Calfrac - do they do drug testing?

[JaySimon]

Maybe a company could get a group rate on this?

I doubt we will see them any time soon, but who knows...

 

[Mike270412]

Alright, here's how I see it. Two dudes work on the same crew. Dude A smokes a fatty after work every day and is otherwise a model employee. Dude B likes coke. Lots. Every day.

Word gets out that a test is in the near future. If dude B can hold out for 3 days, he will piss clean. Dude A has no chance to piss clean as the THC takes a month to leave the system. Dude A loses his job, as he had a dirty test. Dude B pases test, goes back to snorting lines all day.

It's a wierd situation, as Dude A is more likely the safer work partner, given that he prefers to induldge after work, whereas Dude B thinks it's snowing all the time.

It's a bit of a stretch, I'll admit, as a habitual cocaine user will be really easy to spot, and I imagine the company would be targeting him, but the pot smoker may get caught up in it all, even though he is more likely to be a safer employee.

I guess the easiest way around it is to not partake, but I personally don't like something relatively harmless be lumped in with something so heavy. Cocaine/crack are pretty damned efficient at destroying lives, whereas marijuana is much less effective at destroying lives.

Just one man's opinion.

Ya,what he said...

 

[goodngrubby]

Does that include the guy that is hung over from the night before?

Yep, that includes him too.

 

[Mike270412]

Yep, that includes him too.

Heard about a few guys blowing over in the am cause they got pulled over for something else and the ocifer smelled booze.

 

[goodngrubby]

Heard about a few guys blowing over in the am cause they got pulled over for something else and the ocifer smelled booze.

It happened to a buddy of mine. He passed out in his truck behind the bar, and when he woke up and pulled away in the morning, the RC's nailed him with an over .08.

 

[Mike270412]

The thing that really frosts me is I have to pass a drug test to work and pay taxes.How come those welfare deadbeats don't have to pass a test to collect my tax money?????
!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JaySimon]

The thing that really frosts me is I have to pass a drug test to work and pay taxes.How come those welfare deadbeats don't have to pass a test to collect my tax money?????
!!!!!!!!!!!

Now THERE'S a can of worms.

That being said, I agree. Welfare = drug tests. Frequently.

 

[Bogger]

The thing that really frosts me is I have to pass a drug test to work and pay taxes.How come those welfare deadbeats don't have to pass a test to collect my tax money?????
!!!!!!!!!!!

i'm gonna go on welfare and begin a drug habit just to pizz you off......

 

[GYMBRAT]

I'm going to be getting trained by them as a truck driver, I'm just wondering if they do drug testing, and if so how often and is it random etc. I take xanax once in a while for anxiety, job interviews and job training etc. This is in Alberta.

they do it all bud and the randoms are jst that...randoms without notice, dont worry bout anything other than rec drugs bro...just tell them up front

 

[teeroy]

When I was hauling logs into Millar Western in Whitecourt, they were talking about bringing in random testing. I was really wishing they would, there would be no more wait times at the loader or the mill yard, as most of the drivers would have been run off. I don't care for sharing the road, or any work space, with somebody who isn't all there.

and you can guess who would fill those seats, right? it isn't going to be anybody that knows their way around a truck, let alone around a hectic mill/loader yard environment. it has already happened in the oil patch, with the big companies like Mullen etc....it isn't near the tight knit group it used to be moving rigs anymore. men are numbers, and that's it.

 

[Mike270412]

i'm gonna go on welfare and begin a drug habit just to pizz you off......

You would...

 

[Mike270412]

and you can guess who would fill those seats, right? it isn't going to be anybody that knows their way around a truck, let alone around a hectic mill/loader yard environment. it has already happened in the oil patch, with the big companies like Mullen etc....it isn't near the tight knit group it used to be moving rigs anymore. men are numbers, and that's it.

Oh no T.Mullen really cares about their people!!!

 

[BombardierBratz]

Meanwhile back at the ranch.....

Are you sure you want to work for Calfrac or the industry at all if you have an anxiety issue? I'm currently sitting on lease and it aint no bed of roses. I havn't been home in two weeks, the weather sucks, the company man is grumpy. That being said, I'm bringing home the bacon and I love the work.... will you?

 

[OVERKILL 19]

I would say back to the OP... get your doctor to prescribe, or get a 2nd opinon! The drug test thing is NOT going away, if anything it will get tighter! IMO

The thread has got huge quick and interesting......how do U guys feel about abortion? LOL

 

[BombardierBratz]

Didn't remember feeling a thing....Just climbed out of the bucket & continued on.....



Chuck Norris





That was bad, I know, but bad humor on a bad topic is still humor?

 

[GYMBRAT]

either way, if its a bigger company like the Calfracs, Halibortions, Trashcans, BJs, Scumbergers and the Mullens...you'll always be treated like a number (aka: ch!t) haha

 

[Puba]

This is where I see the unfairness of it all.....

That said PLEASE do not take my posts to mean I am against testing. I actually do not understand why it has taken so long and why so many "loopholes" are needed for a company to test.

This thread started as a "do they do random drug testing... Apparently I was wrong and they, obviously some things must have changed because back when Imperial oil wanted random testing, even having an employee sign off agreeing to it still did not make it legal.

I agree with everyones right to a safe and drug free workplace and in the end the rights of a weekend toker are far outwieghed by the rights of everyone else... it's just unfortunate is all. My understanding is by the use of a swab THC testing is becomming more accurate and is able to determine impairment as opposed to lingering traces in the body...

