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[Beels]

Alberta Freedom Party seeks to liberate province from Canada's shackles | National Observer All In Favor Say I!!

Why? So you can split all the right wing vote and end up with another 4 years of Notley and her band of useless?

 

[Puba]

So JT has unofficially put and end to pipelines out of Alberta . Taking a few pages out of obama 's book . Just study and bog it down with red tape until the costs to get approval outweigh the ability to build the project ...!
PlUS add in the fact global warming comes into the equation of wether to build a pipeline (???????) or not....
Meanwhile Quebec imports oil from the Middle East shipped in super tankers.....taking away thousands of jobs from Canadians !!
But JT says that's not his job , he just wants us to all get along... Things are great !! More selfies .... Although people may of not liked the " hair" adds , I can clearly see that the conservatives were trying to point out, how arrogant and out of touch this this little prick truly is ....!!

Rona Ambrose would look really good running the show right now....I like her messages , simple & clear and on
point! Any one in the energy buisness or affected by it , the next few years are about to be pure hell ....,

That extra 4 months just killed any hopes of a pipeline (if permitted) until 2018. Just killed what's left of any G&O industry in Alberta.

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[Snowdin]

You have to wonder if JT, Paul Martin and or any Liberal crony own or have interest in the oil tankers hauling oil to Eastern Canada. Why else would they want to buy oil from any other source than Canada?

 

[smokinD]

Why? So you can split all the right wing vote and end up with another 4 years of Notley and her band of useless?

That is not what I would want at all, I would want the Right to Unite and form one party and start from the ground up. A political party for the people governed by the people with recall legislation in place, so if there is a ftard that's gets in like now we as the people have the power to say off you must fawk. Also we as Albertans would have the power to say yes or no to what the elected officials can or can't do. Personally I sick and tired of being run by the East giving out handouts and getting nothing in return like ex;50 billion and only getting 20 in return what the fawk is wrong with this picture. It is time Alberta became its own sovereign province we have everything here we need,also look if Quebec can distinguish themselves from the rest of Canada why can't we. Mark my words that if we were to do this I will bet other provinces like BC/Sask would envy us and want to do the same. I am also sure with 30billion extra or more we can look after our own here in Alberta including our Seniors Infrastructure etc... Also next time you comment try and read the AFP,s platform and then tell me what is wrong or what needs to change as all opinions are taking into consideration. That is also why people have assembled a PAC to go around the province and talk with people no worries it is gonna take some time to put all the blocks in place. But Its Time For Alberta to say Fawk The East!!! IMO

 

[smokinD]

You have to wonder if JT, Paul Martin and or any Liberal crony own or have interest in the oil tankers hauling oil to Eastern Canada. Why else would they want to buy oil from any other source than Canada?

Funny thing is they spend 3billion to buy it and its Alberta,s money wtf!!!

 

[Summitric]

 

[teeroy]

Funny thing is they spend 3billion to buy it and its Alberta,s money wtf!!!

I was doing some reading, Canada spent 26.2 billion on oil imports in 2013.

 

[eclipse1966]

thats disgusting!!!!!

I was doing some reading, Canada spent 26.2 billion on oil imports in 2013.

 

[Summitric]

so JT is going to bail out Bombardier again, while throwing Alberta under the bus(probably a bombardier bus)..... this posted in the National Post today:


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Tasha Kheiriddin | January 27, 2016 | Last Updated: Jan 28 1:02 PM ET
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Graham Hughes / The Canadian PressTrudeau, left, shakes hands with Montreal Mayor Denis Coderre following their joint press conference in Montreal, Tuesday, January 26, 2016.

What ever happened to hope and hard work? As jobs wither on the vine in Western Canada, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau offered little of either to laid-off oilpatch workers. Meeting with Montreal Mayor Denis Coderre this week, the prime minister refused to commit to supporting the Energy East pipeline project. “For the past 10 years, we had a government that was, rather, a cheerleader for these projects rather than being a responsible arbiter to establish a clear, open, rigorous and transparent process, and that is what we are going to do,” he said.
In other words, Ottawa shouldn’t play favourites, no matter how many jobs hang in the balance. On the same day, Foreign Affairs Minister Stéphane Dion announced that Canada would be lifting its sanctions against Iran. This would allow struggling aircraft manufacturer Bombardier to export planes, including its troubled C-series offering, to the country.
“If Airbus is able to do it, why (should) Bombardier not be able to do it? In which way (is it) helping Canada, or the Iranian people, or Israel, or anyone, that Canada is hurting its own industry?” Dion asked. According to Reuters, Dion also said Iran had a poor human rights record and was not a friend of Canadian allies such as Israel. But presumably, those are not prime considerations when jobs are on the table.


