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[pano-dude]

I don't think I said anything about folks from other countries anywhere.....and a GSA might very well create a place that like minded students could meet where they feel comfortable. I really don’t care if a school sets up a GSA, and I really don’t care what someone’s sexual orientation is. What I have a problem with is the government mandating secrecy by not informing parents about what their children are doing in school. The government has no business mandating morals.
As for the predator thing, if you ever get the chance to hear Sheldon Kennedy speak about how he and others were systematically abused by their hockey coach, do so.
History is full of instances where people in authority have abused children. I have no doubt that most people involved in this have good intentions. However, in my opinion, deliberately creating a situation where secrecy is mandated into an arrangement like this is dangerous. All it takes is one predator. Just ask Sheldon Kennedy.

There are way more checks and policies in place now than when Sheldon was playing hockey.
This law is something the gsa community wants, if you are not involved why does it bother you so much?
Are you schooled in this subject? If not as by your first statement you should stay out if it. You blast Rick Mercer for stating his opinion but yet you feel you are entitled to do the same....

 

[Cdnfireman]

There are way more checks and policies in place now than when Sheldon was playing hockey.
This law is something the gsa community wants, if you are not involved why does it bother you so much?
Are you schooled in this subject? If not as by your first statement you should stay out if it. You blast Rick Mercer for stating his opinion but yet you feel you are entitled to do the same....

Im typing this really slowly in the hope you read it slowly so you can understand my point. I’ve said repeatedly that I don’t care about GSA’s, sexual orientation eTc. It’s about government overreach and it’s promotion of secrecy in the education system. I blasted Rick Mercer because he was using his unelected government provided media position to deride Jason Kenney, a person who was and will be again an elected representative of the people and is currently the duly elected leader of a political party. If you believe that laws removing parental oversight from their children’s education and activities while at school are a good idea, that’s your right. It’s also my right to not to think it’s a good idea. I’ve yet to hear a good argument from anyone why removing parents knowledge of their children’s activities at school is a good idea.

 

[whoDEANie]

There are way more checks and policies in place now than when Sheldon was playing hockey.
This law is something the gsa community wants, if you are not involved why does it bother you so much?
Are you schooled in this subject? If not as by your first statement you should stay out if it. You blast Rick Mercer for stating his opinion but yet you feel you are entitled to do the same....

This is not a gay straight issue!!! I guarantee that the NDP has purposely proposed the legislation with the intent to label those opposed as homophones. In fact, I would dare to say that the one an only purpose of this bill is to enable the NDP to pit the LGBQ community against their opposition. For a moment, forget that this has anything to do with LGBQ (which arguably, it doesn't). The government has no right interfering in the family unit to the degree that they propose.

How many bogus reasons do you think the government can invent to keep information from parents or even have more power over a child's upbringing than the parents do? What about the kid who gets caught shoplifting? Will we see a law in the near future that would prevent the authorities from telling the child's parents? Of course not. I do not know a single person who would beat their kid for coming out of the closet, but I do know several that might possibly boarder on the line of criminal abuse after hearing that their child was caught stealing. Now what about when something was done to your child at school? Will a law also come into play that would prevent institutions (schools, authorities, health system, even church) from informing a parent that their child was sexually abused for fear that the parent might retaliate? Somehow, I doubt that either. So why is is suddenly OK when we talk about LGBQ? I'm quite certain more kids have been beaten or kicked out for simply skipping school than there were for being LBGQ.

There are already systems in place for young members of the LBGQ community who are scared of their parents. Law enforcement and social services. In no way is it acceptable to take such a significant right away from a parent in order to protect the small minority of a small minority that may encounter an issue with a hostile parent.

 

[polarice]

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[thegeneral]

The only thing this allows the school to "hide" is the fact that a student is participating in a GSA meeting. There are no secret education policies being snuck in the back door here. There isn't going to be people indoctrinating kids into homosexuality.
The problem with your opinion in this case is that you make it abundantly clear that you have no compassion, knowledge or even the simplest understanding of the struggles of LBGTQ youth and how this legislation WILL save lives.

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. However unlike assholes, opinions should be probed, reviewed and reconsidered often.

 

[Cdnfireman]

The only thing this allows the school to "hide" is the fact that a student is participating in a GSA meeting. There are no secret education policies being snuck in the back door here. There isn't going to be people indoctrinating kids into homosexuality.
The problem with your opinion in this case is that you make it abundantly clear that you have no compassion, knowledge or even the simplest understanding of the struggles of LBGTQ youth and how this legislation WILL save lives.

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. However unlike assholes, opinions should be probed, reviewed and reconsidered often.

