miled out skidoo piston

[Warhawk]

Hey maxwell i would love to take the chance to ride with you and your group.
Yes i will be riding a pro this year hopefully i will be in good shape as i am sitting typing this with a cast on my foot. I will keep in touch as i think first week of march works as i cant get enough time off until then.
my style of riding is boondocking not high marking, if this is how you grade which brand is better im not interested.

where do you ride the most?? from your past posts i think its valemount? is this correct?

 

[OOC ZigZag]

Changin itup tryin to get it right still.. LOL..

Better to be the innovator than the imitator.

Hey Glen you must have a pic of a 7000k cat piston bawwwwwaaaaaaaaa.

If the Cats are so good how come every time I call a buddy that owns one all I can hear is fur flying kids crying and groceries smashin all over the place ?

 

[glengine]

Better to be the innovator than the imitator.

Hey Glen you must have a pic of a 7000k cat piston bawwwwwaaaaaaaaa.

If the Cats are so good how come every time I call a buddy that owns one all I can hear is fur flying kids crying and groceries smashin all over the place ?

The pics i posted earlier are of cat m8 pistons that actually have 8500km on them..

 

[Summitric]

the pics i posted earlier are of cat m8 pistons that actually have 8500km on them..

and 3 engines later..............

 

[OOC ZigZag]

and 3 engines later..............

I was gonna go there but left it alone cause it aint about bashin its about a BRP product that did really well. I know tons of XP's with 4 to 5 k on them with nothing but regular maintinence. I can give credit where its Doo like Cat has come a long way in the past few years. Poo showed up last yr lets see how they hold up with some more k on em.

 

[glengine]

and 3 engines later..............

No sorry that was the original motor that the sled came with from the factory. Those are the pistons that suzuki put in that motor at the factory. And i have another M8 with 5500 km on it and it still runs extremely well..

The original post was about maxwell geting 7000km out of his doo motor. Well all's i can say is WOW thats impressive from what i've seen. I do beleive that a large contributing factor can be the oil that a person uses.

One thing that alot of people don't know is the fact that if brp or any other manufacturer wanted to they could deny warranty on a motor if a person runs amsoil in ther sled bacause it does not meet the requirements of the manufacturers. Oil has different letter codes to specify what standards it meets and amsoil does NOT meet the requirements for powervalve motors. Just sayin, i know there's probably gonna be people say they disagree but cant argue when the tsandards that amsoil puts on there own product doen't meet the requirements of manufacturer.

 

[glengine]

Amsoil is actually not a very good oil at all for a sled motor. It is just marketed extremely well to the masses. Maybe if a few manufactures started to excersize there right and refuse warranty on motor due to use of an oil that does not meet there requirements that people would realize how crappy it is. I quess even in the brp brochure they state that amsoil FAILED there severe duty tests and doesn't meet the requirements.

I have taken apart many a sled motor that has had amsoil ran in it and the internal engine components are sticky and tacky well in my opinion if internal parts in a motor are tacky you are losing power, they need to be slippery so it moves more freely with less friction.

 

[snopro]

Amsoil is actually not a very good oil at all for a sled motor. It is just marketed extremely well to the masses. Maybe if a few manufactures started to excersize there right and refuse warranty on motor due to use of an oil that does not meet there requirements that people would realize how crappy it is. I quess even in the brp brochure they state that amsoil FAILED there severe duty tests and doesn't meet the requirements.

I have taken apart many a sled motor that has had amsoil ran in it and the internal engine components are sticky and tacky well in my opinion if internal parts in a motor are tacky you are losing power, they need to be slippery so it moves more freely with less friction.

I agree with you 100% Glen but you have to know you will be taking some flack on here from at least a few of the 4,130,867 certified Amsoil dealers in Alberta alone.

 

[polarisdragon800]

better it be tacky inside instead of dry is it not??? next time you pull a piston take your finger and give it a swipe on the other side of the piston skirt.. if its dry=chitty oil if its tacky= good oil.

 

[snopro]

better it be tacky inside instead of dry is it not??? next time you pull a piston take your finger and give it a swipe on the other side of the piston skirt.. if its dry=chitty oil if its tacky= good oil.

And if its slippery then real good oil?

 

[OOC ZigZag]

Amsoil is actually not a very good oil at all for a sled motor. It is just marketed extremely well to the masses. Maybe if a few manufactures started to excersize there right and refuse warranty on motor due to use of an oil that does not meet there requirements that people would realize how crappy it is. I quess even in the brp brochure they state that amsoil FAILED there severe duty tests and doesn't meet the requirements.

I have taken apart many a sled motor that has had amsoil ran in it and the internal engine components are sticky and tacky well in my opinion if internal parts in a motor are tacky you are losing power, they need to be slippery so it moves more freely with less friction.

Oh you didn't just go there. Have a buddy who has rented sleds for the past 10 yrs and all he runs is Amsoil. Had another buddy buy one of his rentals with 4500k and still going strong a season later no topend no bottom end work. Amsoil chicks r hot. To each their own and if its workin for ya good on ya. Sure hope we get enough snow soon rather be Dooin it than knowin Maxwell is on his 3rd or 4th large bag of popcorn.

