Bill 6

[800HMX]

I don't have the answers but there are many issues at the farm related to OH&S.

Prime Contractor, employer, employee and Worksite to name a few. These responsibilities get blurred on some farms.

Then you look at risks like confined space, lockout-tagout, WHMIS and secure storage of chemicals, driving, operation of equipment, training and new and young workers. There is a reason why these risks are highly regulated in every workplace except the farm.

 

[pipes]

I grew up on a family farm and have seen and heard some crazy **** happen. I now work in the oil industry( one of the most safety regulated industries) and guess what? I still see some crazy **** happen. I've seen safety evolve from a culture to an industry all it's own. No matter how hard you try you cannot legislate an incident from happening. Even with OH&S and WCB industry still have incidents. Education is the answer not legislation. I don't work safely because the company I work for says I have to,(although they may think so) I work safely because I don't want to get hurt or hurt someone else. People have to take responsibility for their own actions.

Yes three girls died in a farm related accident. Yes it made the news. Was it tragic? Absolutely, but how many other people have died in other industries that have not made the news, why are these not news worthy? Government, just like lobby groups use the media to influence people to react to their way of thinking. These tragic events should not be a case for more legislation but rather should be used as a lesson that others can gain from.

Just my two cents, for what it's worth.

 

[snopro]

The media has ready been trained on this Bill. They are reporting that farmers aren't interested in safety and don't want to pay minimum wage. Fawk! I would love to pay minimum wage for workers instead of what I pay them now to find someone to work. And safety is a huge concern on my farm as it is on most everyone's. It's about unions and controls plain and simple.

 

[rzrgade]

I don't have the answers but there are many issues at the farm related to OH&S.

Prime Contractor, employer, employee and Worksite to name a few. These responsibilities get blurred on some farms.

Then you look at risks like confined space, lockout-tagout, WHMIS and secure storage of chemicals, driving, operation of equipment, training and new and young workers. There is a reason why these risks are highly regulated in every workplace except the farm.

Just by the way you view this I can tel you have no clue what a family farm is , none whatsoever.the family farm is not suncor !!!

 

[Cat401]

 

[buckie]

Signed.

X2

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[800HMX]

Just by the way you view this I can tel you have no clue what a family farm is , none whatsoever.the family farm is not suncor !!!

Not so much. I grew up in small town Alberta and worked on farms for many many years. You are right they are not Suncor.


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[skegpro]

Solely because it costs more for the farmers to do the work to OH&S standards. It's going to make it more difficult for small farms to follow the rules, or they can choose to not follow the rules and risk substantial fines or jail time in the event a worker does get injured on the job.

Grain bins are hazardous, and there have been multiple people asphyxiated inside of them due to lack of Oxygen over the years. Although relative to a million dollar a year farming operation a $1000 gas monitor and $2000 SCBA shouldn't break the bank.

Have you ever been in a grain bin before?

How many o2/deficient atmospheres have you seen in them?

A gas monitor is going to tell you that you are what? Now submerged under the grain?

And a SCBA is gonna do what for you as your buried in a solid? The grain would push the mask off for sure.

Or you could just use some common sense.

But if that fails and your gonna create legislation at least consult the people that work in these bins day in and day out to find out what the hazards are rather than just assuming you know.

And do you do know what the net profit is on $1m dollar farm?

No?

Then don't assume $1000 won't have an impact.

By the way what company are you the safety guy at?

 

[007sevens]

Not so much. I grew up in small town Alberta and worked on farms for many many years. You are right they are not Suncor.


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Grew up in a small town? Worked on Farms?

You haven't earned the right if you haven't sat at a table that your dad sat at with papers spread across trying to figure out his bottom dollar.

Remember this folks. We are the ONLY industry that doesn't regulate its own commodity pricing. Always being told this is the way it will be an this is the price you can have......if you decide to sell.

 

[deaner]

What bugs me the most about this is the liberal mentality that is spreading everywhere that it is ok to tell other people how they should live their lives. What happened to just taking responsibility for your own actions. Apparently we have become so stupid that we need the government to take care of us. We need unionisation and multiple layers of wasteful bureaucracy to protect us. I feel like every day we get one step closer to communism.