Watched this thread for a while to see how everyone responds is interesting, and to also see how different sectors of the Oil Patch implement D&A testing is very entertaining.

Random testing is Illegal in Canada but that does not mean it does not happen, companies write it into their programs which they feel then gives them the ability to implement if the person signs the release and agree's to participate.... Still does not make it legal if it were challenged in court it may or may not pass the test. The majority of the big companies do not bother with the random testing, they use the post incident and reasonable suspicion as their random testing to avoid the legalities. Same applies for Pre-employment testing which as Bogger pointed out is a violation of human rights so whats taken place is most major companies and clients have banded together and now call it site access testing as a site requirement which is not a violation. Those that participate in random and or pre-employment testing are potentially setting them selves up should or if they ever get challenged in court or by the human rights commission they stand a very strong chance of loosing the battle.

Now trucking that there is a whole different story as some companies are DOT testing and some are Non-DOT testing. DOT testing is legal in the states and came about mainly through the transport industry which supports random testing.

So, random testing is it done? yes, is it legal in Canada no.

If you ever fail a random test there are 3 great law firms in Edmonton if you ever want to challenge it and cash in.........

 

[Modman]

Watched this thread for a while to see how everyone responds is interesting, and to also see how different sectors of the Oil Patch implement D&A testing is very entertaining.

Random testing is Illegal in Canada but that does not mean it does not happen, companies write it into their programs which they feel then gives them the ability to implement if the person signs the release and agree's to participate.... Still does not make it legal if it were challenged in court it may or may not pass the test. The majority of the big companies do not bother with the random testing, they use the post incident and reasonable suspicion as their random testing to avoid the legalities. Same applies for Pre-employment testing which as Bogger pointed out is a violation of human rights so whats taken place is most major companies and clients have banded together and now call it site access testing as a site requirement which is not a violation. Those that participate in random and or pre-employment testing are potentially setting them selves up should or if they ever get challenged in court or by the human rights commission they stand a very strong chance of loosing the battle.

Now trucking that there is a whole different story as some companies are DOT testing and some are Non-DOT testing. DOT testing is legal in the states and came about mainly through the transport industry which supports random testing.

So, random testing is it done? yes, is it legal in Canada no.

If you ever fail a random test there are 3 great law firms in Edmonton if you ever want to challenge it and cash in.........

Thanks Dale - lots of good information in there. Couple questions - Even though someone may challenge the companies right to test, the fact remains they still failed. Obviously they can challenge it but wouldn't the court case focus on the company's violation of human rights and not on the failed drug test? Even though the employee may recieve compensation for human rights infringement, do the drug test results still stand? The company now has the reasonable suspicion don't they? and so they're probably going to be tested again and fail soon enough, at which point the company terminates them anyway.

Also, can reasonable suspicion come from another employee? and would that employee not be protected if a case went to court if the drug user claimed the company did not have reasonable suspicion (i.e. the company made it up after he/she failed the drug test?) so they could find out who the "rat" was?

TIA

 

[teeroy]

I think the wise decicion would be to refuse the test, and fight based on principle after they fire your azz for non-compliance.

to fail the test, then fight like a wolverine would seem to be an action to try and legalize being high at work. bad thing.

 

[Puba]

Thanks Dale - lots of good information in there. Couple questions - Even though someone may challenge the companies right to test, the fact remains they still failed. Obviously they can challenge it but wouldn't the court case focus on the company's violation of human rights and not on the failed drug test? Even though the employee may recieve compensation for human rights infringement, do the drug test results still stand? The company now has the reasonable suspicion don't they? and so they're probably going to be tested again and fail soon enough, at which point the company terminates them anyway.

Also, can reasonable suspicion come from another employee? and would that employee not be protected if a case went to court if the drug user claimed the company did not have reasonable suspicion (i.e. the company made it up after he/she failed the drug test?) so they could find out who the "rat" was?

TIA

You pay attention don't you, very intuitive of you. When it comes to testing you cant use the words fail or pass you are either compliant or non-compliant unless of course you are the medical review officer that has the medical degree and training to make that decision. So if you are non-compliant on a pre-employment test or random that is deemed a violation of your human rights NO the results have been obtained illegally and you will be compensated and re-employed (of course the company is going to find a way to get ride of you) until you screw up again as reasonable suspicion has not been established until the next time and they better be sure it is legit.

As for the next question of an employee or other third party providing cause for reasonable suspicion? It must be a creditable source so if it's an employee that was at the bar watching you snort cocaine or smoking pot that is a creditable source, if your name appears in the new's paper as being involved in a drug bust same applies. The key is credible source and no the source is not immune from being identified and can be called in front of the judge to testify in the case, so onus is on the employer to establish credible source...... Or they will be raked over the coals in court.

I think the wise decicion would be to refuse the test, and fight based on principle after they fire your azz for non-compliance.

to fail the test, then fight like a wolverine would seem to be an action to try and legalize being high at work. bad thing.

No! this is not a wise decision, principal will not win in court nor will it win with the human rights commission, in every case take the test even if you know you are going to be non-compliant, every company will weigh this as a balls up move and will be willing to aggressive intervention utilizing a drug addictions councillors assessment of the situation / use for the purpose of rehabilitation and condition of re-employment.

Street drugs and prescription narcotics are the prime targets for all testing protocols and the abuse there of and yes T3 fall in that same class.