BC Teachers strike

[Polarblu]

Like i posted earlier once the three days are up it should go back to negotiations like normal. As you can see on the CBC now the picket lines and fight is all about Bill 22 which was put in place so that the teachers have to go back to work. The strike in the 90's screwed up allot of kids cause they were graded pass or fail on their work up to that point. Daycare got swamped from the young kids, crime went up from the bored teenagers.

 

[SavageCanuck]

If it was all about the kids they should take the 15% off the table as well as banking sick days.The money should then be put into special needs kids and reduced class sizes.Forget the personal raise.I personally am a sub contractor working on 2006 rates but still better than some who have had to lower their rates.Public perception is that most Gov workers ,teachers ,HEU etc do not live in the real world of grinding out your own existance with know one but youself representing you.Most teachers do a great job but like most of us in this economy have to do more with less.Here I sit at home today due to a lack of work and I make absolutly nothing until I pick up my tools.

 

[Riverjet]

If it was all about the kids they should take the 15% off the table as well as banking sick days.The money should then be put into special needs kids and reduced class sizes.Forget the personal raise.I personally am a sub contractor working on 2006 rates but still better than some who have had to lower their rates.Public perception is that most Gov workers ,teachers ,HEU etc do not live in the real world of grinding out your own existance with know one but youself representing you.Most teachers do a great job but like most of us in this economy have to do more with less.Here I sit at home today due to a lack of work and I make absolutly nothing until I pick up my tools.

Nothing personal, but you sure do sound like a very bitter person that thinks because you are in the situation you are, that anyone else that may have it better than you do should shut their yaps and be thankful they have a job. And by the way, everything the teachers are asking for are items that are negotiable. Do you know what that means? It looks like you don't. If you don't understand the collective bargaining process, you should learn how it works before commenting. It really makes a difference when you understand the negotiation process that goes on between workers and employers.

 

[Longhairfreak]

Nothing personal, but you sure do sound like a very bitter person that thinks because you are in the situation you are, that anyone else that may have it better than you do should shut their yaps and be thankful they have a job. And by the way, everything the teachers are asking for are items that are negotiable. Do you know what that means? It looks like you don't. If you don't understand the collective bargaining process, you should learn how it works before commenting. It really makes a difference when you understand the negotiation process that goes on between workers and employers.

Nice!

 

[jbb]

Nothing personal, but you sure do sound like a very bitter person that thinks because you are in the situation you are, that anyone else that may have it better than you do should shut their yaps and be thankful they have a job. And by the way, everything the teachers are asking for are items that are negotiable. Do you know what that means? It looks like you don't. If you don't understand the collective bargaining process, you should learn how it works before commenting. It really makes a difference when you understand the negotiation process that goes on between workers and employers.

well since there contract workers. maybe it should be the governments right to not renew there contracts and start fresh with other works.

 

[Longhairfreak]

well since there contract workers. maybe it should be the governments right to not renew there contracts and start fresh with other works.

Id rather negotiate a raise than suck dick for it.

 

[jbb]

Id rather negotiate a raise than suck dick for it.

same thing......

 

[somethingnuw]

Im on my back laughing right now. My mom is a specail needs techer and loves her job. She is outraged by the fact teachers won't do theirs. Marking papers, planning and large class rooms...... What ever happened to part of the job description. Kids today don't have a clue as to what its like. The first question the teacher asks is if the kids have had breakfast if they say no then there is a room for those who havent to go and get what ever they like from cereal to bacon and eggs, fruit milk and juice all included. When I was growing up if you we didn't have luch we went hungry or took our halloween candy to trade for real food. I have very humble begenings and do not forget where I have come from. These teachers that are paying for their own supplies? Who ever paid for a loggers work boots or a truckers tires or a mechanics wrenches? If they made the choice to go to school and take out loans in the process that is their obligation not mine. I can't go to my employer and say I have a hefty morgage so give me a raise with better benifits. We made the consious decision to send our kids to private school so that we were not faced with many of these problems in the public school system. Its sad to think but one day a child is going to go missing because the teachers aren't performing the rolls and responsabilities.... Who is going to take the heat for that one?

If you don't like your job or your pay grade frind something else or stop complaining.

It sure would be nice to only work 9 months a year and get paid for 12 with full benifits and pention at the end.

just my 2

JUST TO ADD TO THAT... no less then 10 people i graduated with became teachers... only one ever said "she wanted to be a teacher" in high school and she loves her job... went to a private school... got paid less just to get away from the BS... now the other ones... went to university and partied hard then after 4 years of drinking and some studies they got a BA in nothing that would do them any good... so then, only then did they decided 1 more year of "education" tranining and they could get a job as a teacher... after they got that certificate they all complained they couldn't get a job.... i then moved out of the Vancouver area and found out that the North is begging for teachers... I don't get it!!! I hate that the teacher are holding me hostage for more money... could you imagine in hospitals, cops and firefighter could do the same thing... DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON LONG SHOREMEN

I am sorry people... the pot is only so big... we can't keep giving to everyone that wants it... something has to change... we are over taxed as it is!

 

[moyiesledhead]

as well as banking sick days

Banking sick days? WTF is a sick day? Reality check people! For me it's a day's lost wages if I stay home sick....and I'm working under a union collective agreement! Guess we didn't bargain very well!

