whats the scoop in BC on trucks and sleds ?

[08summit]

How is it ICBC is retarded? Insurance companies all think the same.

Look at it this way, someone pulling a trailer not registered or insured to the person it's being pulled by and it comes loose and kills you or writes off your truck. Now the insurance company can argue it won't pay out any compenation because it was not being pulled by the correct owner?
How does your wife and kids feel???

I am not a lwayer but I had a buddy go through court for almost 10 years because a drunk driver re-ended him and changed his life forever. The insurance company tried every way they could to get out of paying. They had "spies" watching the house to see if he was doing yard work, etc. I know this for sure becasue I asked the guy WTF was he taking pictures of.

No matter what you think of the DOT or RCMP they are looking out for the publics safety. Do things right and you have no trouble.

You don't like the rules stay home.

Not sure what type of insurance you have but my Truck insurance here in Alberta covers me while towing a trailer whether it is registered to me or anyone else for that matter as long as it is connected to the truck your vehicle insurance covers it...When it is disconnected from the vehicle it needs to be covered ( Fire, Theft)

 

[pano-dude]

BC is incredibly sticky, my buddy got turned around because his dual framed, '77 ford crew cab 3/4 ton only had five lug nuts, and a 3/4 ton has to have eight. We also got in trouble for bringing in our own fuel in a tidy tank. Pretty sketchy DOT they have over there.

Sketchy DOT? How so, because they were enforcing the law? Drive an old truck(even if it's in good shape) loaded up and you are asking to get pulled over. I am guessing there was no weight rating sticker on the door, so the DOT could not verify the truck was rated for the weight.

It's the same with border patrol in any country you ever visit, you give them a reason to make life hard and they will. Give them the passport, Stick to yes sir no sir and you're on your way.

 

[pano-dude]

Not sure what type of insurance you have but my Truck insurance here in Alberta covers me while towing a trailer whether it is registered to me or anyone else for that matter as long as it is connected to the truck your vehicle insurance covers it...When it is disconnected from the vehicle it needs to be covered ( Fire, Theft)

The post was about commercial trailer and non commercial truck. Different rules may apply.

Like I said I am not a lawyer but insurance companies WILL look for any legal reason to not pay. Just putting it out there.

Also with pulling a trailer "borrowed" from a buddy not in the truck could be a flag for a stolen trailer.

 

[Grinny]

Also with pulling a trailer "borrowed" from a buddy not in the truck could be a flag for a stolen trailer.

If you borrow a trailer make sure to get the registration card and there should be no problems.

 

[ackid]

as long as the patch stays slow all you guys can figure this for the rest of us. man it sure could get cold soon! need some hydrates happening!!

 

[Cyle]

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are you sure about that one we have a ton of people running halftons with decks and there is no issues from the commercial vehicle inspections in fact one of them even have a new 08 chev halfton with a marathon deck on it not to sure were you got your info on this

A deck is allowed as long as the truck isn't overweight, which a deck with 2 sleds usually is on a half ton.

DOT is just trying to keep the roads safe most of the time but they do go overboard sometimes. But really how many people have problems? All the times i've been to B.C for anything whether or not i'm driving, NEVER been pulled over by RCMP or DOT. If you have something very blatant yea you'll probably get pulled over, but I don't think to many people have problems.

But I would really like to see the guys with half tons 2 sleds on a deck pulling trailers pulled over, fined and have sit there until they are legal. Loads like that ARE posing a risk to other people on the road and need to be dealt with. And people that do drive overloaded are hurting it for the rest of us.

 

[vic]

Open & enclosed trailers may be insured differently. I'm from Alberta, my vehicle insurance covers whatever is attached to that vehicle. If it is parked in the yard, it's covered on my homeowners policy for fire & theft. The person towing should always have the trailer registration with him.

 

[Scotford]

this has been a very usefull thread,,, some real good points......I have to agree with the rest to not chance it a go legal...... this thread got me thinking so today i stopped at the scales...

a 2010 F350 crewcab 4X4 shortbox
with marathon deck, 165l fuel tank under deck, 2 800 dragons ready to rideand extra fuel, gear.. here a re the weights...

front - 2210kg rear - 2470kg both - 4670kg

this is what the stickersaid-

front - 2722kg rear - 3175kg both - 5171kg

so loaded and ready to ride trip I have 501kg to spare!

so a half ton sorry not legal..

hope this helps...

Have a safe trip!!!

