I want to see Canada get tougher on criminals who are caught red handed. If you steal, you lose a hand. If you rape someone, you lose your jewels. You murder someone....well you pay with your life. We have to start getting tough people, we have to let our politicians know we will not sit by anymore and watch all this chit happen. Innocent people getting belongings stolen, friends murdered, raped, drunk drivers smashing into your wife & kids. I will not take it anymore. I will do whatever I can to push the issue. We cannot let criminals keep walking away with a slap on the hand.
An "eye for an eye".
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Orrin
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I concur.
dirtball08
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Haggis
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My own father was murdered when I was a boy........three youths sentenced, some minor jail time and community service. They were out a very long time before I had finished getting over the loss of my dad.
I agree tougher sentences might deter crime.......killing these 3 guys (and at several times over the years I have thought about finding them) will never ever 'right' the wrong. He's not coming back. I do believe that some people have made terrible mistakes punishable by death and go on to do something decent even remarkable with the second chance they have received. Hanging on to this vengenance was doing me more harm than good - had to let it go - so I did. One day they will answer for it - no doubt in my mind.
I think there is merit in your position as you look at some middle eastern countries where theives do get there hands chopped off, murderers sentenced to public hangings , rapists jewels cut off - crime is probably less. But then you look at the rest out their country and those stiff rules bring even more rules which leads to a total lack of freedom. There is a balance there somewhere and I am sure everyone would agree Canada needs to get tougher on crime.
I agree tougher sentences might deter crime.......killing these 3 guys (and at several times over the years I have thought about finding them) will never ever 'right' the wrong. He's not coming back. I do believe that some people have made terrible mistakes punishable by death and go on to do something decent even remarkable with the second chance they have received. Hanging on to this vengenance was doing me more harm than good - had to let it go - so I did. One day they will answer for it - no doubt in my mind.
I think there is merit in your position as you look at some middle eastern countries where theives do get there hands chopped off, murderers sentenced to public hangings , rapists jewels cut off - crime is probably less. But then you look at the rest out their country and those stiff rules bring even more rules which leads to a total lack of freedom. There is a balance there somewhere and I am sure everyone would agree Canada needs to get tougher on crime.
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The most important one to me is the rape. I wish that was punishable by death. That would put some closure to the victims. It won't make everything go away, but I am sure it would speed up the recovery. Look at that poor women in Banff a few years ago, beaten & raped. By someone who has done the same thing previously. I have absolutely no use for these people. The way I see it is they should not have the right to live amongst us.
Haggis
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Yeah - that is a particularly disturbing crime for the victim (and family) to move on from. It leaves them feeling so vulnerable long after the crime has been comitted against them.....I remember that story about the girl in Banff.
What I don't get is if the courts know and see that the success rate of rehabilitating these guys is very low, and repeat offending is high - why are they not automatically locking them up for MUCH longer periods of time?
What I don't get is if the courts know and see that the success rate of rehabilitating these guys is very low, and repeat offending is high - why are they not automatically locking them up for MUCH longer periods of time?
Orrin
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Maybe we need to lock up the Judges as they are responsible for crimes committed after the criminals get released on there light sentences. Unrealistic, but we should at the least be electing our Judges so they at least have to listen to what the people want. The cost in the reduced crime rate would easliy pay for the elections.
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If we are going to look elsewhere for examples of how to mete out justice, how about looking at systems where the crime rates are better than here, (ie. NOT the U.S. where judges are elected).
We need to stay away from irreversible punishments (death, dismemberment, etc) There are way too many people being released from prison that were unjustly convicted that would be dead if we had the death penalty. Maybe we should chop off the right foot for speeding, since nothing kills more people in Alberta than traffic accidents except suicide......
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Well I hope you are not wrongly convicted of rape or worse murder.Although they could definatly get a whole lot tougher without the eye for an eye scenario!
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It's kind of tough to get wrongly convicted if you are caught red handed like I stated in my first post. I am talking absolutely no doubt, in a lot of rape cases it is very easy to find the person that committed the crime in which we do not need to discuss.
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I as well lost a sister at the age of 27 years (murdered) To top it all off her supposed boyfriend that beat her basically to death ...got off...completly unbeileavable with all of the evidence against him. However....older brother found him...rang door bell...knocked him down and went to town on hands, wrists, elbows, shoulders, hips, knees etc. with ball pein hammer taped to a peice of PVC plumbers tube and told him, " everytime you go to the bathroom motherf__ker.... someone will be pushin you in there, and wiping your sorry AZZ everytime...and everytime I want you to think of my sister....killin you is too easy...have a nice life!" The thing is it shouldn't get to this in this day and age and our court system completly does not give time to fit the crime and with the young offenders act and all the wicked stupid drugs....its only going to get worse unless we lobby to get our politicians changing laws that reflect the good of everyday citizens and protect us and our families instead of the criminal....we are a haven for low life scums with the laws we have and we all just accept it ...it is ridiculous....but...in our case justice was served!