Quebec-based Bombardier has long been favoured by a succession of governments with loans large and small, and now with a wholesale change in foreign policy. But the interests of Alberta-based TransCanada Corp. don’t appear to be worth lifting a finger. This is an inconsistency set to be repeated when Ottawa decides, as it must shortly do, whether to prop Bombardier up with more public money.

In the case of Energy East, ironically, it’s private money that would be pumped into the economy. Thousands of direct jobs and indirect jobs would be created — without the federal government racking up more debt. For a government that sees infrastructure as our salvation, a pipeline project should be a no-brainer.
But no. According to Trudeau, “The responsibility of the federal government is to establish a clear process whereby people can evaluate the projects in a rigorous and open manner.” Ah, process. It’s not the destination, but the journey, that counts. Especially when that journey is packed with studies, consultations and contracts to keep the Liberal party’s many friends in the policy world employed for years to come.
To be fair, the Conservatives paid too little attention to process. In the name of getting things done, they lowered environmental standards and talked tough. And then, they stopped talking altogether. The result was that they didn’t get things done — i.e., build a major pipeline such as Keystone XL, Northern Gateway or Energy East.

Last I checked, Coderre is the mayor of Montreal, not the leader of the free world
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But telling U.S. President Barack Obama that there will be a pipeline is different than telling Denis Coderre that there will be a pipeline. Last I checked, Coderre is the mayor of Montreal, not the leader of the free world. Coderre is also the same mayor who got the OK from Trudeau to dump 8-billion litres of raw sewage into the St. Lawrence. He owes the prime minister, not the other way around — and he certainly isn’t in a position to wax poetic about there being “no plan B to the planet.”
There is a happy medium here. Trudeau could have said: “We need to build this pipeline, now let’s find a way to do so. A way that satisfies environmental standards and safety concerns, but that recognizes the economic importance of this project. We are all in this together. The West is hurting and we must be there for our fellow Canadians.”
That would have been leadership. Instead, Trudeau washed his hands of industry in one part of the country while fast-tracking the interests of another. If anyone is throwing oil on the national unity fire, it’s the prime minister.
National Post

 

[Mike270412]

He keeps this **** up much longer there might be a civil war.

 

[Beels]

I was doing some reading, Canada spent 26.2 billion on oil imports in 2013.

The sad part is, we use our own oil within the country and the trade deficit disappears. When is Eastern Canada going to wake the f-up?

 

[smokinD]

so JT is going to bail out Bombardier again, while throwing Alberta under the bus(probably a bombardier bus)..... this posted in the National Post today:

Awe its okay they will only use Alberta,s money you can rest assured that.

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Graham Hughes / The Canadian PressTrudeau, left, shakes hands with Montreal Mayor Denis Coderre following their joint press conference in Montreal, Tuesday, January 26, 2016.

What ever happened to hope and hard work? As jobs wither on the vine in Western Canada, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau offered little of either to laid-off oilpatch workers. Meeting with Montreal Mayor Denis Coderre this week, the prime minister refused to commit to supporting the Energy East pipeline project. “For the past 10 years, we had a government that was, rather, a cheerleader for these projects rather than being a responsible arbiter to establish a clear, open, rigorous and transparent process, and that is what we are going to do,” he said.
In other words, Ottawa shouldn’t play favourites, no matter how many jobs hang in the balance. On the same day, Foreign Affairs Minister Stéphane Dion announced that Canada would be lifting its sanctions against Iran. This would allow struggling aircraft manufacturer Bombardier to export planes, including its troubled C-series offering, to the country.
“If Airbus is able to do it, why (should) Bombardier not be able to do it? In which way (is it) helping Canada, or the Iranian people, or Israel, or anyone, that Canada is hurting its own industry?” Dion asked. According to Reuters, Dion also said Iran had a poor human rights record and was not a friend of Canadian allies such as Israel. But presumably, those are not prime considerations when jobs are on the table.


Quebec-based Bombardier has long been favoured by a succession of governments with loans large and small, and now with a wholesale change in foreign policy. But the interests of Alberta-based TransCanada Corp. don’t appear to be worth lifting a finger. This is an inconsistency set to be repeated when Ottawa decides, as it must shortly do, whether to prop Bombardier up with more public money.

