Good read for green energy proponents

[ABMax24]

And yet you still haven't refuted the facts of that article. The problem for you is you cant produce anybody with even close to the same credentials to counter his position. My conclusion is based on the facts and common sense.... you on the other hand keep trying to sell and justify technology that has never. anywhere in the world, been successful financially without massive subsidies of one kind or another by taxpayers. Add to that the technical issues presented in that article and these green energy schemes, to a fair minded person, are a poor idea in every way.

What am I, your fact checker? Pretty sure we had a similar discussion a few months back where you admitted you know much less than you claim about renewable energy, where I provided you examples of subsidy free renewable energy projects in Alberta, and you left in a huff. So either you're as forgetful as your buddy Biden, or you really are the pigeon playing chess.

 

[jhurkot]

Well said! Lots of technology may look good at first glance, but when everything is taken into account, the facts and common sense still are the yardstick as to whether they are viable environmentally and financially. The trouble with the greenies is that they typically have no technical ability and are easily led by the hucksters that promote this snake oil. And once they've made the decision to spend money on installing a system or buying an EV, its tough for them to admit the mistake and the fact that they bought a bill of goods....

I seriously regret buying an EV. Can’t do road trips or drive in temperatures below 5 degrees Celsius. Very sad

 

[ABMax24]

I seriously regret buying an EV. Can’t do road trips or drive in temperatures below 5 degrees Celsius. Very sad

I've got a crow that sits on one of my solar panels for about 20 minutes everyday, totally kills my output, makes me think about removing the panels entirely. I'm trying to persuade the city to put up some wind turbines to slice up the crows, waiting to hear back...

 

[Cdnfireman]

What am I, your fact checker? Pretty sure we had a similar discussion a few months back where you admitted you know much less than you claim about renewable energy, where I provided you examples of subsidy free renewable energy projects in Alberta, and you left in a huff. So either you're as forgetful as your buddy Biden, or you really are the pigeon playing chess.

No, you’re not a fact checker unless it fits your narrative, just like all the other misguided greenies that can’t understand the science of where materials come from and what the financial and environmental costs are of their poor decisions. You took taxpayer money to put a solar system on your roof, a system that will eventually fail as they always do, a system that meets it’s rated output only a few weeks a year. A system that takes more energy to produce than it will ever generate and will be an environmental detriment when it’s landfilled because it can’t be recycled. You feel superior and holier-than-thou because you think you’re saving the world and the environment when in fact you’re following the moronic herd that is pushing systems that are produced at huge environmental costs, that rely on child labour in the third world for materials and produce huge lakes of hazardous waste byproducts. But you can’t see that when you look up at your solar panels, and it’s not your kids ass deep in a mine somewhere in Africa so you don’t care. You following the green edicts and feeling good about yourself is what matters.

 

[ABMax24]

No, you’re not a fact checker unless it fits your narrative, just like all the other misguided greenies that can’t understand the science of where materials come from and what the financial and environmental costs are of their poor decisions. You took taxpayer money to put a solar system on your roof, a system that will eventually fail as they always do, a system that meets it’s rated output only a few weeks a year. A system that takes more energy to produce than it will ever generate and will be an environmental detriment when it’s landfilled because it can’t be recycled. You feel superior and holier-than-thou because you think you’re saving the world and the environment when in fact you’re following the moronic herd that is pushing systems that are produced at huge environmental costs, that rely on child labour in the third world for materials and produce huge lakes of hazardous waste byproducts. But you can’t see that when you look up at your solar panels, and it’s not your kids ass deep in a mine somewhere in Africa so you don’t care. You following the green edicts and feeling good about yourself is what matters.

I'm not having this circular argument with you, for what a 4th time? As usual I could go line by line through you post and prove you wrong, but I have better things to do with my time.

I take great joy in the fact that I anger you so much you feel the need to re-hash the same argument every 6 months. I live rent free in your mind, every time you see a renewable energy project I'm sure your anger grows, every time you see a solar panel, a wind turbine, probably even the color green.

