Just wondering what the top speed of a brand new ( broke in) 2010 800 summit is with a 154 inch? Today my dad and I raced several times from a stopped position and I can kick his @ss with my 700 summit with brand new short block. I mean right off the start he gets maybe a 2 sled length lead but at around 60 km/h I blow right by him like it is rediculous. He is topping out at 65 miles per hour, and my spedo reads just under 120 km/h.... He is pissed off and calling in about it tommorow. Any ideas? And yes I know they are geared for the mountains and stuff but still....
2010 800r beat by 02 700??
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dooryder
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you would have more track speed because of your shorter track too, my sled only does about 145 on a good stretch but thats hard to reach some times,
teeroy
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it took me a solid week of messing with clutching and gearing to stay ahead of my buddy's '02 700 summit 144 with my brand new '08 XP 146. try him on hardpack, different story....but in any kind of loose snow the XP won't upshift with stock clutching, he would blow by me and I could see the smile on his face....lol.
maxwell
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1- a summit is not designed to go fast
2- put it on a slope with snow and check again
3 - a summit is not designed to go fast
2- put it on a slope with snow and check again
3 - a summit is not designed to go fast
teeroy
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'02 700 summits sure haul ass....I was stunned that a sled with 30 less hp and 50+ lbs heavier could hang it on mine like that. I could holeshot him easily by 3-4 sled lengths but he'd reel me in when mine hit that 60mph wall. this is in loose snow, anything more than 6 inches or so.
was helping a friend dial in his 2010 sno pro this weekend on a 1000' drag track we groomed in my field a few weeks back, had it running pretty decent times in 660' so decided to line the summit up with him for chits and giggles. smoked his azz, my best 660' was 7.74 secs @ 88mph. his best was 8.22 @ 83mph. summits are fast....:d
maxwell
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summit uses 21/43 while the summit 154 uses 19/45...
way taller gears on the 2002.
his race results are purely based on gear ratios.
summit pulls off the line until gear ratio max speed 60mph.....2002 pulls ahead.....
assuming the same drivers ( not ) that gearing differance alone makes 15-20mph differance.
tell him not to call in. there is nothing wrong with his sled. he bought a summit. 65mph is normal.
if he wanted to win lake races he should have bought an mxz.
or take it to the mountains (summit) and try again......
sorry but this is a touchy subject for me as people that buy summits and expect to go lake racing and win kind of bug me.
remember these machines have to spin a 154x16x2.3" track. not a conveyor belt. there is no 'but still" about this. it takes low gear ratios to spin a large track like that and keep in spinning in the steep and deep. sure you can swap your gearing and it will work for racing...maybe....but watch it fall on its face when it hits the hills.
these are my 2 pet peeves. people that want to convert there mxz to a summit and people that want there summit to " go fast"
this is like comparing a ferrari to a hummer. they are designed for 2 totally oposite purposes.
whats the dealer going to do about it. put a speed chip in it?
also what are his suspension settings. depending on his limiter strap and shock settings he could be wasting alot of launch time because of inncorect "racing" settings.....they do come setup for overall best performance not racing or climbing.
way taller gears on the 2002.
his race results are purely based on gear ratios.
summit pulls off the line until gear ratio max speed 60mph.....2002 pulls ahead.....
assuming the same drivers ( not ) that gearing differance alone makes 15-20mph differance.
tell him not to call in. there is nothing wrong with his sled. he bought a summit. 65mph is normal.
if he wanted to win lake races he should have bought an mxz.
or take it to the mountains (summit) and try again......
sorry but this is a touchy subject for me as people that buy summits and expect to go lake racing and win kind of bug me.
remember these machines have to spin a 154x16x2.3" track. not a conveyor belt. there is no 'but still" about this. it takes low gear ratios to spin a large track like that and keep in spinning in the steep and deep. sure you can swap your gearing and it will work for racing...maybe....but watch it fall on its face when it hits the hills.
these are my 2 pet peeves. people that want to convert there mxz to a summit and people that want there summit to " go fast"
this is like comparing a ferrari to a hummer. they are designed for 2 totally oposite purposes.
whats the dealer going to do about it. put a speed chip in it?
also what are his suspension settings. depending on his limiter strap and shock settings he could be wasting alot of launch time because of inncorect "racing" settings.....they do come setup for overall best performance not racing or climbing.
maxwell
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haha tracktion is awesome.
what do you use for timing?
snow conditions efffect top end speed so much....88mph vs 65mph in some fluff
Longhairfreak
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Newer doesnt mean better.
Red Mtn Riders
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Tell that to the guys on the old style summits we pulled out of the powder yeasterday.
Two completely different things as mentioned.
If you don't think the newer mountain sleds aren't better in the mountains, you haven't been paying attention, and you certainly haven't been riding them.
maxwell
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he hasnt been. hes stuck on a wedge
teeroy
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using 3 people (one on the sled), stop watch and starter flag. his is a factory A/C sno pro race sled, I figured it would be faster....the factory Cat guys are saying it should do 7.20 in 660'....having a difficult time acheiving that.
I find that really funny when that happens, my buddy is doing the same thing because he got smoked by an 03 summit 800 144. I told him to shorten the length of the race, lol. How fast do you want to go with these things. Like maxwell says.....these new summits are made to climb, i have an 02 800 summit, and an 09 800 summit, I only get on the 02 if I have too. These new sleds are way better, and I don't race my summit on flat land.
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put them on an uphill race in 3 feet of pow, and see what happens..... Gearing and clutching is everything.
Orrin
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Exactly, point them uphill and see what happens.
stock to stock, new ones will kick some old school butt.
but don't bag on the old sleds too quickly, I own a couple old sleds that will kick the crap out of the new junk.
ah what the hell do I know?? I only ride a 440 anyways.
but don't bag on the old sleds too quickly, I own a couple old sleds that will kick the crap out of the new junk.
ah what the hell do I know?? I only ride a 440 anyways.
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Longhairfreak
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Is that speedo mph? I can only hit 96 radar mph on my wedge in 660 ft with mountain set up. I think that equates to 115 speedo mph.
fbraz088
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unless you have one hell of a wedge your not hitting 96mph in 660ft lol.
I often laugh when people see my sled and ask "How fast does it go?" I then fill them in that it's not designed to go fast but rather to the top of Mountains.
It should also be noted that sled speedos are not the most accurate. The speedo on my 08 XP reads ~20km/hr difference to GPS on the trail.
It should also be noted that sled speedos are not the most accurate. The speedo on my 08 XP reads ~20km/hr difference to GPS on the trail.
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KVF 700, I bet your dad is just letting you beat him so he can see the smile on your face.......
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