Jackson Hole Hill Climb

[maxwell]

you ever sat back and thought about how much you contradict yourself? in one thread its all about the machine. the next it's all about the rider. you have doo shoved so far up your arse you can't even think straight. you should seriously look at getting into politics man. you could be the the next leader of the liberal party and lead this great nation. you really have that thought process perfected, lol.

lol im not sure where i said its all about the machine in regards to racing? i do recall saying everyone should have a factory turbo yep because they are a blast.

 

[maxwell]

Fixed it for you.

hey they are getting closer to me switching, just need to ditch that awful steering system and were dang close.

 

[Teth-Air]

hey they are getting closer to me switching, just need to ditch that awful steering system and were dang close.

I used to ride Doo and never had an issue with the steering but after I switched and got used to a vertical steering post I found I became a much better rider. The fact is if you are over top of the bars, the horizontal (doo)steering post is easier as you can use body weight to push down on one side or the other. With the Poo/Cat you need to push and pull, but advanced riding does not often allow you to be directly above the bars. Usually you are way out to the side, and now this is where the vertical design shines. You can now push and pull on the bars where with Doo you are trying to lift up and push down while your arms are stretched at a distance.

You really have to stick your arms out in front of you and go through the motions of up/down or push/pull to get an idea of what I am saying. Which motion do you feel your arms would have more power?

Now here is where it gets complicated for me. The sleds are getting so narrow and more snow-bike like in many ways. The trend is going away from "wrong foot forward" to more "stay centered". This style of centered riding is more suited to the horizontal steering post and if the sleds progress to a point that you can stay centered all the time, the Doo steering might be preferred. That said, snow-bikes have vertical steering posts and nobody complains about them.

 

[niner]

Is this even a complement? Good job Kyle but let’s talk about me. I guess everyone who didn’t make it sucks because Burandt climbed it on a 600 once.

 

[snopro]

Is this even a complement? Good job Kyle but let’s talk about me. I guess everyone who didn’t make it sucks because Burandt climbed it on a 600 once.

Someone has I'mfullofititis? I admire Kyle from coming out from Minny. He even brought a chit load of fans. If Burandt is still that good why isn't he there?

 

[1100]

I used to ride Doo and never had an issue with the steering but after I switched and got used to a vertical steering post I found I became a much better rider. The fact is if you are over top of the bars, the horizontal (doo)steering post is easier as you can use body weight to push down on one side or the other. With the Poo/Cat you need to push and pull, but advanced riding does not often allow you to be directly above the bars. Usually you are way out to the side, and now this is where the vertical design shines. You can now push and pull on the bars where with Doo you are trying to lift up and push down while your arms are stretched at a distance.

You really have to stick your arms out in front of you and go through the motions of up/down or push/pull to get an idea of what I am saying. Which motion do you feel your arms would have more power?

Now here is where it gets complicated for me. The sleds are getting so narrow and more snow-bike like in many ways. The trend is going away from "wrong foot forward" to more "stay centered". This style of centered riding is more suited to the horizontal steering post and if the sleds progress to a point that you can stay centered all the time, the Doo steering might be preferred. That said, snow-bikes have vertical steering posts and nobody complains about them.

Dirt bikes do not have vertical steering. The bars do not stay flat when you turn. It’s not as extreme as doo steering post. But far closer to horizontal steering then vertical steering. I find when I ride a sled with horizontal steering. Many doos and a nytro, my arms stay straight and parallel with each other, same with my dirt bikes. The vertical steering makes me bend my elbow on bar grip that is closest to you when turning, because it stays flat. Which I find take input out of what I’m doing. It’s all a personal preference. I like the way Arctic cat offers both options.

 

[Caper11]

hey they are getting closer to me switching, just need to ditch that awful steering system and were dang close.

I agree as well.
The time I spent on Polaris sleds lately, Im not minding the steering as much as I used to. The steering works for That chassis, I know a person who tried a lay down kit that was a hard core doo rider when he switched to polaris, he ended up putting the post forward kit back in.

Id really like to leave my sled at home for a weekend, and actually ride a polaris for two or three days straight.

 

[snopro]

I agree as well.
The time I spent on Polaris sleds lately, Im not minding the steering as much as I used to. The steering works for That chassis, I know a person who tried a lay down kit that was a hard core doo rider when he switched to polaris, he ended up putting the post forward kit back in.

Id really like to leave my sled at home for a weekend, and actually ride a polaris for two or three days straight.

Matt, there will be a couple gentlemen stopping by to pay you a visit. Don't be alarmed. They just want to revoke your Doolaide contract.

 

[maxwell]

Matt, there will be a couple gentlemen stopping by to pay you a visit. Don't be alarmed. They just want to revoke your Doolaide contract.

lmao, i was gona say.....next time im out riding with matt might have to drop him at the train station

 

[Jorgy]

I agree as well.
The time I spent on Polaris sleds lately, Im not minding the steering as much as I used to. The steering works for That chassis, I know a person who tried a lay down kit that was a hard core doo rider when he switched to polaris, he ended up putting the post forward kit back in.