The world will change and renewables are coming, and there is nothing you can do to stop it, you are powerless. And to top it all off the carbon tax increases tomorrow.

This is fun, at least for me, LMFAO.

 

[Cdnfireman]

I'm not having this circular argument with you, for what a 4th time? As usual I could go line by line through you post and prove you wrong, but I have better things to do with my time.

I take great joy in the fact that I anger you so much you feel the need to re-hash the same argument every 6 months. I live rent free in your mind, every time you see a renewable energy project I'm sure your anger grows, every time you see a solar panel, a wind turbine, probably even the color green.

The world will change and renewables are coming, and there is nothing you can do to stop it, you are powerless. And to top it all off the carbon tax increases tomorrow.

This is fun, at least for me, LMFAO.

Me too....I love the fact that you continue to be proven wrong yet avoid facing the truth. You always threaten to prove me wrong, but you never do. You’re like most entitled people....you’re a hypocrite and you don’t care what happens outside your world, as long as when you hold your hand out, someone puts something in it for free. The world is always changing, and technology will advance that gives us clean, convenient, reliable energy sources that don’t demand continual subsidies or sweetheart rate deals or lay waste to the environment and the economy like your renewables do. It doesn’t anger me, it just astounds me that people are that easily led around by their noses and can’t see the big picture. Look at the people pushing these ideas and ask yourself if you trust or respect them. I doubt you’ll be honest with yourself in that assessment either.

 

[ATV Rancher]

What could possibly go wrong?

California’s two U.S. Senators, both Democrats, are calling on President Joe Biden to ban the sale of gasoline-powered cars in the United States.Sens. Diane Feinstein and Alex Padilla sent a letter to Biden urging him to “follow California’s lead and set a date by which all new cars and passenger trucks sold be zero-emission vehicles.”

https://tennesseestar.com/2021/03/2...the-sale-of-gasoline-powered-cars-in-the-u-s/

 

[Cdnfireman]

What could possibly go wrong?

https://tennesseestar.com/2021/03/2...the-sale-of-gasoline-powered-cars-in-the-u-s/

No more gas powered vehicles except their limousines and the suburbans of their security details....and their private jets of course.

 

[ABMax24]

Me too....I love the fact that you continue to be proven wrong yet avoid facing the truth. You always threaten to prove me wrong, but you never do. You’re like most entitled people....you’re a hypocrite and you don’t care what happens outside your world, as long as when you hold your hand out, someone puts something in it for free. The world is always changing, and technology will advance that gives us clean, convenient, reliable energy sources that don’t demand continual subsidies or sweetheart rate deals or lay waste to the environment and the economy like your renewables do. It doesn’t anger me, it just astounds me that people are that easily led around by their noses and can’t see the big picture. Look at the people pushing these ideas and ask yourself if you trust or respect them. I doubt you’ll be honest with yourself in that assessment either.

Except you can't back any of your assertions with anything that resembles science. You just dig up articles by failing individuals that are payed by a giant corporation to write an extremely skewed article.

You can't even follow basic math, so how would you even be able to prove or disprove that a solar system generates more energy than is used to create it? (I wrote this all out for you in the Ft McKay solar thread in relation to the replacement of diesel, nothing but crickets on your end) Or do you just believe what is written in front of you and fail to question any of it?

 

[jhurkot]

No more gas powered vehicles except their limousines and the suburbans of their security details....and their private jets of course.

Tesla is making a CyberLimo.

 

[Cdnfireman]

Except you can't back any of your assertions with anything that resembles science. You just dig up articles by failing individuals that are payed by a giant corporation to write an extremely skewed article.

You can't even follow basic math, so how would you even be able to prove or disprove that a solar system generates more energy than is used to create it? (I wrote this all out for you in the Ft McKay solar thread in relation to the replacement of diesel, nothing but crickets on your end) Or do you just believe what is written in front of you and fail to question any of it?