 

[rightsideup]

What bugs me the most about this is the liberal mentality that is spreading everywhere that it is ok to tell other people how they should live their lives. What happened to just taking responsibility for your own actions. Apparently we have become so stupid that we need the government to take care of us. We need unionisation and multiple layers of wasteful bureaucracy to protect us. I feel like every day we get one step closer to communism.

The man is taking a entire country in his hands and has a superpower to the south than can dictate the price of every commodity that Canada has. I hope he is strong enough for the challenge??.

 

[deaner]

The man is taking a entire country in his hands and has a superpower to the south than can dictate the price of every commodity that Canada has. I hope he is strong enough for the challenge??.

I dont understand?

 

[Cat401]

I just heard Lori Sigurdson on the radio and she tries to answer questions....she generalizes everything but when asked about details, she has no idea....they have no idea...they have not consulted with farmers.....no one in the government is from a farming background

THAT IS THE F'N PROBLEM HERE.....

This government is forcing through legislation and will work out the details later.....they have no intent to back off and discuss this but are intent in forcing this through now.

They state that they will figure out the fine details later through consultation. Is that how life changing laws should be passed? Force them through now and then figure out what we are doing later......WTF???

 

[Bogger]

Grew up in a small town? Worked on Farms?

You haven't earned the right if you haven't sat at a table that your dad sat at with papers spread across trying to figure out his bottom dollar.

Remember this folks. We are the ONLY industry that doesn't regulate its own commodity pricing. Always being told this is the way it will be an this is the price you can have......if you decide to sell.

Not to be an azz but you just described every small business owners struggles. Supply and demand ultimately dictates commodity pricing, and I get that farmers may be more subject to the influence of weather and climate but there is also government assistance available to the agriculture industry which other industries do not enjoy. I don't claim to know a lick about farming but I do know that lots of you guys do nothing to dispel the Woh-is me stereotype that farmers have in the non-farming community. I can't make a go of it because there is not enough rain, there is too much rain, we didn't get enough snow, the snow melted too fast and did not absorb properly.

I get that there are many challenges faced by the farming community, I also get that there are many of the same challenges faced by any small business. I get that farmers work 20 hour days in season but many also spend their winters loading up their new diesel tucks with their new enclosed trailer and 4 new sleds to spend weeks at a time playing in the mountains (and good for them by the way, that is not a dig) while other small business owners work 20 hour days year round struggling to pay for their Toyota corolla.

Bill 6 is SUPOSED to be about protecting farm hands just as all other employees in Alberta are protected. In the Employer/Employee relationship the Employer often holds the cards, "I don't care if you don't want to do that, or are nervous, I'm signing your pay cheque so do it" In a perfect world OHS legislation would not be required because people would just inherently do the right thing but business (any business including farming) is about the bottom line so employers are often willing to cut corners to save a buck.......

For the record being called a "safety guy" isn't a dig, I'm proud of what I do and I've helped my employers build successful businesses despite "all the fawking bullchit safety rules" if a family farm can not be successfully operated whilst keeping people safe then maybe the model is broken..... or the operator is unwilling to evolve.

Signed you friendly neighborhood safety guy.

 

[etecheaven]

I just talked to my voted out PC MLA, and he told me that the NDP has been pushing for this for the last 15 years. They will not back off, its going to happen as they finally have the power to do so. Also heard that the NDP are working bankers hours at best including the premier.

FYI The MLA'S are not running the show, they are taking orders from all the "deputy's" that have been hired in from all over Canada. Were screwed!

 

[SamStorm]

Yep the entire province is pretty much fubar'd. Just think, we're only 6 months into this farce of a government. And they were on vacation for 5 of those. In another 3 1/2 years there will be nothing left to Alberta as we know it.
Nothead and her out-of province deputies are well on their way to making Alberta a socialist paradise.
I don't think the damage will ever be undone.

 

[smokinD]

I just talked to my voted out PC MLA, and he told me that the NDP has been pushing for this for the last 15 years. They will not back off, its going to happen as they finally have the power to do so. Also heard that the NDP are working bankers hours at best including the premier.

FYI The MLA'S are not running the show, they are taking orders from all the "deputy's" that have been hired in from all over Canada. Were screwed!

