How do you dispose of the old batteries and what is the carbon print to mine battery materials to production ready.
B.C. wants ALL zero emission cars, trucks by 2040
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How do you dispose of the old batteries and what is the carbon print to mine battery materials to production ready.
Caper11
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I have driven a hybrid I really liked it, and im definitely not a hater.
I look at costs to purchase and get setup with charging at home. How much did the charging system coat at home? Id like to see the actual costs to get setup.
Unfortunately With my lifestyle, I cannot see myself having one for a main beater around town, if I lived in a city with a long commute than maybe.
jhurkot
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If you have a welding plug or electrical panel in your garage you’re golden. Otherwise could be a bit difficult. I installed a transfer switch on our dryer plug (dryer is right next to the garage). About $300 in materials. Charges at about 38km/h. Which is about 12 hours from 0 to 100%.
I would not recommend relying on 120volt charging especially after this recent winter. You could actually use 120volt charging in a heated garage and be ok but the charge rate is slow af.
Ultimately though if you aren’t driving that much it might not even be worth it. They are still fairly expensive right now to justify if you are driving a small number of km/year.
gunner3006
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Johnny, I’m definitely not a hater. And anyone that doesn’t love new technology will be stale and die missing out on a lot of cool things. I think maybe the quality off battery’s maybe getting better but the price is getting a little outrageous. Like someone above stated. The battery is costing more than the tool it drives.
jhurkot
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Once batteries are no longer good enough for a vehicle they will likely get recycled into grid storage. It’s cheaper to recycle the batteries than it is to mine new materials.
I’m not entirely sure what the carbon per kWh of battery is. I do know that they are constantly working to reduce the amount of precious minerals to produce these batteries. For example the Tesla cells have 75% less cobalt than the ones VW is using.
jhurkot
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I agree that power tool batteries are outrageous. They charge what people are willing to pay not necessarily what they are worth. It is pretty convenient to have 10 different tools and just swap 4 batteries between them all. Most people are pretty accustomed to cordless tools now and would not go back to corded tools. It’s like those old inkjet printers that were dirt cheap and they nailed you every time you needed to buy ink.
Mike270412
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A new printer including ink is cheaper than a cartridge .Same as buying a new tool with battery is cheaper than a battery.
LBZ
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What pisses me off about clips like this is where’s the accurate cost of charging? What % of our electricity is actually from renewable energy? This is a huge factor in emission calculations they like to leave out. Not including the environmental impacts of the rare earth mining compared to oil and gas is also a big one they like to leave out.
X-it
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Zero emission cars by 2040 is a socialist government agenda. But lets say they accomplish this agenda, shut down our forest with Sara, shut down the oil sands as well. And now our oil refinery is it feasible to run and all those gas stations sitting there i am sure they will have to fold up to. So now we have land locked BC were tourism is our 3rd largest industry, no dam place to fill up your rv, lets avoid that province. No one left to tax to put in all those charging stations. I think Venezuela is having l trouble running their grid as well.
jhurkot
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$0.20/kWh all in (Southern Alberta)
One litre of gasoline contains 8.72 kWh of energy
So basically 1L of gas energy in electricity is $1.74
jhurkot
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The year is 2019. We have...
Foldable touchscreen smart phones
High speed wireless internet available almost anywhere (soon anywhere via satellites)
Flying drones capturing the health and moisture level of crops in real time
Robots that can automate most any physical task to a degree far superior than any human
Electric vehicles with 500km of range, 250KW charge rate, level 2-3 autonomy
And in the year 2040, 21 years for now, you honestly believe that you will be filling your RV with unleaded gasoline?
X-it
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With everyone voting for socialists i can see us living the same life style as venezuala. And we are running out of garbage dumps to put those automated superior robots when they become junk.
jhurkot
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It doesn't matter how you vote. You can't stop technology.
X-it
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You will be surprised what happens to a country when all the dogs and cats disappear.
Lem Lamb
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And that's if the energy rate remains the same. """It won't since the clowns will incress the costs of energy then put a electric auto tax on top of that to dispose of the batteries and extra plastic that will get dumped into the ocean at Vancouver or Seattle...
Out of sight out of mind as the powers to be put the extra cash in thier pockets. Ha.
The rich have this figured out long ago before it becomes a reality...
All based on power, control and the poor that foot the bill...
Mind you it won't play out since the lights in Canada are pretty much burnt out.
Oh well, the rest of us can go live on the street or in the forests before the system sell the rest of them off. LOL
jhurkot
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Imagine all the infrastructure that once existed for the horses that powered our economy and how the people in that world had to adjust. My grandfather was a blacksmith. Things change. I would say that major shift was completely consumer/market driven though but could be wrong. I want my 'Mr Fusion' from Back to the Future.
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freeflorider
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But dose it make him wrong.
Mike270412
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