Just a little FYI on the Polaris CFI Engine and surrounding rumors

[IndyDan]

Every post I have ever seen of Indy Dans comes across as very humble and helpful. Im guessing he came across a little strong because he's sick of the snake oil pitch by you know who.

You would be exactly right.

Sorry to come across strong but if I don't once and a while search a few forums sum people like to think they are the only show in town and the best show ever made.

I checked this site because I have lots of Canadian customers that mention it, 35% of my business is from Canada

Thank You Everyone !!

 

[RK Tek]

Its fun to watch how much one person can find the time to forum jump and keyboard pounding and blow his horn about how great he is and how much he knows.

I use Cast, Not Forged - I am a Wiseco Dealer & I am a Wossner dealer.

If I used Forged I would not warranty my Motors period.

Talk is cheap and warranty that is backed second to no one in this business.

For the most part I Have been told I am the only shop with a real warranty. and its in writing on every invoice of every motor that is sold.

2008 thu 2015

2 - New 800 TMX Small Block motors available - 1 - 3 year warranty top to bottom including pistons (cast pistons )

------------------------------------------1 - 5 year warranty top to bottom including pistons ( Cast pistons )

This thread was about information.. if Dan has some technical information.. then please share it but to come on here and blow your own horn and bash others who are trying to help is simply uncalled for. The topic was about fact and information on this engine.. Meant to be a true information exchange offered to increase understanding of the engine...Too bad it can't stay that way.

As you can see, with these recent postings....there was no added information with respect to the topic (engine).. just ego boasting "look at me" type posting.. pretty sad! Since the thread had some real good information exchange going on.. again.. sad one or 2 people desire to ruin a purely technical thread.

 

[IndyDan]

This thread was about information.. if Dan has some technical information.. then please share it but to come on here and blow your own horn and bash others who are trying to help is simply uncalled for. The topic was about fact and information on this engine.. Meant to be a true information exchange offered to increase understanding of the engine...Too bad it can't stay that way.

As you can see, with these recent postings....there was no added information with respect to the topic (engine).. just ego boasting "look at me" type posting.. pretty sad! Since the thread had some real good information exchange going on.. again.. sad one or 2 people desire to ruin a purely technical thread.

No Bashing o at all Kelsey, just facts.......the Polaris 132mm rod motor is hard on skirts on every piston made.

they all collapse including forged, I have boxes of them including wossner's

You say increasing rod ratio doesn't increase piston life, I say it does....... And I back it 100%

So....... when you start a thread saying the Polaris small block won't benefit from longer rods you are going after me. Period.

You indirectly started a thread bashing what i offer and that pushes what you offer.

Lets call a spade a spade for heavens sake.

You don't like me and I surely do not like you. simple.

You are constantly on my ass on every forum....... I am told all the time.

Facts are facts -Not bashing at all.

I say what I say and I back it 100% with a warranty you can not imagine.

Its not sad at all to me, You spoke & I spoke..........nothing more.

 

[RK Tek]

No Bashing o at all Kelsey, just facts.......the Polaris 132mm rod motor is hard on skirts on every piston made.

they all collapse including forged, I have boxes of them including wossner's :
Hey Dan, let's discuss it. what ya say??

I say what I say and I back it 100% with a warranty you can not imagine.
Warranty.. I would love to see this warranty or maybe I could just get Brian Brown to send me a copy of his.
DAN. will you please paste a copy of this warranty on this thread so we can all see it..? PLEASE! Since you are so proud of it.. Please show it to everyone

You say increasing rod ratio doesn't increase piston life, I say it does....... And I back it 100%:

Hey Dan... Where do I say any of this??

So....... when you start a thread saying the Polaris small block won't benefit from longer rods you are going after me. Period.

You indirectly started a thread bashing what i offer and that pushes what you offer:
Hey Dan..Please show me in this thread where I am pushing anything. I started this thread PURELY to help people understand more about their engine and it was doing that until you came here.

Lets call a spade a spade for heavens sake

BY ALL MEANS.. Let's do that.. Let's talk technical about it and get to the bottom of it. You game?

