2010 800r beat by 02 700??

[KVF 700]

KVF 700, I bet your dad is just letting you beat him so he can see the smile on your face.......

no he is sincerely pissed off ha! especially since the 700 i ride is his old one lol. he says "ive never been able to beat ANYONE EVER". hes had a 340 when everyone else had 500's, a 583 when others had a 670, a 700 when others had the 800 so now bought a 800 and gets his ass kicked.

so would a 2010 800 summit with a 146 be a better competition against the old 700 summit (across a field)? since that way the track sizes are not so far apart? i mean yes yes it is clear that up a hill the new ones far out perform the old ones, but in the end they are both summits that are geared for the mountains anyways. I still feel the 800r should get to its top speed (regardless of what it is) before the old 700...

 

[maxwell]

no.....a 146 track is still 1" wider and has another 3/4 inch of lug on the grouind. the 146 summit is STILL geared lower. and not to mention your sled is geared to high as is from the factory as brp was still learning back in 2002. if you had it in the mountains you would find that out right away. whereas the 146 summit gearing is almost bang on from the factory for MOUNTAIN RIDING.

so basically if you installed YOUR gearing into your DADS sled it would KILLLLLLLLLLL you.

but other than that you are always going to have the advantage with higher gearing and a smaller track.

but who really has the advantage. that summit is at least 50% better in the steep and deep. sleds have come along way

 

[Longhairfreak]

unless you have one hell of a wedge your not hitting 96mph in 660ft lol.

Its one hell of a wedge alright. And that was pullin a 156x16x2.5 track.

 

[Longhairfreak]

no.....a 146 track is still 1" wider and has another 3/4 inch of lug on the grouind. the 146 summit is STILL geared lower. and not to mention your sled is geared to high as is from the factory as brp was still learning back in 2002. if you had it in the mountains you would find that out right away. whereas the 146 summit gearing is almost bang on from the factory for MOUNTAIN RIDING.

so basically if you installed YOUR gearing into your DADS sled it would KILLLLLLLLLLL you.

but other than that you are always going to have the advantage with higher gearing and a smaller track.

but who really has the advantage. that summit is at least 50% better in the steep and deep. sleds have come along way

Im geared for 84mph is that to high for the mountains?

 

[maxwell]

Im geared for 88mph is that to high for the mountains?

i dont know? my stock summit 163 will do almost 80mph on a groomed trail.

so who cares? it can only hold 45mph in a climb.

i dont care what your drag racing gearing is...what trackspeed can it hold in a climb is what matters.

and i know you cant hold 88mph in a climb.

i would be suprised if your sled would break 50.

 

[Longhairfreak]

i dont know? my stock summit 163 will do almost 80mph on a groomed trail.

so who cares? it can only hold 45mph in a climb.

i dont care what your drag racing gearing is...what trackspeed can it hold in a climb is what matters.

and i know you cant hold 88mph in a climb.

i would be suprised if your sled would break 50.

Thats mountain gearing. My drag gearing is taller. Ha Ha looks like youll be surprised.

 

[maxwell]

i wouldbt be supprised if my stock summit took out your wedge. in a climb..

after all its all about the pilot too and you just seem to pilot the keyboard

 

[KVF 700]

just stirring the pot again...
i've heard that clutching plays a HUGE role in all of this. I talk to guys that say gearing is only a very small part of the issue and that getting the clutch to engange and operate in just the right way is the key. Any further input

 

[neilsleder]

i wouldbt be supprised if my stock summit took out your wedge. in a climb..

after all its all about the pilot too and you just seem to pilot the keyboard

I agree! Summit would walk all over almost ant wedge in deep snow, there's a reason why they dont make the wedge any more. And they gear the new Summits down so they can pull the 800 Dragons out easier! LOL:d

 

[Longhairfreak]

just stirring the pot again...
i've heard that clutching plays a HUGE role in all of this. I talk to guys that say gearing is only a very small part of the issue and that getting the clutch to engange and operate in just the right way is the key. Any further input

Gearing is just as important as clutching. They work hand in hand.

 

[maxwell]

just stirring the pot again...
i've heard that clutching plays a HUGE role in all of this. I talk to guys that say gearing is only a very small part of the issue and that getting the clutch to engange and operate in just the right way is the key. Any further input

yes your right...mph gains can be acheived through clutching. but once again you win some you loose some. start clutching your machine to go fast and it will be a slug in the mountains.

 

[fbraz088]

wow longhair, your all mixed up in your lies, you do 96mph in 660 ft, your geared for 88mph...

i knwo for a fact that you need a helluva lot of power and perfect setup to run 96 in 660. check the haydays numbers in GRASS drags.... i dont even think the D&D crossfireR1000 did 96mph

 

[imdoo'n]

stock to stock, new ones will kick some old school butt.

but don't bag on the old sleds too quickly, I own a couple old sleds that will kick the crap out of the new junk.

ah what the hell do I know?? I only ride a 440 anyways.

and major wheelies too. you seem to lways be able to do the superhuman stuff wish i had pictures:d:d

 

[Longhairfreak]

wow longhair, your all mixed up in your lies, you do 96mph in 660 ft, your geared for 88mph...

i knwo for a fact that you need a helluva lot of power and perfect setup to run 96 in 660. check the haydays numbers in GRASS drags.... i dont even think the D&D crossfireR1000 did 96mph

That was in my old wedge. My new wedge is geared for 84 actually. Thats my mountain set up. If I was to go to the drags again I would gear it alot taller.

 

[Longhairfreak]

wow longhair, your all mixed up in your lies, you do 96mph in 660 ft, your geared for 88mph...

i knwo for a fact that you need a helluva lot of power and perfect setup to run 96 in 660. check the haydays numbers in GRASS drags.... i dont even think the D&D crossfireR1000 did 96mph

Have you ever heard of Engine Tech? I run one of their small 1160s. I know their F9 kit has the record for fastest sled under 1000cc 8.7@151mph in the 1/4 mile. Not bad for a 900.

 

[KVF 700]

summit uses 21/43 while the summit 154 uses 19/45...way taller gears on the 2002.

his race results are purely based on gear ratios.

summit pulls off the line until gear ratio max speed 60mph.....2002 pulls ahead.....


assuming the same drivers ( not ) that gearing differance alone makes 15-20mph differance.

just clarifying, stock summit 700 gearing is 21/43?

 

[maxwell]

supposed to be pop your cover and look. who knows whats in their now.

 

[KVF 700]

alright. well we owned it since new so chances are its the same.

 

[team dirt]

longhair why dont you come to fernie on mar 6 and lets see the old wedge perform. $2000 up for grabs. mabey someone would actually take your talk serious. see you there if you got the balls.

 

[Longhairfreak]

longhair why dont you come to fernie on mar 6 and lets see the old wedge perform. $2000 up for grabs. mabey someone would actually take your talk serious. see you there if you got the balls.

Ill be in Mcbride.