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[DaveB]

I guess you cant answer my question, or are afraid to. Enbridge owns the pipeline, they are a private company, they do not have the right to build a pipeline here, they only have the right to ask for permission.

That my friend, is the difference.

Can you give permission? Or is it CANADIAN land? Does it go through the sovereign state of Tom?

 

[sweld]

Last time I was in northern Bc there was a awful lot of pipelining goin on. Just sayin

 

[Stompin Tom]

Can you give permission? Or is it CANADIAN land? Does it go through the sovereign state of Tom?

Division of Federal-Provincial Jurisdiction

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[Stompin Tom]

Can you give permission? Or is it CANADIAN land? Does it go through the sovereign state of Tom?

Dave, a sensible discussion is fast coming to an end, the sarcasm is not appreciated. If you wish to continue to debate this as a man, great, if you want to go childish, your on your own.

 

[Stompin Tom]

by Northern BC, are you speaking of north of the pine pass? Different area, vastly different terrain.

 

[Stompin Tom]

A comment to the Albertains on this site in general. I understand that you support this pipeline and have no reason to not support it, and I am not wasting my time trying to change your mind. But think of this, I am a business person, involved in logging, I am about as far as you can get from a Green Peace'er. Having said that my opinion on the proposed pipeline has changed 180 degrees in the past year. That seems to be a fairly common thing in the interior of BC. Now consider this, it appears we are about 10 months away from a majority NDP government, I dread that day, but it seem inevitable. With the strength of the Native Bands in BC, add in an NDP government, then let the Green Peace'er at it, and you have a darn big uphill task on your hands.

 

[DRD]

Little to no benefit for BC? Umm, if the royalties/taxes collected help with Canada's financial situation does this not help BC??

Apparently flooding hundreds of miles river valley or clear cutting untold hectares of land is not a scar like a 100 meter wide cut line through the bush?
Would you drink out of the Columbia below Trail out of the Fraser where it enters the ocean? Get off your environmental soap box.

 

[Stompin Tom]

Little to no benefit for BC? Umm, if the royalties/taxes collected help with Canada's financial situation does this not help BC??

Apparently flooding hundreds of miles river valley or clear cutting untold hectares of land is not a scar like a 100 meter wide cut line through the bush?
Would you drink out of the Columbia below Trail out of the Fraser where it enters the ocean? Get off your environmental soap box.

As I have stated many times, risk benefit. I dont believe the risk is worth the benefit.

 

[Stompin Tom]

Little to no benefit for BC? Umm, if the royalties/taxes collected help with Canada's financial situation does this not help BC??

Apparently flooding hundreds of miles river valley or clear cutting untold hectares of land is not a scar like a 100 meter wide cut line through the bush?
Would you drink out of the Columbia below Trail out of the Fraser where it enters the ocean? Get off your environmental soap box.

you do realize that the proposed pipeline is proposed to go through 2 of the most difficult terrains any pipeline has gone through? The Rocky Mountains and the Coastal Mountain range. It is not your average, run of the mill line.

 

[DaveB]

Dave, a sensible discussion is fast coming to an end, the sarcasm is not appreciated. If you wish to continue to debate this as a man, great, if you want to go childish, your on your own.

It's a reasonable question with some sarcasm thrown in. You personally have more childish, emotionaly-driven posts on this thread than anyone.

 

[Badass69]

Kinder Morgan is also tripling the capacity of it's existing trans mountain pipeline to Vancouver........ never see any complaints about that yet. But I guess it already snuck it's way through years ago so it's okay. Mind you estimates put construction in 2016.

That said the one to Kitimat...... meh. I think they would personally be better off continuing to expand existing infrastructure to the Vancouver ports instead of bothering to fight with those in opposition.

 

[DRD]

you do realize that the proposed pipeline is proposed to go through 2 of the most difficult terrains any pipeline has gone through? The Rocky Mountains and the Coastal Mountain range. It is not your average, run of the mill line.

I'm pretty sure if the Yanks could lay pipe from Deadhorse through the Brooks range in the 70's we should be able to get one from Ab. to the coast. As I said I'd rather see it go to NB anyway and use the existing infrastructure to refine it.

 

[DaveB]

As I have stated many times, risk benefit. I dont believe the risk is worth the benefit.

You didn't answer the question. Would you drink out of the Columbia below Trail.....

 

[imdoo'n]

and your point is? you claim that BC will get fuel cheaper if there is a pipeline, I call bunk. We wont get it once cent cheaper. You can post all the charts you want, but its a red herring, no relevance to the point. We get taxed on the fuel we use, that wont change.

Let me ask you this, I was in Edmonton last week, gas in Edmonton, Edson and Hinton were around 1.10 to 1.13 per liter, here it is 1.33 per liter. That is 20 plus cents more than in Alberta, but according to your charts we are taxed 12 cents per liter more. Where does the other 8 cents go to? Oh yeah, the oil companies who want us to allow a pipe line. Thanks for the charts, you prove my point.

man you are a truck driver, you drive to edmonton for free, didn't think so. so why do you think the fuel gets to u for free. someone makes a living off delivering fuel to you. maybe you should be hauling fuel back to the bc folks back home for an extra 2cents / litre. hehe didn't think so. what ya doing in alberta if ya got such a hate on, can't see ndp helping out anyone in yer province. more than likely you'll be out of work real soon.

 

[rzrgade]

Attention BC : Some one has to pay the bills..........Once you vote in a NDP goverment we all know that will soon eliminate you from stepping up to the plate....
So whether you like it or not,the pipeline WILL cross BC.........If you have not been paying attention it is quite obvious that the feds have set the wheels in motion. (omnibus bill). Money talks and it may take a few bucks more to shush the crowds,but it will happen sooner or later.
After a few years of the NDP you will be either begging for pipeline jobs,or moving to Alberta anyways...........

 

[Mike270412]

I think the Albertians and the BCers should meet at the bike racks after school and settle this little squabble once and for all.

 

[imdoo'n]

Attention BC : Some one has to pay the bills..........Once you vote in a NDP goverment we all know that will soon eliminate you from stepping up to the plate....
So whether you like it or not,the pipeline WILL cross BC.........If you have not been paying attention it is quite obvious that the feds have set the wheels in motion. (omnibus bill). Money talks and it may take a few bucks more to shush the crowds,but it will happen sooner or later.
After a few years of the NDP you will be either begging for pipeline jobs,or moving to Alberta anyways...........

we often don't agree razr, but in this case you are 100% right. the natives will be on the war path till they get another load of kickaboy joy juice, and the bc government just hasn't set there price yet. stompin tom, has one vote, polar also, they like money so can't see them taking long to get on the band wagon. time will tell.

 

[imdoo'n]

I think the Albertians and the BCers should meet at the bike racks after school and settle this little squabble once and for all.

what is the beef that bc peeps have with alberta seems they are always here, maybe just a bitch fest.

 

[sumx54]

BC can not survive on grow ops alone...

 

[teeroy]

BC can not survive on grow ops alone...

if they legalized it, and taxed it....i bet they almost could