Id really like to leave my sled at home for a weekend, and actually ride a polaris for two or three days straight.

Funny, that’s how I feel about ski-doo. Afraid I may like it though so better not try

 

[o zone guy]

i will go up that hill one of these days soon, but not at KC's level, i like cheeseburgers way too much. LOL

peTeRs drive inn red deer gasoline aLLeY

 

[maxwell]

peTeRs drive inn red deer gasoline aLLeY

Got one in Edmonton now too

 

[o zone guy]

Why doesn't Ski-Doo hire some good riders? I'm sure this event sells sleds. I nominate Sean Maxwell! Move over Carl.

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[o zone guy]

Got one in Edmonton now too

o wow 2 sToP McGee would be proud .. triple header if u sTop iNN CaLGaRy winkKK !! winkKK !! TRiPLEBurger wiT a xXxLarge DieT CokKe nowW youR taLkin .. i Like ThaTs.. home of the up in Flames .. Flames .. maybe coach darryl can work parT -TiMe aT peTeRs seeing iTs an earLy exiT !! and his bro LiVes iNN red deer area .. LoL... Go LeaFs GoooooOOOOO !! ok everybody o zone s back puT on youR Glasses ... MeaTBaLLs .. The PasT is A MYsTerY... The FuTURE is ReaL ... HuH !!

 

[scotts]

o wow 2 sToP McGee would be proud .. triple header if u sTop iNN CaLGaRy winkKK !! winkKK !! TRiPLEBurger wiT a xXxLarge DieT CokKe nowW youR taLkin .. i Like ThaTs.. home of the up in Flames .. Flames .. maybe coach darryl can work parT -TiMe aT peTeRs seeing iTs an earLy exiT !! and his bro LiVes iNN red deer area .. LoL... Go LeaFs GoooooOOOOO !! ok everybody o zone s back puT on youR Glasses ... MeaTBaLLs .. The PasT is A MYsTerY... The FuTURE is ReaL ... HuH !!

What I'd really be interested in knowing is what you possibly could have edited in your post Ozone?? Lol

 

[Pistonbroke]

[TL/DR]: Jackson Hole hosts an annual snowmobile hill climb event on a local ski hill. Polaris won everything (again), and Ski-Doo faithful are butthurt (again). Thread took several side trips including border crossings, chains on ski loops, steering geometry, and possibilities of sending S&M’s elite crew of old farts, young farts, and fat farts to compete next year.

 

[scotts]

[TL/DR]: Jackson Hole hosts an annual snowmobile hill climb event on a local ski hill. Polaris won everything (again), and Ski-Doo faithful are butthurt (again). Thread took several side trips including border crossings, chains on ski loops, steering geometry, and possibilities of sending S&M’s elite crew of old farts, young farts, and fat farts to compete next year.

we have a Crew like that around here called the FOG club "fat old guys"!

 

[shockman]

I used to ride Doo and never had an issue with the steering but after I switched and got used to a vertical steering post I found I became a much better rider. The fact is if you are over top of the bars, the horizontal (doo)steering post is easier as you can use body weight to push down on one side or the other. With the Poo/Cat you need to push and pull, but advanced riding does not often allow you to be directly above the bars. Usually you are way out to the side, and now this is where the vertical design shines. You can now push and pull on the bars where with Doo you are trying to lift up and push down while your arms are stretched at a distance.

You really have to stick your arms out in front of you and go through the motions of up/down or push/pull to get an idea of what I am saying. Which motion do you feel your arms would have more power?

Now here is where it gets complicated for me. The sleds are getting so narrow and more snow-bike like in many ways. The trend is going away from "wrong foot forward" to more "stay centered". This style of centered riding is more suited to the horizontal steering post and if the sleds progress to a point that you can stay centered all the time, the Doo steering might be preferred. That said, snow-bikes have vertical steering posts and nobody complains about them.

I am pretty much a creeper on here, and find most sled experts are extremely bias and usually don’t know what they don’t know. I’ve listened to the steering post debate for years now and this is by far the best comment I’ve heard. Not right,not wrong just different and if everyone thought about this description they could decide what is preferable for their riding style. Just saying
oh and this doesn’t put tethy on a pedestal quite yet LOL

 

[snopro]

[TL/DR]: Jackson Hole hosts an annual snowmobile hill climb event on a local ski hill. Polaris won everything (again), and Ski-Doo faithful are butthurt (again). Thread took several side trips including border crossings, chains on ski loops, steering geometry, and possibilities of sending S&M’s elite crew of old farts, young farts, and fat farts to compete next year.

Polaris won 17 classes, Doo 8 and Cat 4 I believe. Please post Yamaha's results for comparison purposes please. Thanks!

 

[Pistonbroke]

Polaris won 17 classes, Doo 8 and Cat 4 I believe. Please post Yamaha's results for comparison purposes please. Thanks!

Please stay on topic, Ken. LOL. I am merely providing an executive summary for the readers.