In the case of Energy East, ironically, it’s private money that would be pumped into the economy. Thousands of direct jobs and indirect jobs would be created — without the federal government racking up more debt. For a government that sees infrastructure as our salvation, a pipeline project should be a no-brainer.
But no. According to Trudeau, “The responsibility of the federal government is to establish a clear process whereby people can evaluate the projects in a rigorous and open manner.” Ah, process. It’s not the destination, but the journey, that counts. Especially when that journey is packed with studies, consultations and contracts to keep the Liberal party’s many friends in the policy world employed for years to come.
To be fair, the Conservatives paid too little attention to process. In the name of getting things done, they lowered environmental standards and talked tough. And then, they stopped talking altogether. The result was that they didn’t get things done — i.e., build a major pipeline such as Keystone XL, Northern Gateway or Energy East.

Last I checked, Coderre is the mayor of Montreal, not the leader of the free world
​

But telling U.S. President Barack Obama that there will be a pipeline is different than telling Denis Coderre that there will be a pipeline. Last I checked, Coderre is the mayor of Montreal, not the leader of the free world. Coderre is also the same mayor who got the OK from Trudeau to dump 8-billion litres of raw sewage into the St. Lawrence. He owes the prime minister, not the other way around — and he certainly isn’t in a position to wax poetic about there being “no plan B to the planet.”
There is a happy medium here. Trudeau could have said: “We need to build this pipeline, now let’s find a way to do so. A way that satisfies environmental standards and safety concerns, but that recognizes the economic importance of this project. We are all in this together. The West is hurting and we must be there for our fellow Canadians.”
That would have been leadership. Instead, Trudeau washed his hands of industry in one part of the country while fast-tracking the interests of another. If anyone is throwing oil on the national unity fire, it’s the prime minister.
National Post

Awe it,s okay they will use only Alberta,s money you can rest assured that will happen

 

[everest8]

Looked at the train journal today and I shipped a container of beer out to the boys/girls in Edmonton ! Also some furniture/food/and what did you plan to do with the container of fire extinguishers ? LOL enjoy the Day.

 

[Symbiotic]

Funny thing is they spend 3billion to buy it and its Alberta,s money wtf!!!

Foreign ownership! The Japanese, Chinese, Dutch, American majority ownership of our resources make it all flow south and overseas to better markets/refineries etc...
Then us "Bleeding Hearted Canadians" buy it all back at an inflated price and grab our ankles at the pumps, big box stores, lumber mills etc...
Time for us to take a stand and look out for ourselves for once, stop selling majority ownership of our resources next door and overseas. Not sure what its going to take to keep what is ours, ours, and capitalize on what we have.
Where is Ralph Klein's predecessor?? LOL

 

[Rbrduk]

Looked at the train journal today and I shipped a container of beer out to the boys/girls in Edmonton ! Also some furniture/food/and what did you plan to do with the container of fire extinguishers ? LOL enjoy the Day.

The fire extinguishers are for when the revaluation starts and we burn down the ledg.

 

[smokinD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_4UfPfTmb0

Interesting facts enjoy!!

 

[Cdnfireman]

Foreign ownership! The Japanese, Chinese, Dutch, American majority ownership of our resources make it all flow south and overseas to better markets/refineries etc...
Then us "Bleeding Hearted Canadians" buy it all back at an inflated price and grab our ankles at the pumps, big box stores, lumber mills etc...
Time for us to take a stand and look out for ourselves for once, stop selling majority ownership of our resources next door and overseas. Not sure what its going to take to keep what is ours, ours, and capitalize on what we have.
Where is Ralph Klein's predecessor?? LOL

Your ideas sound nice and patriotic and all, but the simple fact is that there is not enough capital in Canada to develop our natural resources, and even if there was, our population isn't large enough to create a market to consume all of our refined and processed goods. Therefore we have to encourage outside investment and must export our goods for sale, and for the most part, it's way more cost effective and economical to ship the raw materials to outside markets. Regardless of how we feel about all of this, the financial markets are where the decisions are made as to whether money comes to western Canada to develop and purchase our commodities, not government offices.
When a government like the NDP enacts policies that raise taxes ( corporate, income and carbon) and create uncertainty ( royalty review) decision makers in boardrooms all over the world see a more expensive and less business friendly place to invest. They then compare us to other jurisdictions that offer the same commodities and have policies that allow for a greater rate of return, and then they move their capital and resources there. They have no emotional attachment to us. They're here to make money. They won't totally cut and run, but they'll cease new investment and cut their expenses here to the bone and wait for things to change. That's why there's daily announcements of layoffs and cuts to budgets.