Again you demonstrate your inability to understand that my issue isn’t with the existence of the GSA’s. I don’t know how I can restate itso that you will understand. True to form when you can’t refute my argument you start name calling. I’m done interacting with you on the subject.

 

[thegeneral]

Let me dumb it down for you. What you are saying now is in stark contrast with your original post

 

[eclipse1966]

Are you sure they are going to get their a$$ booted out??? My daughter is in Mount Royal University and she said she feels like a black sheep as most feel 100% comfortable with the NDP in AB. They actually have "meetings" to keep the movement going in favour of the NDP. Welcome to the new entitled world!!!!

PS one of her friends won't talk to her because my daughter crapped on her pro NDP comments.

Where do I start?
Created an unstable investment climate in Alberta driving out investors and jobs
The carbon tax that raises the price of everything not just fuel
increased taxes
massive increases to the debt that will result in higher taxes and service cuts in the future
phasing out coal power generation that will cause huge utility price increases
all the social justice crap

long story short, in the history of Canadian politics, there has never been an instance where an NDP government hasn’t left the province it ruled in a financial mess. They incredibly can’t understand that socialism is a failed economic model. It has failed miserably in every country where it was tried, and will continue to fail in the future.
The NDP are believers in the theory of wealth redistribution, tax the rich and the business community and give the money to those unwilling or unable to contribute to society. Tax and spend.
The NDP are on their way to destroying this province. The good news is they’re gonna be out on their ass in 2019. The bad news is all of us are going to bear the cost of fixing the destruction they caused.

 

[pano-dude]

Im typing this really slowly in the hope you read it slowly so you can understand my point. I’ve said repeatedly that I don’t care about GSA’s, sexual orientation eTc. It’s about government overreach and it’s promotion of secrecy in the education system. I blasted Rick Mercer because he was using his unelected government provided media position to deride Jason Kenney, a person who was and will be again an elected representative of the people and is currently the duly elected leader of a political party. If you believe that laws removing parental oversight from their children’s education and activities while at school are a good idea, that’s your right. It’s also my right to not to think it’s a good idea. I’ve yet to hear a good argument from anyone why removing parents knowledge of their children’s activities at school is a good idea.

Ah here we go again, post about name calling and then reply with a condescending post to beat down someone who disagrees.

 

[whoDEANie]

The only thing this allows the school to "hide" is the fact that a student is participating in a GSA meeting. There are no secret education policies being snuck in the back door here. There isn't going to be people indoctrinating kids into homosexuality.
The problem with your opinion in this case is that you make it abundantly clear that you have no compassion, knowledge or even the simplest understanding of the struggles of LBGTQ youth and how this legislation WILL save lives.

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. However unlike assholes, opinions should be probed, reviewed and reconsidered often.

This legislation will save lives? Really? How many? You realize that most children that are criminally beaten or beaten to death by their parents are not LGBQ?

What the NDP is doing here is deplorable. It was a very well thought out plan to make opposers appear homophobic when opposers really just want to be fully informed of pertinent information concerning their child. They are pitting the LGBQ community against concerned parents who would otherwise have no issue (many still don't) with the LGBQ community. All for what? ...a few votes.

 

[Cdnfireman]

Are you sure they are going to get their a$$ booted out??? My daughter is in Mount Royal University and she said she feels like a black sheep as most feel 100% comfortable with the NDP in AB. They actually have "meetings" to keep the movement going in favour of the NDP. Welcome to the new entitled world!!!!

PS one of her friends won't talk to her because my daughter crapped on her pro NDP comments.

If you look at the last elections results the only reason the NDP got in was because the conservative vote was split. If you add the wild rose and conservative numbers together the margin was large.
Universities are now a hotbed of progressive liberal thinking, so much so that they are now censoring any conservative viewpoints and actually prohibiting conservative speakers from appearing on campus. I feel sorry for your daughter. Fortunately the real world still operates on logic and sound economic and operating principles. All the snowflakes that she goes to school with will get a rude awakening their first day of work after they graduate.

 

[thegeneral]

This legislation will save lives? Really? How many? You realize that most children that are criminally beaten or beaten to death by their parents are not LGBQ?

What the NDP is doing here is deplorable. It was a very well thought out plan to make opposers appear homophobic when opposers really just want to be fully informed of pertinent information concerning their child. They are pitting the LGBQ community against concerned parents who would otherwise have no issue (many still don't) with the LGBQ community. All for what? ...a few votes.

you got me. I can’t say how many lives it will save but if it saves one, isn’t that enough?
I’m sure there are many kids beaten by their parents, who are not lBGTQ. However this topic is about the LGBTQ ones. How about I go google the number of kids in Alberta that killed themselves last year because they were frustrated, felt alone and were bullied because of their “gender identity” and you go google how many kids in Alberta were beaten to death by their parents for other reasons. Then post your number here.