 

[maxwell]

Totally agree about the oil. Everyone makes fun of me for running expensive brp oil when they can get the same stuff at canadian tire. Well that is not the case. Like glen mentioned you can tell righht away which engine is running brp and which is running something else. All the parts are sticky and gummed up. For example the rave valves. Had tons of motors apart same story

 

[glengine]

Oh you didn't just go there. Have a buddy who has rented sleds for the past 10 yrs and all he runs is Amsoil. Had another buddy buy one of his rentals with 4500k and still going strong a season later no topend no bottom end work. Amsoil chicks r hot. To each their own and if its workin for ya good on ya. Sure hope we get enough snow soon rather be Dooin it than knowin Maxwell is on his 3rd or 4th large bag of popcorn.

Yah i did, i'm just speakin the straight up truth no bs!.And yah i know snopro i'll get some flack for the statement that i made about amsoil having no place in a powervalve sled motor. But just stateing the facts that amsoil themselves don't rate the oil to be used for powervalve motors. So if brp denied a warranty claim due to a customer running amsoil how many people do you think there would be bit^%in about brp and how they cant do that. Well guess what YES they or any other manufacturer CAN because it DOES NOT meet the requirements set out by the manufacturer. The way i look at is like this sled injection oil isnt made to be run in a 4stroke because it doesn't meet the requirments and it's not made for so why would you want to run an oil in your 2stroke that doesn't meet the requirements for your sled? I used to run amsoil in all my stuff rentals and personal including vehicles. I have since switched everything away from amsoil and i can say that my vehicles run better and get better milage, i went to mobil 1 full synthetic oil in my vehicles and spectro oil for all my rentals.

I absolutely agree that we need snow cause i want to go ridin.

And run what your happy with in your sleds but also if a warranty claim gets denied dont want to hear anyone bi&^in.

 

[glengine]

Totally agree about the oil. Everyone makes fun of me for running expensive brp oil when they can get the same stuff at canadian tire. Well that is not the case. Like glen mentioned you can tell righht away which engine is running brp and which is running something else. All the parts are sticky and gummed up. For example the rave valves. Had tons of motors apart same story

I have found the same with brp oil when you take a motor apart it is slippery and slimy like it should be and i have had the same findings when taking a motor apart thats ran spectro oil. The base stock for spectro oil is actually made by mobil 1. Nothing is harder or more brutal on an engine than crappy oil.

 

[OOC ZigZag]

I have found the same with brp oil when you take a motor apart it is slippery and slimy like it should be and i have had the same findings when taking a motor apart thats ran spectro oil. The base stock for spectro oil is actually made by mobil 1. Nothing is harder or more brutal on an engine than crappy oil.

I used to run BRP in my 05 but I switched in 08 to Amsoil havn't had any problems but if Doo doesn't recommend it than thanks for pointin it out Glen. Guess the fact that BRP doesn't recommend it is reason to switch back. Thanks Glen

 

[Highmarker03]

I have actually ran into this problem back when I had my 06 REV. Blew the motor with a full tank of Amsoil. My dealer (who I bought the sled from) refused to warranty. Drove 50 miles to another dealer and he fixed it no problem. Never used Amsoil again. Been BRP synthetic in all my sleds since.

 

[polarisdragon800]

I used to run BRP in my 05 but I switched in 08 to Amsoil havn't had any problems but if Doo doesn't recommend it than thanks for pointin it out Glen. Guess the fact that BRP doesn't recommend it is reason to switch back. Thanks Glen

lol..... BRP doesn't reccomend any other kind of oil except BRP!! cause they want you to buy their product.. haha?

 

[007sevens]

how many problem do you hear or see about with the yamahas ??

We left one on the hill this spring for the locals to darg out and went home without it. As I understand it was a pooched starter none the less it failed.

 

[glengine]

lol..... BRP doesn't reccomend any other kind of oil except BRP!! cause they want you to buy their product.. haha?

Actually no you could easily run into the warranty refual problem with any brand due to the fact that amsoil does not meet the specified oil requirements of any of the new two strokes. It isn't approved or meet the requirements for powervalve two strokes, and how long have they been making powervalve two strokes? I just wanted to give people a heads up..

This may be one of the reasons that guys like maxwell and the guys that work at some brp dealers that i know are getting some decent milage out of there doo 800r motors is because they run oil in there sleds that actually meet or exceed manufacturers specs.

 

[T-team]

I have heard it alot from many different sources! What glen is saying is 100% correct. If brp or any other manufacturer were to ever ask to have the parts shipped back, Or im not 100% sure... But I do beleive they call back certian warranty claims at the end of the year... And from what I have heard they can easily tell what kind of oil... or at the very least... what oil was NOT used. It would be a dealer sticking thier neck out for someone that wanted to save money on oil. It would really be up to the discretion of the dealer or shop working on it weather they wanted to warranty an engine or not. I have NOT heard anything good about amsoil from any reputable techs or reps. Keep in mind when these motors get run up... tested... and abused on the stand in front of the R&D guys they have XPS oil in them... NOT amsoil or any other rotella garbage. They were tried and tested with the oil that they market as being the BEST for that particular machine.