Read the article, read the authors CV, read the footnotes. Hardly a failure, much more qualified and experienced than the Green Party and tides foundation spokespeople that spout about renewables, and most of the footnotes are from organizations and researchers that have no skin in the game. How is that skewed? You never refute their facts. I don’t know how the evidence can be any clearer as to why the sourcing of the materials used to manufacture the components is environmentally unsound. By the time the equipment arrives on site it’s already deep in the hole as far as costs to the environment goes, and the environmental costs keep getting bigger as the system is installed. Let’s face it, there’s no proof that anyone can come up with that you will believe anything but that green energy schemes are the answer and have no environmental or financial downsides.

 

[ABMax24]

Read the article, read the authors CV, read the footnotes. Hardly a failure, much more qualified and experienced than the Green Party and tides foundation spokespeople that spout about renewables, and most of the footnotes are from organizations and researchers that have no skin in the game. How is that skewed? You never refute their facts. I don’t know how the evidence can be any clearer as to why the sourcing of the materials used to manufacture the components is environmentally unsound. By the time the equipment arrives on site it’s already deep in the hole as far as costs to the environment goes, and the environmental costs keep getting bigger as the system is installed. Let’s face it, there’s no proof that anyone can come up with that you will believe anything but that green energy schemes are the answer and have no environmental or financial downsides.

I have read the article, and dozens more. Look at the first chart in that article, comparing tons of materials to twh of electricity generated. Seems pretty disingenuous to compare solar, wind and hydro (all of which generate electricity solely on their own, capturing, harnessing, and converting that energy to electricity) to a natural gas power plant. Which is solely an energy conversion device converting natural gas to electricity. To have a fair comparison it should also include the pipelines, gas plants, gas gathering systems, field compressors and gas wells to represent a true energy system. This and other areas are how I know this article is deliberately written to have a slant against renewable energy, and as you say look at the author, he clearly wouldn't make such a foolish mistake, unless it was intentional and the outcome was determined before all the facts for the article were found.

As usual you are trying to put claim I've said something I haven't, I have never once said there are no environmental or financial costs associated with renewable energy, but only a fool would believe these issues don't already exist with traditional energy systems as well. I've also at one point pointed these out to you as well, including the "toxic wastes" (your catch phrase) that are created by existing industries like oil and gas. Human existence on this planet creates disturbance to the natural environment, it's just a matter of what's worse. I'm not convinced blasting apart foothills and mountains to mine a 50ft seam of coal makes any sense.

I have zero issues with having a logical conversation with anyone on renewable energy, or any energy source for that matter, but I'm not going to argue the same points time and time again.

 

[ATV Rancher]

No more gas powered vehicles except their limousines and the suburbans of their security details....and their private jets of course.

How else would the elitists get to the climate summits?

 

[jhurkot]

https://www.canadianmanufacturing.c...u8e8GqHCfX8INNJJtV7lVAt8_2HJ7h34Jo2Fx15Ty8nVw

 

[ABMax24]

Here's some more renewable projects being built in Alberta, or projects aimed at storing electricity generated by renewable energy:

This list is not exhaustive, I know I've missed a few.

400MWh Pump Hydro Storage facility near Edson, TC is a major investor in this:
https://www.hydroreview.com/hydro-i...creek-pumped-storage-project-in-alberta/#gref

9MW Solar facility near Caroline
http://www.pacecanadalp.com/portfolios/caroline-solar-9mw/

300MW Wind Farm near Oyen
https://www.edpr.com/north-america/sharp-hills-wind-farm

6MW Solar Facility east of Hanna
http://www.pacecanadalp.com/portfolios/youngstown-solar-6mw/

13MW Solar Facility southeast of Hanna
http://www.pacecanadalp.com/portfolios/hanna-sheerness-solar-13mw/

120MW Wind Farm south of Drumheller
https://wheatlandwind.com/

26MW Solar Facility east of Strathmore
http://elementalenergy.ca/portfolio/east-strathmore-solar/

