn. Riders need to progress with patience and smarts. Similar to motorcycles. don’t go by the biggest bike for your first ride

 

[Kibbels]

I wouldn’t say the G5 is a piece of ch!t, you may think so but each to their own. As some have commented it boils down to “know what you have, learn to use it”. The last comment regarding the Khaos Boost is fact, doesn’t make the sled a piece of ch!t. Really no different than jumping in a 700hp high performance sports car with no respect, things are going to happen, doesn’t make the car a piece of ch!t.

PS Many G5 owners would beg to differ that it’s a piece of CH!T.

What I said the skid is a piece of chit… I like my g5 and I’m ok saying that out loud.
But each to there own

 

[bobsledder]

What I said the skid is a piece of chit… I like my g5 and I’m ok saying that out loud.
But each to there own

Well I got some spacers from marty11 and now mine isn't a POS anymore

 

[MP Kid]

The problem isn't power, or crappy rear skids. People have been able to this for years, it just wasn't the in thing to do. Now, its all anyone see's on a video, and that's what they want to do. The power sure helps, but if you take off the limiter strap and soften the rear skid you do this on just about any sled. Right now, everyone thinks OHHHH, Turbo power pulls skis in the air all day. Ever wonder why the guys that don't want roll that way can some how climb a technical steep grade without wheeling? The danger is, guys that don't know how to ride or set a rear skid up and hit the hills with little to no experience on a brand new turbo. But that's been happening for the last 30+ years. How many guys came to boulder in the turbo 4 stroke craze with 650lb 280hp $60,000 sled that couldn't ride worth a SH%& and tried to pull shoots? Maybe the Polaris and Skidoo ambassador's should do up a few vid on how to set up rear skids for booth set ups, and also mention the pros, cons and dangers of each. Like when they aren't promoting the best handle bars or SOS devices.

You assume these “ambassadors” know something about sled set up…. But I doubt it….

This mousetrap thing is just another evolution in culture of our sport. Same as mentioned above, first it was plastic paddles, then better tracks gained more speed, 4s turbos, 2s turbos, lighter weight…
It all comes down to experience, every new generation needs to learn the basics and then possibly advance from there. If a person starts young and rides with family etc, the learning curve starts earlier…
Some lessons are witnessed early on, and people escape from a situation unscathed, others learn the hard way or only get one chance and things end up bad…

Who’s to blame… nobody! Consumers demand the latest & greatest, and the masses vote with their wallet. A cultural shift is the only way forward.

Anyone else here remember travelling to BC as a kid in the 80’s and thinking it was strange to wear a seatbelt..??

 

[solarguy]

As a sledding community I feel its the right time to talk about this amongst ourselves. I've had 2 incidents where I had to use my radio for group rescue. I don't want to have a third. For those that don't know its when a sled usually "over-transfers" and basically loops out. Often the sled will land on top of you and pins a person. Even worse when it comes back over and pile drives you into your own trench. I can tell you when you are pinned and usually an extremity or two is compromised its is near impossible to move that sled on top of you. Combined with panic, snow ingestion, and fear, it really freaks a guy out quick. I'm sure there are many stories of near misses and humor, but there are also some of sorrow. And that is sad.
Best precaution is keeping "eyes on your guys", Radio chatter every minute or so, buddy system.

Please post your thoughts and lets keep this going.
Safe sledding
RS

A huge thank you for starting this thread as we all push into tighter, steeper and more technical terrain the risks increase. After the Ken Block incident we are all talking about and sharing close calls with a sled on us, and hopefully we will become more aware of where others in our group are. I always worry about my wife when she is out of my sight, she has had a sled pin her a couple of times and could not have gotten out.
Besides being mouse trapped, pitched off on a steep sidehill a sled can roll on us in a tree well and it’s hopeless without someone getting there.
I certainly will be making less risky decisions when others in my group do not have the ability to get where I am in case of things gone wrong.
Too many stories coming out about close calls, in fact almost all of us who are serious mountain riders have these stories. Wake up call!!

 

[Kibbels]

Well I got some spacers from marty11 and now mine isn't a POS anymore

I have them also… just not a fan of the skid. IMHO ski-Doo didn’t progress/adapt skid to match power plant to mitigate the potential of thread subject. We all take risks everyday going out doing the things we love expecting to return that being yes some tutorials could educate safety & awareness… but to say it’s the rider is not a fair statement as I remember the day when Mr C on his 2020.5 ski doo turbo early release flipped over in sugar bowl and unfortunately he died as many of you know and was experienced rider. I know I’m stirring the doo lovers pot but these are my thoughts… we love this sport so safety & awareness is most important to riders & manufacturers.

 

[drew562]

I have them also… just not a fan of the skid. IMHO ski-Doo didn’t progress/adapt skid to match power plant to mitigate the potential of thread subject. We all take risks everyday going out doing the things we love expecting to return that being yes some tutorials could educate safety & awareness… but to say it’s the rider is not a fair statement as I remember the day when Mr C on his 2020.5 ski doo turbo early release flipped over in sugar bowl and unfortunately he died as many of you know and was experienced rider. I know I’m stirring the doo lovers pot but these are my thoughts… we love this sport so safety & awareness is most important to riders & manufacturers.

Few yrs back. Me and six guys took a demo 20.5 turbo doo. Five of us could climb and ride the sled fine. My one friend kept flipping it over backwards. I’m not so sure it’s the sleds fault.

 

[maxwell]

Few yrs back. Me and six guys took a demo 20.5 turbo doo. Five of us could climb and ride the sled fine. My one friend kept flipping it over backwards. I’m not so sure it’s the sleds fault.

100%. A Trick I picked up from one of the best (Carl kuster) you can make that skid climb a wall and then have the flexibility to flip it over backwards if need be. A “climbing skid” is very one dimensional whereas the current skid can be manipulated to any circumstance.


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[niner]

The sleds might not be the problem. I think cell phones contribute the most.

 

[Chrisco]

100%. A Trick I picked up from one of the best (Carl kuster) you can make that skid climb a wall and then have the flexibility to flip it over backwards if need be. A “climbing skid” is very one dimensional whereas the current skid can be manipulated to any circumstance.


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With the flick of a switch you can have both, its 2023

 

[Lem Lamb]

Or better yet...

Add Snow & Mud 3 hp decal and pin it...

Install decal up side down so the rest of us know the trap has been set...

Good times for sure !!!