 

[imdoo'n]

this has been a very usefull thread,,, some real good points......I have to agree with the rest to not chance it a go legal...... this thread got me thinking so today i stopped at the scales...

a 2010 F350 crewcab 4X4 shortbox
with marathon deck, 165l fuel tank under deck, 2 800 dragons ready to rideand extra fuel, gear.. here a re the weights...

front - 2210kg rear - 2470kg both - 4670kg

this is what the stickersaid-

front - 2722kg rear - 3175kg both - 5171kg

so loaded and ready to ride trip I have 501kg to spare!

so a half ton sorry not legal..

hope this helps...

Have a safe trip!!!

i agree, most trucks out there are overloaded but it only takes a few minutes to get it weighed and then you know for sure. you do realize that your 1 ton weighs a lot more than a 1/2 ton.

 

[atver]

The scale is the only way to go , I learned the hard way.

 

[medler]

this has been a very usefull thread,,, some real good points......I have to agree with the rest to not chance it a go legal...... this thread got me thinking so today i stopped at the scales...

a 2010 F350 crewcab 4X4 shortbox
with marathon deck, 165l fuel tank under deck, 2 800 dragons ready to rideand extra fuel, gear.. here a re the weights...

front - 2210kg rear - 2470kg both - 4670kg

this is what the stickersaid-

front - 2722kg rear - 3175kg both - 5171kg

so loaded and ready to ride trip I have 501kg to spare!

so a half ton sorry not legal..

hope this helps...

Have a safe trip!!!

Whats the G.V.W. on your one ton? Just curious..

 

[Oldtrick]

A couple have posted that a trailer is covered when it is attached to their vehicle. That is only partially correct, as Liability extends from the towing vehicle. ie; the trailer breaks loose or you back into someone with it. Your truck pays. If you carry collision on your truck, it is not going to pay for the trailer, that unit needs to carry it's own physical damage coverage.

Also, a homeowners policy will not cover a quad trailer unless there is a specific endorsement added for the trailer. In most cases, the only way to cover the trailer is by way of an auto policy. Make sure you due your due diligence before something happens.

 

[Flange99]

Whats the G.V.W. on your one ton? Just curious..

I think he is saying that this is his GVW...

"this is what the stickersaid-

front - 2722kg rear - 3175kg both - 5171kg"

Here is what I found in the BC Motor Vehicle Act on the Commercial Vehicle Safety and Enforcement website concerning lights and flags on loads.

Lamps or flags on front and rear projections
4.20 (2) A vehicle on a highway must not carry a load or have an integral part of the vehicle which projects more than 1.2 m to the rear of the load-deck or body of the vehicle unless,
(a) during the time specified in section 4.01, the extreme tip of the projection is lighted with a lamp that is capable of displaying only red light visible from a distance of 150 m to the rear of the vehicle, and
(b) at any time other than that specified in section 4.01, a red flag or cloth that complies with section 8.05 (c) of the Commercial Transport Regulations and which is visible to the driver of a vehicle to the rear is attached to the extreme tip of the projection.
[en. B.C. Reg. 476/98, s. 2.]

So how do you interpret "1.2m to the rear of the load-deck or body of the vehicle"? 1.2m beyond the sled deck?

 

[moyiesledhead]

I'd bet my paycheque it's from the vehicle and not the deck.


Edit: Just confirmed that with my son. He does commercial transport inspections as a HD mechanic in BC.

 

[DRS]

Here is what I found in the BC Motor Vehicle Act on the Commercial Vehicle Safety and Enforcement website concerning lights and flags on loads.

Lamps or flags on front and rear projections
4.20 (2) A vehicle on a highway must not carry a load or have an integral part of the vehicle which projects more than 1.2 m to the rear of the load-deck or body of the vehicle unless,
(a) during the time specified in section 4.01, the extreme tip of the projection is lighted with a lamp that is capable of displaying only red light visible from a distance of 150 m to the rear of the vehicle, and
(b) at any time other than that specified in section 4.01, a red flag or cloth that complies with section 8.05 (c) of the Commercial Transport Regulations and which is visible to the driver of a vehicle to the rear is attached to the extreme tip of the projection.
[en. B.C. Reg. 476/98, s. 2.]

So how do you interpret "1.2m to the rear of the load-deck or body of the vehicle"? 1.2m beyond the sled deck?

I have not post this, but perhaps I should fill some of you in as I was informed they are apparently going to start cracking down on this.