We need a chit load of signatures to force a new election 50% + 1. Petitions are going around now if Twattley was doing such a good job then i would really like to see an election called and see what happens then. Also farmers can not recoup the loss or pass of the cost on the customer when they only get market price for there commoditys,one car of grain is 47,000 loaves of bread and 82,000 dollars we get 5200$ for that can,t even fill the equip for that. It should be consulted with the farmers first then written accordingly not rammed down our throats. This bill is for big industry not the small farms but they way it is written now even small farms/colonys will be affected. I guess these little piss ants that got elected and learned about farms out of a book and have Big shiny jobs should get out there and try this for a living. We as parents teach our kids all the safety aspects from when they are wee high we dont need Government to tell us how to run our farms that is shear stupidity. By the way you will either read about all the kickbacks this Twattley is gonna get from Unions like the Aupe etc... they never consulted no one on this that mattered or had a clue as to what the fawk was being drawn up and rammed through.

 

[Cat401]

Not to be an azz but you just described every small business owners struggles. Supply and demand ultimately dictates commodity pricing, and I get that farmers may be more subject to the influence of weather and climate but there is also government assistance available to the agriculture industry which other industries do not enjoy. I don't claim to know a lick about farming but I do know that lots of you guys do nothing to dispel the Woh-is me stereotype that farmers have in the non-farming community. I can't make a go of it because there is not enough rain, there is too much rain, we didn't get enough snow, the snow melted too fast and did not absorb properly.

I get that there are many challenges faced by the farming community, I also get that there are many of the same challenges faces by any small business. I get that farmers work 20 hour days in season but many also spend their winters loading up their new diesel tucks with their new enclosed trailer and 4 new sleds to spend weeks at a time playing in the mountains (and good for them by the way that is not a dig) while other small business owners work 20 hour days year round struggling to pay for their Toyota corolla.

Bill 6 is SUPOSED to be about protecting farm hands just as all other employees in Alberta are protected. In the Employer/Employee relationship the Employer often holds the cards, "I don't care if you don't want to do that, or are nervous, I'm signing you pay cheque so do it" In a perfect world OHS legislation would not be required because people would just inherently do the right thing but business (any business including farming) is about the bottom line so employers are often willing to cut corners to save a buck.......

For the record being called a "safety guy" isn't a dig, I'm proud of what I do and I've helped my employers build successful businesses despite "all the fawking bullchit safety rules" if a family farm can not be successfully operated whilst keeping people safe then maybe the model is broken..... or the operator is unwilling to evolve.

Signed you friendly neighborhood safety guy.

Bogger, every farmer is ok with making his life and the lives of his family safer. The problem here is lifestyle changing legislation is being forced through without the legislators consulting with the people who are most effected.....is that the way to do it? Who would agree to that type of BS?

They (the NDP) have bundled many, many changes without thinking it through. The NDP need to hold off on this bill...discuss it with the parties involved....and then pass a bill that is workable for all farmers....not just the large corporations.

The NDP need to put the brakes on this bill, consult with the farmers not just the unions, then pass a bill that works for everyone involved.

 

[Bogger]

I agree 100%.... I have no use for the NDP or the way they operate, I just don't buy the argument that agriculture operations should not be regulated - how they should be regulated I have not a clue......

Bogger, every farmer is ok with making his life and the lives of his family safer. The problem here is lifestyle changing legislation is being forced through without the legislators consulting with the people who are most effected.....is that the way to do it.

They (the NDP) have bundled many, many changes without thinking it through. The NDP need to hold off on this bill...discuss it with the parties involved....and then pass a bill that is workable for all farmers....not just the large corporations.

The NDP need to put the brakes on this bill, consult with the farmers not just the unions, then pass a bill that works for everyone involved.

 

[popcorn popper]

As soon as everyone realizes this has nothing to do with safety or the likes. This is another way the over spending gov. Can access the pockets of farmers. Think of the millions of dollars the farmers have not had to give up in labour costs as there was no legislation. A family farm will now be a family corporation and you watch soon farming tax breaks will vanish. We can knock the communist countries but in all reality what is the difference here? Did you farmers get the right to vote? Ahhhhh democracy it's wonderful is it not!