40MW Solar Facility southeast of Strathmore
https://www.prairiesunlight.com/strathmore

25MW Solar Facility in Calgary
https://www.dpenergy.com/news/dp-en...-in-canada-moves-towards-approval-in-calgary/

132MW Solar Facility near Claresholm (a portion of this is complete and already connected to the grid)
https://capstoneinfrastructure.com/our-businesses/in-development/claresholm

515MW Wind Farm near Lamond
https://lethbridgenewsnow.com/2021/01/22/500-million-wind-farm-proposed-near-lomond-input-needed/

77MW Solar Facility in Vulcan County (on the same site as Blackspring Ridge Wind Farm)
https://www.edf-re.com/project/vulcan-solar/

74MW Solar Facility north of Enchant
https://www.prairiesunlight.com/projects

60MW Wind Farm south of Magrath
https://www.oldelmwindfarm.ca/

41MW Solar facility east of Wrentham
https://www.prairiesunlight.com/wrentham

20MW Solar Facility Burdett
https://bluearthrenewables.com/projects/burdett-solar-project/

200MW Wind Farm southeast of Burdett
https://www.suncor.com/en-ca/about-us/wind-power/suncor-energy-forty-mile-wind-power-project

19MW Solar Farm County of Forty Mile
https://bluearthrenewables.com/projects/yellow-lake-solar-project/

97MW Wind Farm adjacent to the existing Whitla Wind Facility
https://www.capitalpower.com/operations/whitla-wind-2/

210MW Wind Farm Cypress County
https://www.transmissionhub.com/art...s-changes-for-alberta-wind-power-project.html

200MW Wind Farm Southeast of Medicine Hat
https://www.edf-re.com/project/cypress-wind/

118MW Wind Farm southwest of Medicine Hat
http://www.rattlesnakeridgewind.com/

30MWh Grid battery near Irma
https://ereserve-project.com/ereserve2

30MWh Grid Battery near Grande Prairie
https://ereserve-project.com/ereserve3

 

[rsaint]

Here's some more renewable projects being built in Alberta, or projects aimed at storing electricity generated by renewable energy:

This list is not exhaustive, I know I've missed a few.

400MWh Pump Hydro Storage facility near Edson, TC is a major investor in this:
https://www.hydroreview.com/hydro-i...creek-pumped-storage-project-in-alberta/#gref

9MW Solar facility near Caroline
http://www.pacecanadalp.com/portfolios/caroline-solar-9mw/

300MW Wind Farm near Oyen
https://www.edpr.com/north-america/sharp-hills-wind-farm

6MW Solar Facility east of Hanna
http://www.pacecanadalp.com/portfolios/youngstown-solar-6mw/

13MW Solar Facility southeast of Hanna
http://www.pacecanadalp.com/portfolios/hanna-sheerness-solar-13mw/

120MW Wind Farm south of Drumheller
https://wheatlandwind.com/

26MW Solar Facility east of Strathmore
http://elementalenergy.ca/portfolio/east-strathmore-solar/

40MW Solar Facility southeast of Strathmore
https://www.prairiesunlight.com/strathmore

25MW Solar Facility in Calgary
https://www.dpenergy.com/news/dp-en...-in-canada-moves-towards-approval-in-calgary/

132MW Solar Facility near Claresholm (a portion of this is complete and already connected to the grid)
https://capstoneinfrastructure.com/our-businesses/in-development/claresholm

515MW Wind Farm near Lamond
https://lethbridgenewsnow.com/2021/01/22/500-million-wind-farm-proposed-near-lomond-input-needed/

77MW Solar Facility in Vulcan County (on the same site as Blackspring Ridge Wind Farm)
https://www.edf-re.com/project/vulcan-solar/

74MW Solar Facility north of Enchant
https://www.prairiesunlight.com/projects

60MW Wind Farm south of Magrath
https://www.oldelmwindfarm.ca/

41MW Solar facility east of Wrentham
https://www.prairiesunlight.com/wrentham

20MW Solar Facility Burdett
https://bluearthrenewables.com/projects/burdett-solar-project/

