has anyone been pulled over for over the 65 ft length

[skegpro]

i belive you do to pull dual tarailerslegally anyways. at least that is what i was informed by an rc friend of ours. they just done enforce it hard.

I am going to have to call bs on your RC buddy....

Class 5 Licence

Permits an operator to drive:
•A two axle single motor vehicle, excluding a motorcycle
•A two axle motor vehicle towing a trailer with one or more axles, if the trailer is not equipped with airbrakes
•A recreational vehicle or any combination of a recreational vehicle and a trailer, if the trailer has not more than two axles and is not equipped with airbrakes
•A moped
•Class 1, 2, 3, 4 and 6 type vehicles, for learning only
No holder of a Class 5 operator's licence shall operate a motor vehicle:
•That has a seating capacity of more than 15, while that vehicle is transporting any person in addition to the operator
•To transport passengers for hire
The minimum learning age is 14.
The minimum licensing age is 16.

Requirements: road test.

Vehicle for road test: any two axle motor vehicle excluding a motorcycle.

Class 1 Licence

Permits an operator to drive:
•Any motor vehicle, or combination of vehicles, other than a motorcycle
•Class 6 type vehicles, for learning only
The minimum learning or licensing age is 18.

Class 3 Licence

Permits an operator to drive:
•Any motor vehicle, or combination of vehicles that the holder of a Class 5 operator's licence may operate
•A single motor vehicle with three or more axles
•A motor vehicle with three or more axles towing a trailer with one or more axles, if the trailer is not equipped with airbrakes
•Class 2 and 4 type vehicles without passengers
•All motor vehicles included under Class 1, 2 and 6, for learning only
No holder of a Class 3 operator's licence shall operate a motor vehicle:
•That has a seating capacity of more than 15, while that vehicle is transporting any person in addition to the operator
•To transport passengers for hire
The minimum learning or licensing age is 18.
Requirements: vision screening, written and road test, airbrake certificate if the vehicle is equipped with airbrakes.

Vehicle for road test: Any single motor vehicle having three or more axles.

 

[RMK Junky]

Going commercial solves everything...... Now you have a whole other can of BS to deal with. A whole other set of rules and regs to deal with resulting in serious repercussions when infractions are found....not alot of fun Liability issues are large

Buying a second vehicle is also a pain but trivial when considering the ladder :d It all boils down to having the right equipment for the job. Sure we all cut corners here and there to try and save a $$$ but in all reallity it bites you in the A$$ anyway

 

[Longhorn]

Going commercial solves everything...... Now you have a whole other can of BS to deal with. A whole other set of rules and regs to deal with resulting in serious repercussions when infractions are found....not alot of fun Liability issues are large

Buying a second vehicle is also a pain but trivial when considering the ladder :d It all boils down to having the right equipment for the job. Sure we all cut corners here and there to try and save a $$$ but in all reallity it bites you in the A$$ anyway

Liability issues are LESS...not more...

No other BS, not sure what you are talking about...same rules apply to a 'personal' vehicle, just most guys that complain about tickets are breaking those simple rules...

Hiway Traffic Safety Act applies to both personal AND private vehicles. Only difference is that you would have to scale if you were to register over 4500kg, but why would you on a personal vehicle which is likely a 1/2 or 3/4 ton. I dont even on my 1-ton as we weight register all our trailers...

Do you have any experiences you can share about the BS attached to commercial plates? Maybe I misunderstood your response...

 

[Mike270412]

don't have a fifth wheel so I just haul the trailer

you sayin they alwaqys make ya pull the jeep as well. fuggers.

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[Longhorn]

don't have a fifth wheel so I just haul the trailer



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Length issues solved...just pull her on top, done deal, thread closed!!!

 

[teeroy]

don't have a fifth wheel so I just haul the trailer

used to love it when I swamped on mullen unit #777....built by the farm team in Leduc, had no poles and no 5th wheel. easy peasy

 

[RMK Junky]

Liability issues are LESS...not more...

