major oil spill into the red deer river

[d mills]

I'm not sure exactly which fracing video you watched but the real problem is in the U.S. Their fracing of "open hole" wells can lead to communication of fracing and the water table. However this practice is not done in canada. 99.9 percent of wells are "cased hole" completions which doesn't allow this to happen. I'm not saying this can't happen here but is not a likely occurance.

 

[JaySimon]

You know, I was thinking about the whole 'if you use oil you can't complain' arguement.

So yea, I do use oil. Know what else I use? Rivers. There's gotta be a way to keep everyone happy.

Gateway sounds great economically, but frankly, there isn't that much pristine country left, and if one spill can make such a heavy impact perhaps there should be more oversight, however, it seems the feds are going the other way. I personally don't trust the oil companies nor their contractors to give a single damn about the environment, short of what a spill will do to their share prices.

 

[imdoo'n]

I'm not sure exactly which fracing video you watched but the real problem is in the U.S. Their fracing of "open hole" wells can lead to communication of fracing and the water table. However this practice is not done in canada. 99.9 percent of wells are "cased hole" completions which doesn't allow this to happen. I'm not saying this can't happen here but is not a likely occurance.

good info and i think your right, seems most of the controversy is in the states, didn't watch video but typed fracing alberta. and they say nothing has been proven, but interesting.

 

[imdoo'n]

You know, I was thinking about the whole 'if you use oil you can't complain' arguement.

So yea, I do use oil. Know what else I use? Rivers. There's gotta be a way to keep everyone happy.

Gateway sounds great economically, but frankly, there isn't that much pristine country left, and if one spill can make such a heavy impact perhaps there should be more oversight, however, it seems the feds are going the other way. I personally don't trust the oil companies nor their contractors to give a single damn about the environment, short of what a spill will do to their share prices.

i don't think any oil company in canada sets out to have any spill of any sort, it just boils down to inspections, pipe cover, soil erosion, faulty construction practices, like rocks being on top of pipeline etc.

anyone see how they install this plastic pipe, plowed in, no trench inspection as in lookin for sharp rocks etc. can someone tell us if sharp rocks can cut the plastic pipe. and does the plastic pipe move around in the trench. do tell!

 

[d mills]

good info and i think your right, seems most of the controversy is in the states, didn't watch video but typed fracing alberta. and they say nothing has been proven, but interesting.

If anyone is interested in this try to rent/ buy the movie "gas land". Very good documentary about this problem.

 

[Badass69]

what? i find that hard to believe. they sure seem to be able to hire someone when they need to build the pipelines, any time they need one. so far they haven't been forced to spend the money. that looks to be changing real soon though.

The labor force of the operations side of the oil industry is heavily taxed as is construction. Skilled labor is not easily found...... And remember the key word in my sentence is "skilled"....... And I don't mean just guys pulling wrenches here either. This goes all the way to upper management. "Hard Hat fillers" and alternately "Office chair fillers" are abundant. It's a reality for any rapid expanding industry.....

I mean in a perfect world we wouldn't have any car accidents because everyone drove competently.... Power would never go off from non weather related failures because line and substation maintenance had everything covered..... sinkholes would never open up in roads because water mains would never break from frost heaves and being unmaintained....

The difference between those realities and this is simply the mess to clean up. Pipeline spills, plant spills or what have you will always be reality. The goal is always just to minimize them to as close to zero as possible.

 

[oler1234]

i don't think any oil company in canada sets out to have any spill of any sort, it just boils down to inspections, pipe cover, soil erosion, faulty construction practices, like rocks being on top of pipeline etc.

anyone see how they install this plastic pipe, plowed in, no trench inspection as in lookin for sharp rocks etc. can someone tell us if sharp rocks can cut the plastic pipe. and does the plastic pipe move around in the trench. do tell!

simple question(s), do you know how a plow works and haven ever seen one in action? Do you even know what type of pipe is being used?

 

[Beels]

If anyone is interested in this try to rent/ buy the movie "gas land". Very good documentary about this problem.

I've seen it. It's a one-sided, propaganda laced film full of extremist garbage. Search "Gasland Debunked" and draw your own conclusions.

