What are you doing to make sure knothead is out

[Iron Horse Racing]

I wish I could’ve made it out to that town hall. Been crazy busy working and helping with my fiancé’s business lately. I looked into Nate Glubish and I like what I’ve seen so far. There is another UCP candidate for Sherwood park-Strathcona though however? Seems like that would pretty much be another potential split vote and handing the seat to the NDP... I got one of the NDP candidate’s flyers in my mailbox, it ended up in my trash can fairly quickly!

Not sure who else, this is what is listed currently for Sherwood Park and Sherwood Park- Strathcona....

Nate is running in

Sherwood Park- Strathcona.​

 

[Cdnfireman]

It is hard to get a govt paid employee at any level to understand that they do not add to the tax base pool of money that is required to run this socialist equality program that the NDP wants to run.
260,000 ish bleeding g the base pot.
A govt employee gets paid by taxes from non- govt employees, private sector business, royalties.
Government employees get paid from this tax pool and THEN pay taxes. They are just a recirculation of what was already there.

Some of them actually believe the government actually creates their own money....I am not kidding.
Where the entitlement of what they deserve like untouchable wages and crazy high pensions that the rest of us pay for .....I just have no idea what bounces around in some of those melons.
An outrageous amount of civil servants for a province of this size - more than any other province - gorging themselves on what is provided by others.
Yes they provide a service but so do the rest of us working slobs - privatizing of many civil divisions is desperately needed or there will be no end.
No govermeil division of anything has ever been as efficient as the private sector has been.
And they are the first to whine strike and cry about their woe is me......
They bleed the base pool they never add to the base pool by where their pay cheque comes from......just recirculators.

Most of their heads will explode before they agree and vote for some one who will make this province accountable for its debt and not continue to sink the ship and not take part in what is required.
Just really f'd up world of entitlement.

I agree with most of what you said as lots of government workers can’t relate to business outside of government. What I disagree with is the “untouchable wages and crazy high pensions “. Most working class government employees don’t make big money or have huge pensions. (I can’t speak for the higher-ups like deputy ministers etc). For example us emergency service workers make comparable wages to a journeyman tradesman, and our pensions and benefits are cost split with the government, similar to private benefits, pensions and RRSP contribution plans in the private sector. We don’t get a savings plan, stock purchase plans, performance bonuses etc. What we do get is job security and steady wages that on average, are less than what comparably qualified private sector people get. For example, I take home less than a driller makes on a rig, and I didn’t get the $30k bonus that my friend in the pipeline industry got in 2018.

 

[chickenman]

Yup. That’s what happens when the fire chief and union boss get too cozy.

nothing to do with it

 

[Cdnfireman]

nothing to do with it

Dont be so sure. Pretty obvious to the rest of the province that Hub does what he’s told to do by the chief and council.

 

[chickenman]

Keep drinking the AFFA Koolaid... jk

 

[Caper11]

I agree with most of what you said as lots of government workers can’t relate to business outside of government. What I disagree with is the “untouchable wages and crazy high pensions “. Most working class government employees don’t make big money or have huge pensions. (I can’t speak for the higher-ups like deputy ministers etc). For example us emergency service workers make comparable wages to a journeyman tradesman, and our pensions and benefits are cost split with the government, similar to private benefits, pensions and RRSP contribution plans in the private sector. We don’t get a savings plan, stock purchase plans, performance bonuses etc. What we do get is job security and steady wages that on average, are less than what comparably qualified private sector people get. For example, I take home less than a driller makes on a rig, and I didn’t get the $30k bonus that my friend in the pipeline industry got in 2018.

Because that 30k bonus was more than likely performance based. Union environment, everyone get the same cause the extra mile is frowned upon.

 

[snochuk]

Because that 30k bonus was more than likely performance based. Union environment, everyone get the same cause the extra mile is frowned upon.

Very very very very few get a performance bonus never mind 30 k!
The vast majority of people in Alberta get what they saved with no affiliated pension. This applies to a lot of the craft.
Not that many in unions or CLAC.
How many tens of thousands worked shift for 10-20 years away from their families (I did 22 years away from home on shifts) just to get by.
Oil and gas lives are there for every whiner that thinks it's sunshine and lollie pops.
Teachers, health care, firemen, postal, almost any AUPE member.....there are a lot of peps that would like a employer split pension or even any kind of pension.
Govt jobs provide so much more than most will ever see.
Entitlement at its highest.
Nothing pesonnel to most people - just such a flawed system that needs fixing badly.