I was in Golden 3 weeks ago with 2 sleds on a Dodge 2500 short box (6.5 ft box). We came out of the restuarant and a couple of Highway patrol RCMP Officers were waiting outside by my truck. We walked by them and all 4 of us got into the truck. My wife was driving and was about to back up when the RCMP knocked on the window and asked who's sleds. What makes me mad is I think he waited to see who was driving as he may have thought I had a little too much pop. Why did he wait for us to get into the truck and not ask when we walked direct by them to my truck that was 10 ft away?

He (RCMP) explained to me I am over lenght. I am allowed 4 ft from the tail lights of the truck to the furtherest point on the sled and YES he was counting the snow flap. Sleds are a 153 and 162. I asked him to get his tape measure and see were I am at. He states that if he has to get his tape measure that he is also getting his ticket book. I wish I got his name as I would like to send him a Christmas present as he was a really nice guy!!! He is also likely to be reading this thread.

When I got home I measured and found the track of the 153 to be under and the 162 to be over by 3-4 inches (not counting the snow flap). Counting the snow flap I am over by at least 12 inches on the 162.

I stated I feel more comfortable hauling the sleds on a deck rather than using a trailer because of road conditions, but he did not care. We also discussed the manufactures of these decks and tourism for Golden, but he did not want to hear from me. What next???

Why don't they put a litle more effort into the thief of these machines and vehicle? I would gladly provide them with my registration and insurance to ensure the sled is not stolen. Answer: Too much work!

I may regret writing all this as he will be looking for me, but don't look to hard as I will be there this weekend.

Thanks Flange99 for your time.

 

[bigdaddy35]

Ya that commercial thing I don't get. What does it mater to them who owns what? I know a friend of mine got hassled about that until he proved that he was part owner of the company that the truck was registered to but he was pulling his trailer that was registered personally to him. Had to phone the insurance company to talk to the DOT to explain all this and that everything is uninsured, then finally let go. Must be something to do with that retarded ICBC!!

Commercial vehicles are registered as such and have gone through the weighing process to confirm such things as GVRW. Even if the commercial vehicle is being used for personal use at that time, you are required to stop at the scales, or so I was told by Jonny Law. It seems, if you don't stop at the scales and you get pulled over down the road, you are facing fines and a fun little talking to by DOT or RCMP. I got lucky and wasn't overweight.

 

[sledslut]

so basically is what everyone is saying here. Sell your 162/163/174 sleds, sell your decks, get rid of most trailers out there.. and well hey BC small towns ie. Valemount, Golden, Revy Mcbride. list goes on. will all be shut down with in 2 years because who brings i would like to guess 80% of the businesses cash flow is sledders.

and i dono. i sure as heck would love a 1ton diesel. but i dono 75000$ sure doesnt come too easily to 90% of the ppl in this world.

 

[Cyle]

so basically is what everyone is saying here. Sell your 162/163/174 sleds, sell your decks, get rid of most trailers out there.. and well hey BC small towns ie. Valemount, Golden, Revy Mcbride. list goes on. will all be shut down with in 2 years because who brings i would like to guess 80% of the businesses cash flow is sledders.

and i dono. i sure as heck would love a 1ton diesel. but i dono 75000$ sure doesnt come too easily to 90% of the ppl in this world.

MMM money for a turbo nytro, guessing fancy alum deck, no money for a proper truck to haul it? First of all, a nice new 1 ton diesel can be had for $50,000, second of all good used can be had for $20,000. Or a 1 ton gasser isn't much more then a half ton. It is NOT a money issue, it's people not paying attention or caring about being legal! Do what you want but DOT will catch you overweight one day and have a hayday. Will be a nice trip when your told nothing is moving until it's legal. You do know they can charge you for EVERY pound your overweight right? If DOT wants to write the book they could leave you with $1500 worth of tickets like NOTHING. Or if you get into an accident grossly overweight, you know you can be criminaly charged right? It is very rare, but CAN happen. Ignorance is NOT an excuse. Whenever you are hauling/towing YOU are responceable to make sure it is legal.

RCMP will be watching this year I gaurentee it, they were already doing a checkstop at renshaw this weekend, and poking around in lucille looking at things.

 

[RMK Junky]

There is no way of dancing around an issuse of being over weight. Now as far as the over length, well that's another story. If they want to regulate this under commercial carrier laws then do so. That means that you should be able to purchase a permit for over lenght according to the laws of that province

 

[Cyle]

There is no way of dancing around an issuse of being over weight. Now as far as the over length, well that's another story. If they want to regulate this under commercial carrier laws then do so. That means that you should be able to purchase a permit for over lenght according to the laws of that province

The easiest way is to buy two lights with magnets like tow trucks use and put the on the tunnel of each sled. Pretty simple.