200MW Wind Farm southeast of Burdett
https://www.suncor.com/en-ca/about-us/wind-power/suncor-energy-forty-mile-wind-power-project

19MW Solar Farm County of Forty Mile
https://bluearthrenewables.com/projects/yellow-lake-solar-project/

97MW Wind Farm adjacent to the existing Whitla Wind Facility
https://www.capitalpower.com/operations/whitla-wind-2/

210MW Wind Farm Cypress County
https://www.transmissionhub.com/art...s-changes-for-alberta-wind-power-project.html

200MW Wind Farm Southeast of Medicine Hat
https://www.edf-re.com/project/cypress-wind/

118MW Wind Farm southwest of Medicine Hat
http://www.rattlesnakeridgewind.com/

30MWh Grid battery near Irma
https://ereserve-project.com/ereserve2

30MWh Grid Battery near Grande Prairie
https://ereserve-project.com/ereserve3

This is all good if 0 tax dollars were used and you still need same amount of power generation that is not dependant on wind and solar.

 

[ABMax24]

This is all good if 0 tax dollars were used and you still need same amount of power generation that is not dependant on wind and solar.

Sure, but peaking plants are needed and exist in Alberta currently anyway. For the time being Solar actually helps to reduce the load on peaking plants, Alberta's electrical demand is always highest during daylight hours, which of course is when solar plants are producing.

Eventually this will come to a head, and there will be supply surpluses during certain times of the day, an issue California is currently trying to solve. Which is why the first line on my list is the pumped hydro-storage facility, I think of all the projects it is most critical to ensuring electrical stability, this facility will use electricity to pump water up a hill to a reservoir during times of excess, and allow the water to flow back downhill and produce electricity through a turbine during times of shortage. Basically a giant battery but instead with water and mechanical components, a system that has been proven many places around the world using tech very similar to that of a hydro-electric dam.

 

[snoflake]

You missed the one outside of Innisfail. 95% of the panels were covered in snow all winter (and this was a really low snow fall year). I do not have any actual facts, but word around burn barrel is it would take close to 200 years to pay for itself. The life expectancy of the products is 5-10 years.

Perhaps, you could add "time to profit" chart on these projects. Or even a "time to cost neutral" chart. Those would be some interesting numbers to see. These are facts that should be readily avaiable, but when asked its like getting struck by lightning.

Ontario tried to go green a few years back, and i believe in 2020 the power there is skyrocketing, and still subsidized by the government (tax payers) to the tune of around $400,000,000.00/yr.

Just what i heard.

Here's some more renewable projects being built in Alberta, or projects aimed at storing electricity generated by renewable energy:

This list is not exhaustive, I know I've missed a few.

400MWh Pump Hydro Storage facility near Edson, TC is a major investor in this:
https://www.hydroreview.com/hydro-i...creek-pumped-storage-project-in-alberta/#gref

9MW Solar facility near Caroline
http://www.pacecanadalp.com/portfolios/caroline-solar-9mw/

300MW Wind Farm near Oyen
https://www.edpr.com/north-america/sharp-hills-wind-farm

6MW Solar Facility east of Hanna
http://www.pacecanadalp.com/portfolios/youngstown-solar-6mw/

13MW Solar Facility southeast of Hanna
http://www.pacecanadalp.com/portfolios/hanna-sheerness-solar-13mw/

120MW Wind Farm south of Drumheller
https://wheatlandwind.com/

26MW Solar Facility east of Strathmore
http://elementalenergy.ca/portfolio/east-strathmore-solar/

40MW Solar Facility southeast of Strathmore
https://www.prairiesunlight.com/strathmore

25MW Solar Facility in Calgary
https://www.dpenergy.com/news/dp-en...-in-canada-moves-towards-approval-in-calgary/