Anyway.....the Government's got a lot of nerve claiming to have appointed a mediator "as the teachers have requested", when they've already tied his hands as to the outcome. (net zero) That doesn't fit any definition of "mediation" I've ever heard! It's more like imposing a contract without actually saying you're imposing a contract.

 

[Longhairfreak]

Banking sick days? WTF is a sick day? Reality check people! For me it's a day's lost wages if I stay home sick....and I'm working under a union collective agreement! Guess we didn't bargain very well!

Anyway.....the Government's got a lot of nerve claiming to have appointed a mediator "as the teachers have requested", when they've already tied his hands as to the outcome. (net zero) That doesn't fit any definition of "mediation" I've ever heard! It's more like imposing a contract without actually saying you're imposing a contract.

Not that Im a lazy phuck but i get 8 weeks vacation and 5 sick days. Trust me I use them all.

 

[moyiesledhead]

I don't suffer for time off either, but we've never been able to negotiate payed sick days.

 

[Longhairfreak]

I don't suffer for time off either, but we've never been able to negotiate payed sick days.

All my time off is paid.

 

[SavageCanuck]

Nothing personal, but you sure do sound like a very bitter person that thinks because you are in the situation you are, that anyone else that may have it better than you do should shut their yaps and be thankful they have a job. And by the way, everything the teachers are asking for are items that are negotiable. Do you know what that means? It looks like you don't. If you don't understand the collective bargaining process, you should learn how it works before commenting. It really makes a difference when you understand the negotiation process that goes on between workers and employers.

Not bitter at all just stating the facts in this economy.Have you and do you ever find your own work on your own .I mean side work not just working for the man where you set the price do the work and collect the money.I do it all the time and have to be motivated.I have been a subcontractor for 20yrs looking after myself and I do very well at it with no Union representing me.Yes I pay a lot of taxes,that fund all our social programs.Yes people should be thankfull to have a job in this economy,obviuosly you have not or must not know someone who has been out of work in this economy.Teachers are no differant due to decling enrolements there is less demand for their services.If they don't like their situation they are free to locate to a diff province

 

[eclipse1966]

It seems like this strike has made the teachers lose their better judgement when teaching our kids (as per my original rant). My 12 year old daughter was almost in tears last night as she asked her math teacher to help with some questions she did not understand as she missed a week and a half due to the flu. Teacher's reply was "I already taught that lesson and you on your own because we are on strike". This was during regular class time! I have never called the school to complain about their methods of teaching etc etc. but this takes the cake. Spoke to the principal and he fully agreed this was out of line. He told me that unfortunately this strike has gone beyond common sense as he is up to his eye balls with parents complaints for similar problems and worse ones to. Anyway, this is so wrong that their beef with the government is put upon the students even during class time. Again, if they dont like it, it is time for them to move on and work in another field.

 

[Longhairfreak]

It seems like this strike has made the teachers lose their better judgement when teaching our kids (as per my original rant). My 12 year old daughter was almost in tears last night as she asked her math teacher to help with some questions she did not understand as she missed a week and a half due to the flu. Teacher's reply was "I already taught that lesson and you on your own because we are on strike". This was during regular class time! I have never called the school to complain about their methods of teaching etc etc. but this takes the cake. Spoke to the principal and he fully agreed this was out of line. He told me that unfortunately this strike has gone beyond common sense as he is up to his eye balls with parents complaints for similar problems and worse ones to. Anyway, this is so wrong that their beef with the government is put upon the students even during class time. Again, if they dont like it, it is time for them to move on and work in another field.

Do you honestly think teachers are overpaid?

 

[Free Rider]

In my opinion teachers are not overpaid nor are they underpaid. I believe they are where they should be on a wage scale. And as a taxpayer paying their salary I have every right to say so.

 

[Polarblu]

As you can see with the Air Canada strike, legislation is being put in place so that people can not cripple the country!! Strikes will soon be a thing of the past! Bill 22 for the teachers will be passed before the next negotiations. It is the only way that negotiations can happen, no more walking out. I think the raise in pay is acceptable, but a strike is not. Strikes are selfish displays period!!!! Everything i see that the teachers want is fine with me, talk it down a few percent, class size is a facility problem that cant be fixed overnight, supplies for students!!!! that should have been fixed 15 years ago, fix it now and move on.
Next option is to sell the schools to a private firm and lower income tax. I dont have kids but my tax dollars pay for yours!

 

[Longhairfreak]

Does anybody remember the Gainers strikes. Do you think that was over reaction by the employees? Peter Puck wanted to phuck his employees for his own greed.

 

[eclipse1966]

Do you honestly think teachers are overpaid?

Never said that. Do I believe changes are necessary..... yes, do I believe a strike is the way to go about it......no, do I believe the teachers have a right to preach or tell my daughter she is on her own to learn something because she is on strike......... absolutely NO! In fact it pi$$e$ me off

 

[jbb]

In my opinion teachers are not overpaid nor are they underpaid. I believe they are where they should be on a wage scale. And as a taxpayer paying their salary I have every right to say so.

95000 a year in alberta for a teach. oh wait let me rephrase that. 95000 for 3/4 of a year. im leaning towards over paid. lol