No other BS, not sure what you are talking about...same rules apply to a 'personal' vehicle, just most guys that complain about tickets are breaking those simple rules...

Hiway Traffic Safety Act applies to both personal AND private vehicles. Only difference is that you would have to scale if you were to register over 4500kg, but why would you on a personal vehicle which is likely a 1/2 or 3/4 ton. I dont even on my 1-ton as we weight register all our trailers...

Do you have any experiences you can share about the BS attached to commercial plates? Maybe I misunderstood your response...

Commercial liabilities are very high. One truck or 200. I'm liable for everyone arround me. Some people see me as a traveling cash cow on the road if opportunity knocks. I carry $2,000,000 liability with a $3,000,000 umbrella ( $5,000,000 total..is it enough??) to cover my ass in a worst case sinerio on one truck. Don't put yourself in that spot. Seen it, not pretty.

If you register for 4500 and pulling two loaded trailers, camper and what ever combo...are you of legal weight? Now register for 4400 with commercial plates and slide by under the wire...and haul fawk all in a combo figuration. You can pull 2 trailers all you want but don't be over weight. Axle spacings in conjunction with pivot points for legal weight is another matter alltogether.

Personal AND private are the same. Private/Personal and Commercial are two different worlds all together. My carrier profile is spotless and so is my licence. Any infractions affect my world full circle.

As far as I'm concerned with what I've seen going up and down the road, the private sector needs to be controlled alot more than it is. Sure there are the honest folks that try their best and have no real clue but luck out anyway. Then there's the others that just completely amaze me on how they've got this far without killing anyone or themselves.

 

[Longhorn]

Commercial liabilities are very high. One truck or 200. I'm liable for everyone arround me. Some people see me as a traveling cash cow on the road if opportunity knocks. I carry $2,000,000 liability with a $3,000,000 umbrella ( $5,000,000 total..is it enough??) to cover my ass in a worst case sinerio on one truck. Don't put yourself in that spot. Seen it, not pretty.

If you register for 4500 and pulling two loaded trailers, camper and what ever combo...are you of legal weight? Now register for 4400 with commercial plates and slide by under the wire...and haul fawk all in a combo figuration. You can pull 2 trailers all you want but don't be over weight. Axle spacings in conjunction with pivot points for legal weight is another matter alltogether.

Personal AND private are the same. Private/Personal and Commercial are two different worlds all together. My carrier profile is spotless and so is my licence. Any infractions affect my world full circle.

As far as I'm concerned with what I've seen going up and down the road, the private sector needs to be controlled alot more than it is. Sure there are the honest folks that try their best and have no real clue but luck out anyway. Then there's the others that just completely amaze me on how they've got this far without killing anyone or themselves.

Whoa...Pump your brakes...

Yes, everything you are saying is CORRECT...I am not argueing that (just want to be clear) but you are talking about a Semi tractor and I am talking about a pick up, two very distant worlds here.

Unless I misread the original post, he is pulling with a pick up? At least that is how I read it...I am suggesting the LEGAL and right way to solve his issue is to get commercial plates and insurance, and then he can also apply for and carry an over-length (Over Dimension) permit and utilize his rig as-is...

You however are comparing NSC issues (over 11,700kg) and I agree that is a whole differnt ball of wax, but does not apply to the original post.

As far as how I register at 4500, yes it is enough as I also register all the trailers for weight so it is the combined registered weights of both units when I am hooked to a trailer, otherwise I can bypass the scales when I am truck only.

Rules for personal vehicle vs rules for commercial under 4500kg are nearly identical, except I dont get hassled by the RCMP only the DOT cops...

I only made the suggestion based on what I 'assume' he is pulling with...

On another note: I do also agree that the insurance thing sucks, we carry 3mil on all vehicles PLUS 5 Mil for oilfield construction so trust me I feel your pain. Premiums for 8Mil is ridiculous...