132MW Solar Facility near Claresholm (a portion of this is complete and already connected to the grid)
https://capstoneinfrastructure.com/our-businesses/in-development/claresholm

515MW Wind Farm near Lamond
https://lethbridgenewsnow.com/2021/01/22/500-million-wind-farm-proposed-near-lomond-input-needed/

77MW Solar Facility in Vulcan County (on the same site as Blackspring Ridge Wind Farm)
https://www.edf-re.com/project/vulcan-solar/

74MW Solar Facility north of Enchant
https://www.prairiesunlight.com/projects

60MW Wind Farm south of Magrath
https://www.oldelmwindfarm.ca/

41MW Solar facility east of Wrentham
https://www.prairiesunlight.com/wrentham

20MW Solar Facility Burdett
https://bluearthrenewables.com/projects/burdett-solar-project/

200MW Wind Farm southeast of Burdett
https://www.suncor.com/en-ca/about-us/wind-power/suncor-energy-forty-mile-wind-power-project

19MW Solar Farm County of Forty Mile
https://bluearthrenewables.com/projects/yellow-lake-solar-project/

97MW Wind Farm adjacent to the existing Whitla Wind Facility
https://www.capitalpower.com/operations/whitla-wind-2/

210MW Wind Farm Cypress County
https://www.transmissionhub.com/art...s-changes-for-alberta-wind-power-project.html

200MW Wind Farm Southeast of Medicine Hat
https://www.edf-re.com/project/cypress-wind/

118MW Wind Farm southwest of Medicine Hat
http://www.rattlesnakeridgewind.com/

30MWh Grid battery near Irma
https://ereserve-project.com/ereserve2

30MWh Grid Battery near Grande Prairie
https://ereserve-project.com/ereserve3

 

[ABMax24]

You missed the one outside of Innisfail. 95% of the panels were covered in snow all winter (and this was a really low snow fall year). I do not have any actual facts, but word around burn barrel is it would take close to 200 years to pay for itself. The life expectancy of the products is 5-10 years.

Perhaps, you could add "time to profit" chart on these projects. Or even a "time to cost neutral" chart. Those would be some interesting numbers to see. These are facts that should be readily avaiable, but when asked its like getting struck by lightning.

Ontario tried to go green a few years back, and i believe in 2020 the power there is skyrocketing, and still subsidized by the government (tax payers) to the tune of around $400,000,000.00/yr.

Just what i heard.

I'd love to see those numbers too, too bad these projects are built by private entities and those exact numbers aren't disclosed. What I can say is the solar system on my house has a simple payback period of 12 years. I expect this to change as time goes on, I think it'll be closer to 10 years as power prices continue to increase. These large projects are built cheaper than my system because of economies of scale, they also have access to different power rates through PPA's or through higher pricing on the power pool, but I don't see why these projects can't break even before 15 years.

Snow is a detriment to solar power, but so are the short days of winter, but even so the panels do melt off periodically, mine were cleared multiple times this winter on warm days. Maybe it would be worth it to clear the panels on a large installation, on my system I loose about 5% of my annual production from snow cover, not enough for me to worry about. Solar panels will still produce some power under a light covering of snow however.

I'd sure love to see where you get 5-10 year lifespans from, most manufacturers warranties are 25 years, there are panels that were installed 40 years ago and are still functioning today.


You also have to understand the difference between Alberta and Ontario's electricity market. Ontario had renewable energy forced upon it by the government, huge sums of money were thrown out by the province to build renewable energy infrastructure in the hopes that the companies building that infrastructure would do their due diligence and build it in viable locations with viable technology. Of course it was not, and the result is a less than ideal system that cost way more than it should, but this seems to be the case anytime government gets involved. Alberta on the other hand has an essentially free market for electricity, electricity is sold on the power pool by supply and demand, and the cost of electricity reflects that. If a private company decides it is economically viable to build an energy facility they can, but there won't necessarily be a guaranteed price for the electricity produced and that company has to accept that risk. Which is also what makes Alberta interesting, renewable energy projects are being built by private for profit companies because they believe the technology is cost effective and competitive with existing energy forms.

