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On doos site their numbers are just a little higher then yours. You just have dealer propaganda snopro. J/k.

Actually to be honest I'm still laughing about snopros comment. That was funny.

And to think its all because doo released a sled with a heated glove box. lol

We may have the smaller muscles in this fight but at least our bellies are not getting bigger each year. Lol.

Nothing much new some unibrow thing and gained some weight on the doo. Lol

Funny you forgot to mention the best selling side by side on the market the RZR.

Oh boy I tried to say the same thing yesterday and got shut down them doo guys just don't listen. I wish someone had a track Dyno to compare the two as well. Again we shall not speak of the power delivery system between the two. Might be a bad topic as well. Lol

Been here all along. Read prior posts in the doo threads.

Geese you doo guys flip what's important or not. It's kinda like arguing with a women no mater what your always wrong!

So smaller seat, holes in flap, less material in boards, and less rod length in track. Should equal less weight. So how heavy is that new skid. If the extra weight is in the skid I see why they went with the flex track to help tip that thing over with so much weight lower on the sled.

They have added 5 more pounds to each of the track lengths.

I try and learn what I can from all the brands. I do not feel threaten just like stirring the pot. Who likes a boring forum anyways. Serious note though would you say the powdermax is better then the CE?

Hey you lost the 2.5 ce and got a powder max flex track!!! Oh and 5 more pounds of weight!!!!

I wouldn't it looks like you guys have some cool wraps for this year. Monster will only ruin it.

Seriously though I wonder why 4 degrees tilt? Hardly seems worth all the enginering. I wonder if campo last will look at this flex track idea and build others.

Hey maxwell what's 417 divide by 151? I can't do math wow. Here's the answer for everyone else 2.76 lbs/ hp.

Sorry I did not mean to hit the like button. Anyways oh maxwell you can make fun of all the other brands get people pissed off at you and now we try and have a little fun with you and you get like this. Grow up man. We're all having fun. Anyways I guess the only big release this year was less...

I'm having a hard time with your math on power to weight ratio. Dyno port lists go numbers for xp at 163.9. Numbers for pro 154. So doo claims about the same weight so 459 for 154 track size. Polaris 417 for 155 track. 459/163.9 equals 2.80 lb/hp. Skidoo417/154 equals 2.70 lb/hp. Polaris. This...

Well it is sort of a fail for over a year we have been hearing about a game changer from doo and we got as you say just a Polaris release gimmicks. And as doo has stated the weights are about the SAME. As doo has done in history added weight so we will see Monday as specs will be released. So...

Where's that pic of the large mouth bass going after the hook when you need it? Lol.