You don't like me and I surely do not like you. simple

Hey Dan.. I do not know you, personally. Please don't assume anything


You are constantly on my ass on every forum....... I am told all the time.

WOW! Really.. Not seeing this anywhere... Maybe check your sources? Now, the vice versa .. that is another story

Facts are facts -Not bashing at all.
REALLY.. where are your facts. again.. Let's discuss it... but bring some facts like you mention.

Its not sad at all to me, You spoke & I spoke..........nothing more.

Hey Dan.. Let's discuss the engine at hand.. I'm game.. I have many questions (that I have asked before with no reply).. Let's talk about it... You game??

 

[IndyDan]

I thought it may be helpful to post a little info on this engine and the large amount of "information" that surrounds this engine. I think S&M may have the more level headed members and HOPE that this thread can stay civil..

PLEASE take it as ONLY MY opinion (even though there are many other engine experts (including the manufacturers) who share this same opinion), but an opinion BACKED UP by REAL DATA (not theory or hear-say) and decades of experience

1) Rod Ratio is lacking: FACT: Polaris 800 CFI has the BEST rod ratio of any of the , modern, 800cc engines out there. The rod ratio is actually on the HIGHER end of the "acceptable" spectrum. Yes, there exists design guidelines for all engine builds.. and , again, the rod ratio of the CFI 800 is th ebest out there.

In short: There is absolutley no rod ratio issue. If there were, then Cat and Ski Doo would be suffering even worse.

( off the topic..but related) There is an aftermarket product that you can purchase that has a 3 year warranty on the entire engine: Without getting into any debate.. This is SIMPLY FALSE.

It is very unfortunate that people are mis-lead to believe this kit offers such a coverage.

It is not my intent to say anything postive or negative about any other product out there. BUT--> PLEASE, do not think that there is ANY 3 year engine failure aftermarket product available today!!

Please read the details and NOT the INTERNET FORUMS regarding this... What is covered with this "kit" is the crank and and cylinders from BREAKING!! AND ONLY IF the product is INSTALLED by the MANUFACTURER (which is totally understandable)!!! If you install the SAME products yourself.. NO WARRANTY ..

YOU SQUEAK a piston or Break a Piston--> NOT COVERED.. PISTONS ARE NOT COVERED!!
AGAIN, not saying ANYTHING negative, AT ALL, about this kit.. Just pointing out a few misconceptions that surround its "warranty" AND this thread is about misconceptions.. so, I felt it fit the mold..

Please guys... Let's not turn this informative thread into something it is not.. It is simply opinionated information, that , hopefully, SOME will find useful........

Peace

If this isn't 100% after Indy Specialty what is ?

I also have a 5 year motor....... and like the 3 year motor. Everything is under warranty except 2 things.

1 - 4 corner cold seize
2 - melted piston ( Lean )

Kelsey I Dare you to bring forward one person that's been mislead or not taken care of if there was a problem with a 3 Year motor.

This warranty must kill your sales the way you go after it...... It's even better then the factory 1st year by a mile !!

You don't know sh!t about my warranty........So don't Claim too.

 

[IndyDan]

Hey Dan.. Let's discuss the engine at hand.. I'm game.. I have many questions (that I have asked before with no reply).. Let's talk about it... You game??

I don't play games with shops that sell piston kits that do not even own a power stroke hone or a diamond head hone.

Go lay by your dish before you get hurt playing around.

 

[RK Tek]

So you ready to discuss it then???

Kelsey I Dare you to bring forward one person that's been mislead or not taken care of if there was a problem with a 3 Year motor.[/QUOTE]

Dan.. Really???Are you sure??

 

[RK Tek]

I don't play games with shops that sell piston kits that do not even own a power stroke hone or a diamond head hone.

Go lay by your dish before you get hurt playing around.

VERY CLASSY!! Thanks for proving my point...

 

[IndyDan]

So you ready to discuss it then???

Kelsey I Dare you to bring forward one person that's been mislead or not taken care of if there was a problem with a 3 Year motor.[/QUOTE]

Dan.. Really???Are you sure??

ABSOLUTEY POSITIVE !!