 

[gasman]

Here's some more renewable projects being built in Alberta, or projects aimed at storing electricity generated by renewable energy:

This list is not exhaustive, I know I've missed a few.

400MWh Pump Hydro Storage facility near Edson, TC is a major investor in this:
https://www.hydroreview.com/hydro-i...creek-pumped-storage-project-in-alberta/#gref

9MW Solar facility near Caroline
http://www.pacecanadalp.com/portfolios/caroline-solar-9mw/

300MW Wind Farm near Oyen
https://www.edpr.com/north-america/sharp-hills-wind-farm

6MW Solar Facility east of Hanna
http://www.pacecanadalp.com/portfolios/youngstown-solar-6mw/

13MW Solar Facility southeast of Hanna
http://www.pacecanadalp.com/portfolios/hanna-sheerness-solar-13mw/

120MW Wind Farm south of Drumheller
https://wheatlandwind.com/

26MW Solar Facility east of Strathmore
http://elementalenergy.ca/portfolio/east-strathmore-solar/

40MW Solar Facility southeast of Strathmore
https://www.prairiesunlight.com/strathmore

25MW Solar Facility in Calgary
https://www.dpenergy.com/news/dp-en...-in-canada-moves-towards-approval-in-calgary/

132MW Solar Facility near Claresholm (a portion of this is complete and already connected to the grid)
https://capstoneinfrastructure.com/our-businesses/in-development/claresholm

515MW Wind Farm near Lamond
https://lethbridgenewsnow.com/2021/01/22/500-million-wind-farm-proposed-near-lomond-input-needed/

77MW Solar Facility in Vulcan County (on the same site as Blackspring Ridge Wind Farm)
https://www.edf-re.com/project/vulcan-solar/

74MW Solar Facility north of Enchant
https://www.prairiesunlight.com/projects

60MW Wind Farm south of Magrath
https://www.oldelmwindfarm.ca/

41MW Solar facility east of Wrentham
https://www.prairiesunlight.com/wrentham

20MW Solar Facility Burdett
https://bluearthrenewables.com/projects/burdett-solar-project/

200MW Wind Farm southeast of Burdett
https://www.suncor.com/en-ca/about-us/wind-power/suncor-energy-forty-mile-wind-power-project

19MW Solar Farm County of Forty Mile
https://bluearthrenewables.com/projects/yellow-lake-solar-project/

97MW Wind Farm adjacent to the existing Whitla Wind Facility
https://www.capitalpower.com/operations/whitla-wind-2/

210MW Wind Farm Cypress County
https://www.transmissionhub.com/art...s-changes-for-alberta-wind-power-project.html

200MW Wind Farm Southeast of Medicine Hat
https://www.edf-re.com/project/cypress-wind/

118MW Wind Farm southwest of Medicine Hat
http://www.rattlesnakeridgewind.com/

30MWh Grid battery near Irma
https://ereserve-project.com/ereserve2

30MWh Grid Battery near Grande Prairie
https://ereserve-project.com/ereserve3

so this adds up to almost 2800 mw of new power output if my math is correct. a former colleague of mine is a plant manager at 16mw biofuel power plant and says there is over 2000 mw of power available right now that we don't use. even if things pick up we probably wont ever need that available power so if all these projects get built who will use it? we don't have the power lines to export it as BC and Saskatchewan already have excess and want to sell it to Alberta. there is some export to the states but they don't need 2800 mw more. what scares me is if the government agrees to pay way more for this new power, how is this better? I worked for Enbridge gas distribution a few years ago. they were building wind farms in Ontario as fast as they could because the liberal government at the time was signing contracts for 25-30cents per kwh when the pool or average price was 6 or 7. as soon as they stopped, they haven't built anything since because without being massively subsidized they would never break even let alone make money. I don't know about anyone else but I am sick and tired of being told I have to pay more for everything in the name of climate change.