And we we shouldn't be surprised when people in Quebec and Ontario make decisions to undermine western Canadian prosperity. The establishment in central Canada resents the shift of economic power from east to west. The maritimes have been kept at third world economic conditions ever since confederation, and it's only been since the 70's that Alberta has started to gain power. The Canadian wheat board was created to restrict western agricultural prosperity and to control western farm incomes. Trudeau senior enacted the NEP in the early 80's to squash the growing economic power of the western oil based economy. Now that Trudeau junior is running the show, the only projects in western Canada that will be allowed to progress are the ones that generate the most benefit for central Canada while at the same time keep western Canada under their control. That's why they announced yesterday that all pipelines projects will be subject to reviews of climate change impact and aboriginal approval.
If the central Canada progressives or the Indians don't like it, it ain't gonna happen.
And rachel notley and her gang of anti oil leftists will gladly assist in the dismantling of the oil sands in favour of government subsidized economically disastrous green energy programs, copied from Ontario's model.
Trudeau and notley are meeting in Alberta tomorrow to announce a plan to help Alberta's economy. Watch where they plan to invest infrastructure money. It won't be the oil industry!!

 

[eclipse1966]

I agree to your argument to a certain degree but the bottom line Canada f*&^ed up handling our resources and development. If Norway can stash almost a trillion dollars in a fund with a mere 5 million people why can't we as a country. Pretty sad and inexcusable IMO.

Your ideas sound nice and patriotic and all, but the simple fact is that there is not enough capital in Canada to develop our natural resources, and even if there was, our population isn't large enough to create a market to consume all of our refined and processed goods. Therefore we have to encourage outside investment and must export our goods for sale, and for the most part, it's way more cost effective and economical to ship the raw materials to outside markets. Regardless of how we feel about all of this, the financial markets are where the decisions are made as to whether money comes to western Canada to develop and purchase our commodities, not government offices.
When a government like the NDP enacts policies that raise taxes ( corporate, income and carbon) and create uncertainty ( royalty review) decision makers in boardrooms all over the world see a more expensive and less business friendly place to invest. They then compare us to other jurisdictions that offer the same commodities and have policies that allow for a greater rate of return, and then they move their capital and resources there. They have no emotional attachment to us. They're here to make money. They won't totally cut and run, but they'll cease new investment and cut their expenses here to the bone and wait for things to change. That's why there's daily announcements of layoffs and cuts to budgets.

And we we shouldn't be surprised when people in Quebec and Ontario make decisions to undermine western Canadian prosperity. The establishment in central Canada resents the shift of economic power from east to west. The maritimes have been kept at third world economic conditions ever since confederation, and it's only been since the 70's that Alberta has started to gain power. The Canadian wheat board was created to restrict western agricultural prosperity and to control western farm incomes. Trudeau senior enacted the NEP in the early 80's to squash the growing economic power of the western oil based economy. Now that Trudeau junior is running the show, the only projects in western Canada that will be allowed to progress are the ones that generate the most benefit for central Canada while at the same time keep western Canada under their control. That's why they announced yesterday that all pipelines projects will be subject to reviews of climate change impact and aboriginal approval.
If the central Canada progressives or the Indians don't like it, it ain't gonna happen.
And rachel notley and her gang of anti oil leftists will gladly assist in the dismantling of the oil sands in favour of government subsidized economically disastrous green energy programs, copied from Ontario's model.
Trudeau and notley are meeting in Alberta tomorrow to announce a plan to help Alberta's economy. Watch where they plan to invest infrastructure money. It won't be the oil industry!!

 

[X-it]

Save our Birds!!!! Knothead and fluff are going to bring in smart new technologies that will kill our birds. In forest fire season the wind will blow hot smoke up your..

 

[DRD]

I agree to your argument to a certain degree but the bottom line Canada f*&^ed up handling our resources and development. If Norway can stash almost a trillion dollars in a fund with a mere 5 million people why can't we as a country. Pretty sad and inexcusable IMO.

Wonder if Norway had to transfer vast sums of its wealth to other regions ??


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