 

[Cdnfireman]

Ah here we go again, post about name calling and then reply with a condescending post to beat down someone who disagrees.

How else does one get the point across? I’m trying to get the point across that the GSA is not the issue, it’s the government interference in family dynamics and morals.
Therein lies the problem in dealing with the pro homosexual community. Any questioning or disagreement on any issue regardless of how small, results in an immediate and rabid attack of name calling and insinuation of homophobia. It’s this attitude that people find troublesome.

 

[catalac]

Look at how many pages of bs over an issue that may have impact on less than 1.5% of the population, this exactly what's worng with social license and social politics. Keystone XL news not even a topic one that effects damn near every Albertian. I hope Kenney doesn't get sucked in to this crap when he's premier.

 

[polarice]

if you listen to any of jason's speeches he is more than in tune with the needs of this province and the people

Look at how many pages of bs over an issue that may have impact on less than 1.5% of the population, this exactly what's worng with social license and social politics. Keystone XL news not even a topic one that effects damn near every Albertian. I hope Kenney doesn't get sucked in to this crap when he's premier.

 

[pano-dude]

This is not a gay straight issue!!! I guarantee that the NDP has purposely proposed the legislation with the intent to label those opposed as homophones. In fact, I would dare to say that the one an only purpose of this bill is to enable the NDP to pit the LGBQ community against their opposition. For a moment, forget that this has anything to do with LGBQ (which arguably, it doesn't). The government has no right interfering in the family unit to the degree that they propose.

How many bogus reasons do you think the government can invent to keep information from parents or even have more power over a child's upbringing than the parents do? What about the kid who gets caught shoplifting? Will we see a law in the near future that would prevent the authorities from telling the child's parents? Of course not. I do not know a single person who would beat their kid for coming out of the closet, but I do know several that might possibly boarder on the line of criminal abuse after hearing that their child was caught stealing. Now what about when something was done to your child at school? Will a law also come into play that would prevent institutions (schools, authorities, health system, even church) from informing a parent that their child was sexually abused for fear that the parent might retaliate? Somehow, I doubt that either. So why is is suddenly OK when we talk about LGBQ? I'm quite certain more kids have been beaten or kicked out for simply skipping school than there were for being LBGQ.

There are already systems in place for young members of the LBGQ community who are scared of their parents. Law enforcement and social services. In no way is it acceptable to take such a significant right away from a parent in order to protect the small minority of a small minority that may encounter an issue with a hostile parent.

So are you involved with a gsa group? Are you involved with the education system or the inner circle of the ndp government? If not how then do you garuntee such a statement?
You are making up stories to support your opinion.

 

[snopro]

Look at how many pages of bs over an issue that may have impact on less than 1.5% of the population, this exactly what's worng with social license and social politics. Keystone XL news not even a topic one that effects damn near every Albertian. I hope Kenney doesn't get sucked in to this crap when he's premier.

This is exactly the NDP plan. They can't debate Kenney on the real issues that affect the majority of Albertans like jobs and the oil patch so they swing the narrative over to social issues like this that affect so few to try and draw out a poor response and play out Kenney as a monster. Who gives a crap. It's time the sitting government got down to business and deal with the real issues and get this province back on the mend if they want to get reelected. Fat chance in that happening and I couldn't be happier.

 

[whoDEANie]

So are you involved with a gsa group? Are you involved with the education system or the inner circle of the ndp government? If not how then do you garuntee such a statement?
You are making up stories to support your opinion.

Forgive me if I don't fully understand what you're getting at, but what story is it that you think I'm making up? You don't agree that the NDP is putting LGBQ issues at the forefront as a tactic to tarnish their opposition? I will concede that this is technically only speculative since the NDP would never admit to that, but how can we ever definitively prove it given the fact that they've all cleansed their e-mail and possibly any other record pertaining to their strategies? This is not simply grasping at straws and making up stories; it is relatively obvious and the consensus between most of the political community, some of which are NDP themselves. I even recall a member of the NDP admitting this, but I can no longer seem to find the article.

Consider this: The NDP very recently developed policy regarding gay straight alliances in schools, so why are they now suddenly revisiting it?

 

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[ABMax24]

Does anyone realize that Alberta has run deficits for the last 8 of 9 years?
And the NDP have only been in power for 2.5years?
And the party leader that claims to be able to fix the deficit comes from the same party that started us down this path of deficits?