 

[IndyDan]

Hey Dan.. Let's discuss the engine at hand.. I'm game.. I have many questions (that I have asked before with no reply).. Let's talk about it... You game??

BRIAN BROWN YOU ASKED - THIS WAS EASY !! YOU GOT ANYMORE SMARTY PANTS ?

You want me to post pics of wossners that you sold that stuck ?

HERES THE INVOICE Kelsey - Did Brian tell you something other then ZERO ??

CHECK OUT THE SHIPPING CHARGES FOR NEXT DAY AIR

EDITTED: TO LET EVERYONE KNOW KELSEY DELETED HIS POST ABOUT BRIAN BROWN'S MOTOR THE POST RIGHT BEFORE THIS ONE.

Him deleting his post puts a hole this thread that makes my rage hard to understand. Just wanted clear that up.

Maybe KELSEY will explain why he deleted it...................?

 

[IndyDan]

Kelsey, why don't you ask His Brother Todd & their Dad how their motors I sold them are running and if they cold stuck theirs. Are you pissy because they are in your back yard in Utah and won't buy from you.

These guys are Automated Dairy Farmers from Utah. Great Family !!

There can always be time a customer gets antsy and sticks one I still normally warranty it.

 

[IndyDan]

Kelsey, you get the warranty papers when you buy a motor.

 

[sleded1]

where in Canada can these motors be purchased? other than Ebay? do you have a dealer in Alberta? I have a 2012 800 needs new everything...

 

[IndyDan]

Kelsey never mentioned that almost the entire Brown Family has Turbo's on their sleds and they absolutely school Kelsey's stuff.

Brian's motor has a Turbo and I warrantied the pistons & cylinder.

How many Turbo's have you warrantied with stuck wossners ?

 

[IndyDan]

where in Canada can these motors be purchased? other than Ebay? do you have a dealer in Alberta? I have a 2012 800 needs new everything...

Mountain Magic Snow Machines - Talk to Ken.

8524 126 ave NE
Edmonton AB T5B1G9
780-474-9400

 

[IndyDan]

So you ready to discuss it then???

Kelsey I Dare you to bring forward one person that's been mislead or not taken care of if there was a problem with a 3 Year motor.[/QUOTE]

Dan.. Really???Are you sure??

Hey Kelsey !!! Where did your Brian Brown post go ??

If your man enough to post a question about Brian Brown's motor you should be man enough to leave it posted.

Kelsey said this - QUOTE - What about Brian Brown's Motor ?

Minutes later I posted his Invoice - Kelsey's Post s gone.

I called Todd Brown to let him know Kelsey is wondering about Brian's Motor.

Hopefully he weighs in on Kelsey's question.

 

[IndyDan]

Sorry I did not mean for this to happen. I am simply protecting my business.

But this is the stuff Kelsey does all the time - talking **** about my shop without saying my name. When Kelsey says the word warranty you can bet its not about his product.

Warranty - Means Indy Specialty When Kelsey speaks. Because he hates it.

Rod Ratio - Means Indy Specialty when Kelsey speaks. Because he hates it.

He has been talking **** about my warranty for years and he doesn't know anything about warranty other then he doesn't have one.

What Kelsey offer is this..............Listen to me I am the greatest and buy my stuff everybody else is wrong.

KNOW ONE WORKS LESS AND TYPES MORE ON FORUMS THEN KELSEY @ RK TEK

Do a search its mind blowing the thrashing he gives my shop with those terms.

I give a warranty because I want people to feel comfortable they will be taken care of if they choose our Products. We can all make mistakes and if we do I fix them for free.

Dan

 

[adamg]

This thread is awesome. So much better than Lenny and Cuso's slap fest.

 

[Rhodesie]

I was actually getting pretty bored with s&m until now. can't wait to ride my rk tek 858 again this season, lol.

 

[neilsleder]

Indy Dan what's your thoughts in after market cans on motors and big bores? Rk and a few others say even with a big bore your better off with the stock can, you agree with this? I can see with a stock motor yah but with a big bore I just can't see it being better. But that's just my opinion