 

[RMK Junky]

Commercial plates with a GVW of 4500 or 63,500 kgs follow the same rules obviously. If he is personal only then the length issue is a legal matter, not weight. As far as permits are concerned it is classified as a divisable load in the commercial aspect. Not going to happen. LVC units require permits to haul freight on dual lane hiways. They do have to draw the line somewhere. It's a money grab when permits are involved.

If it looks like a hazard on the road (personal vehicle) you will be stopped...sooner or later. Just a matter of time.

And with your dually registered at 4500 and not pulling a trailer. You still need to pull into the scale when lights are flashing but allowed to pass on the MT side. They still might want to check you out.

 

[Longhorn]

Commercial plates with a GVW of 4500 or 63,500 kgs follow the same rules obviously. If he is personal only then the length issue is a legal matter, not weight. As far as permits are concerned it is classified as a divisable load in the commercial aspect. Not going to happen. LVC units require permits to haul freight on dual lane hiways. They do have to draw the line somewhere. It's a money grab when permits are involved.

If it looks like a hazard on the road (personal vehicle) you will be stopped...sooner or later. Just a matter of time.

And with your dually registered at 4500 and not pulling a trailer. You still need to pull into the scale when lights are flashing but allowed to pass on the MT side. They still might want to check you out.

3 sets of requirements in AB...

0-4500kg
4500-11,700kg
over 11,700kg

Rules of the 'road' are close to the same, big difference is in the inspection processes, CVIP, etc. NSC does not apply to any vehicles registered UNDER 11,700kg.

Now one thing that might screw things up is inter-provincial travel. You can reamain under 4500kg WITHIN the province but as soon as you leave the province you must apply for a safety fitness certificate and register NSC same as 11,700kg.

I misled you a bit about my truck, it is registered as 4495kg, so I dont have to stop at any scales...still under the 4500kg.

You are completly right about divisible load, and I had forgotten about that as oilfield is exempt from divisible load rules (for the most part), and I would still argue that 2 trailers while you can unhook them would be considered divisible, but there is not 65ft rule with commercial loads so would that not still fix his problem? If we talk much longer, Im gonna have to start looking things up LOL...

 

[RMK Junky]

See that's a point also. I'm Federally regulated not Prov. CVIP once a year with AB base plate. Commercial LVC permits are for certian hwys and byways only. QE 2 is prime example.

Smaller gvw units are kind of off beat and not really watched as carefully as us big guys. Atleast around here anyway. Once and awhile the DOT get on their kicks with these guys and really go to town with infractions of all sorts.

Anything over 24m in lenght I believe with commercial requires a trail vehicle...pilot car.

 

[Longhorn]

See that's a point also. I'm Federally regulated not Prov. CVIP once a year with AB base plate. Commercial LVC permits are for certian hwys and byways only. QE 2 is prime example.

Smaller gvw units are kind of off beat and not really watched as carefully as us big guys. Atleast around here anyway. Once and awhile the DOT get on their kicks with these guys and really go to town with infractions of all sorts.

Anything over 23m in lenght I believe with commercial requires a trail vehicle...pilot car.

I think the guy should just get a shorter unit LOL...

Im glad I dont have a 'big' truck, or a bunch of em...

 

[Scuba]

the other guy was right , all did was a measuremnt...
now I will look for another truck to pull the second trailer

I have a 94 ford 150 with 5.8l forsale....just saying

 

[Riverjet]

I had to laugh when a DOT friend of mine told me about the people from Alberta that made it all the way to Prince George while towing one of those doubled up rigs. I think he said it was a pull trailer and a boat on behind it. They were heading to Prince Rupert fishing.
That had to be an expensive trip. :d

 

[teeroy]

I had to laugh when a DOT friend of mine told me about the people from Alberta that made it all the way to Prince George while towing one of those doubled up rigs. I think he said it was a pull trailer and a boat on behind it. They were heading to Prince Rupert fishing.
That had to be an expensive trip. :d

2 bumper pulls aren't legal in Alberta either. saskie thing