I don't buy everything the oil and gas industry tells us either, but the truth more than likely lies somewhere in the middle.

 

[JaySimon]

I've seen it. It's a one-sided, propaganda laced film full of extremist garbage. Search "Gasland Debunked" and draw your own conclusions.

I don't buy everything the oil and gas industry tells us either, but the truth more than likely lies somewhere in the middle.

Three sides to every story, my side, your side, and the truth.

 

[d mills]

I've seen it. It's a one-sided, propaganda laced film full of extremist garbage. Search "Gasland Debunked" and draw your own conclusions.

I don't buy everything the oil and gas industry tells us either, but the truth more than likely lies somewhere in the middle.

I don't buy everything either.........however there is some pretty obvious truth in there. Its not every stream you can turn into a flare stack. But to each their own.

 

[Beels]

Three sides to every story, my side, your side, and the truth.

Exactly. The fact still remains, no one would want to watch a 2 hour long feature film about gas wells in the US by some hippie film maker if it didn't show a bunch of alarmist propaganda.

 

[Beels]

I don't buy everything either.........however there is some pretty obvious truth in there. Its not every stream you can turn into a flare stack. But to each their own.

I dated a girl from east of Swift Current, SK back in the day. In their house on the farm, if you barely cracked the tap, you could light the gas coming out of the faucet before the water hit. At that time, there wasn't a gas well for 25 miles.

I know it's pretty shocking that natural gas can come out of a deep water well in an area that's known for that.

 

[d mills]

I dated a girl from east of Swift Current, SK back in the day. In their house on the farm, if you barely cracked the tap, you could light the gas coming out of the faucet before the water hit. At that time, there wasn't a gas well for 25 miles.

I know it's pretty shocking that natural gas can come out of a deep water well in an area that's known for that.

Fair enough. If it wasn't complete b.s. That it wasn't like that previously I can see the point. I doubt that even the most skilled geologists can predict exactly where every cube of fluid will go in a 500 cube frac on a open hole. The possibilty of fracturing multiple zones is quite likely. I thought the film was entertaining. Is it to be used as an oil and gas guideline.....probably not. Had some good points though IMO.

 

[DaveB]

In their house on the farm, if you barely cracked the tap, you could light the gas coming out of the faucet before the water hit. At that time, there wasn't a gas well for 25 miles.

My grandparents place near Rumsey, AB did that 40 yrs ago too....gran-dad used to love showing us kids the burning faucet....

 

[DaveB]

Truthland: Dispatches from the Real Gasland - Full Movie [HD] - YouTube

 

[lloydguy]

That lady asks questiond and gives a partial answer before every person gets a chance to
answer ........HUH????.Looks like an oil company commercial IMO.Her attitude was that
problems with fracing were BS. right from the first minute of the vid?I smell something real
funny with that vid.

 

[DaveB]

That lady asks questiond and gives a partial answer before every person gets a chance to
answer ........HUH????.Looks like an oil company commercial IMO.Her attitude was that
problems with fracing were BS. right from the first minute of the vid?I smell something real
funny with that vid.

Have you seen Gasland? It is worse BS....and longer. LOL.

 

[lloydguy]

Nope havent seen it or even heard of it.I have seen some good documentary's on
netflix though. I find it funny that 2day's after this spill rep's were on the radio saying
that they have it ALL contained and there is nothing to worry about.

 

[imdoo'n]

simple question(s), do you know how a plow works and haven ever seen one in action? Do you even know what type of pipe is being used?

i've seen it, been involved long before you i'm sure, from the ist time it was used in the oil industry and since 78 with the utility side, does that make it into your experience book. you don't think this is my first dance do ya. i've been involved with more pipeline than i care to remember. i'm willing to bet i've layed out more pipeline, walked more pipeline, marked more pipeline and tripped over more pipeline than you ever will. any more questions.

ps, i am not anti oil, just want more inspection on problem areas. oh by the way1234, you ever connect tracer wire with automotive crimp connecters.

 

[imdoo'n]

there has been gas in water for years, shallow wells in se part of alberta. etc. i see new regulations coming, friggin safety bastards. hehe, not you bogger.