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I do agree to a certain extent, but nothing is going to happen within our judicial system because there are too many bleeding hearts out there.
And didn't you get the LIEberal memo,.. our justice system only works for the criminals, look at the gun registry,.. prime example.
And didn't you get the LIEberal memo,.. our justice system only works for the criminals, look at the gun registry,.. prime example.
Definatly need to get tougher on criminals. Death penalty must be brought back to do it. Far as i'm concerned, no sentence should be over 20 years, it should be the death penatly. It costs us taxpayers way to much for them to sit and rot in prison. I also believe that anyone in jail should be working to earn their keep, shouldn't get to sit in a cell.
The problem is to many liberals don't want the laws to get tougher, and there are so many of them out east us in the west just don't got near of a voice. The ones that really need to go for good are the child abusers that keep getting let out.
Certain things I believe they should get a second chance but extreme things like murder, rape, child abuse should be automatic death penalty as long as there is absolutely no doubt. But you also have to consider, 20-30 years ago they didn't have near the technology to find out who done it they do now. Plus they also sit on death row many places for quite sometime.
I even believe things like stealing, robbery it should be 3 strikes. Do it 3 times death penalty. If they haven't learned by then they will never and the world is much better off with them 6 feet under.
Even many countries death penatly for killing someone while driving drunk I think is a GREAT idea.
The problem is to many liberals don't want the laws to get tougher, and there are so many of them out east us in the west just don't got near of a voice. The ones that really need to go for good are the child abusers that keep getting let out.
Certain things I believe they should get a second chance but extreme things like murder, rape, child abuse should be automatic death penalty as long as there is absolutely no doubt. But you also have to consider, 20-30 years ago they didn't have near the technology to find out who done it they do now. Plus they also sit on death row many places for quite sometime.
I even believe things like stealing, robbery it should be 3 strikes. Do it 3 times death penalty. If they haven't learned by then they will never and the world is much better off with them 6 feet under.
Even many countries death penatly for killing someone while driving drunk I think is a GREAT idea.
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I believe the Conservative government would love to overhaul the system but they need a majority first. I really hope they can get it so this messed up by the LIEbrel government country can get fixed up.
The very first thing that needs to happen is to burn the Charter of Freedom and Rights and give the freedoms back to the victim and not the criminal.
The very first thing that needs to happen is to burn the Charter of Freedom and Rights and give the freedoms back to the victim and not the criminal.
2manykids
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death penalty as long as there is absolutely no doubt
I have read and heard this many times. You should not be convicted it this is not true. OK ?
Now there are many other ways to deal with this problem and tougher laws is a start. Have you ever been in a system jail? They are a great place, TV rooms, rec areas, 3 meals. Damn you can even earn money in there for when you are released. Work programs are a joke, go pick litter up off the highway, and yep earn a buck or two. How about the idea of the old chain gang tie them all together and let them dig. IN canada we also have many island far north, no you can not swim from them, they are the end of the line. The answer is survive or die. Criminals will sort themselves out. Does this sound like many movies? There is big $ in jails. Dont get me started on the education you can get in jail FREE. Sorry for the shirt rant
I have read and heard this many times. You should not be convicted it this is not true. OK ?
Now there are many other ways to deal with this problem and tougher laws is a start. Have you ever been in a system jail? They are a great place, TV rooms, rec areas, 3 meals. Damn you can even earn money in there for when you are released. Work programs are a joke, go pick litter up off the highway, and yep earn a buck or two. How about the idea of the old chain gang tie them all together and let them dig. IN canada we also have many island far north, no you can not swim from them, they are the end of the line. The answer is survive or die. Criminals will sort themselves out. Does this sound like many movies? There is big $ in jails. Dont get me started on the education you can get in jail FREE. Sorry for the shirt rant
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I like the idea of jails being in the remote far north.........the arguement has always been that visitation is a basic prisoner's right. I think that would seriously deter criminals if time was 'hard time' where you lose the right to have family and friends visit. Would cut down on a lot of the drug problems in jails too if visitors are not there that takes care of one entry point for narcotics.
While we are at it, trial lengths are far too long. They should be kept to 30 min. at most. And make sure that people have only court appointed lawyers. On second thought let’s do away with all lawyers, and let state appointed judges hand out death sentences. Yup, I agree Canadian courts are too lenient.
eattheweak
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If you want to look at crime stats look at Singapore, there is tough justice (10 lashes with a whip for drunk driving 1st offence). Large population very low crime rate. Justice needs teeth
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