 

[hdkawi]

im trying my best

 

[Summitric]

im trying my best

"Loser" ........... hehehehe

 

[hdkawi]

ya I know I'm blaming my phone he got my point

 

[Caper11]

 

[Cyle]

I agree with most of what you said as lots of government workers can’t relate to business outside of government. What I disagree with is the “untouchable wages and crazy high pensions “. Most working class government employees don’t make big money or have huge pensions. (I can’t speak for the higher-ups like deputy ministers etc). For example us emergency service workers make comparable wages to a journeyman tradesman, and our pensions and benefits are cost split with the government, similar to private benefits, pensions and RRSP contribution plans in the private sector. We don’t get a savings plan, stock purchase plans, performance bonuses etc. What we do get is job security and steady wages that on average, are less than what comparably qualified private sector people get. For example, I take home less than a driller makes on a rig, and I didn’t get the $30k bonus that my friend in the pipeline industry got in 2018.

You don't think emergency service workers get paid a fortune? While there is the whole danger point, aside from that the pay is insane. My brother was with the fire dept in edmonton, it's not that many years in to be making $100k maybe 4? How many new journeymen are making $100k in the city for 40 hours a week? None. Another friend has been a journeyman for about 10 years now and is the foreman at a dealership and is just making that same money for the last 2 or so years. And the wage continue to increase to even more insane as the years go on. Don't forget to add in the perks of the clothing, boot allowance, pension, vacation time, etc. Yes they pay a lot for their own pension but the government kicks in a lot. Not to mention the bulk of them would never hack it in a real job and think they have it so bad.

 

[rmk600700]

You don't think emergency service workers get paid a fortune? While there is the whole danger point, aside from that the pay is insane. My brother was with the fire dept in edmonton, it's not that many years in to be making $100k maybe 4? How many new journeymen are making $100k in the city for 40 hours a week? None. Another friend has been a journeyman for about 10 years now and is the foreman at a dealership and is just making that same money for the last 2 or so years. And the wage continue to increase to even more insane as the years go on. Don't forget to add in the perks of the clothing, boot allowance, pension, vacation time, etc. Yes they pay a lot for their own pension but the government kicks in a lot. Not to mention the bulk of them would never hack it in a real job and think they have it so bad.

i laugh when hear people who think the public service sector has it easy, then go get a government job! I worked for the government worst pay most over scheduled job of my career. In my experience I have been paid paid far better working for major oil companies and have better pension and savings plan. There will always be cases either way however equal positions with large companies the public sector always pays better from what I have seen! Oh yah and any decent company will pay clothing and boots and usually get a better allowance from the private guys! Won’t find this guy going to work for the government anytime soon.

dont think I will find any power engineers working a gov job making 200k but there is a shat ton working for oil companies making well over that!

 

[Tchetek]

i laugh when hear people who think the public service sector has it easy, then go get a government job! I worked for the government worst pay most over scheduled job of my career. In my experience I have been paid paid far better working for major oil companies and have better pension and savings plan. There will always be cases either way however equal positions with large companies the public sector always pays better from what I have seen! Oh yah and any decent company will pay clothing and boots and usually get a better allowance from the private guys! Won’t find this guy going to work for the government anytime soon.

dont think I will find any power engineers working a gov job making 200k but there is a shat ton working for oil companies making well over that!

200 g In town 40 hours per week?

 

[lilduke]

200 g In town 40 hours per week?

And 40% of that goes to the government to pay their ****ing wages

 

[Cdnfireman]

You don't think emergency service workers get paid a fortune? While there is the whole danger point, aside from that the pay is insane. My brother was with the fire dept in edmonton, it's not that many years in to be making $100k maybe 4? How many new journeymen are making $100k in the city for 40 hours a week? None. Another friend has been a journeyman for about 10 years now and is the foreman at a dealership and is just making that same money for the last 2 or so years. And the wage continue to increase to even more insane as the years go on. Don't forget to add in the perks of the clothing, boot allowance, pension, vacation time, etc. Yes they pay a lot for their own pension but the government kicks in a lot. Not to mention the bulk of them would never hack it in a real job and think they have it so bad.

“Aside from the danger point”.....pretty easy to brush that off when you’re not the guy doing it. And no, $100k isn’t a fortune to anyone with any skills or training. If you decide to take a mediocre job in the city requiring minimal skills and training don’t expect to be at the top of the pay scale. That’s why a mechanic in the field overhauling the finals on a dozer gets paid way more than the guy at the dealership doing brake jobs on a Honda Civic.
And our job has lots of downsides too. IDLH/Toxin/chemical/heat and noise exposure just to name a few.
Not only did most of us hack a real job, we hacked a selection process that eliminates 80% of the people that apply.
We have a saying.... “ don’t cry, apply”. You should throw in your resume and give it a whirl. Should be a breeze for a guy like you.

 

[Cdnfireman]

Very very very very few get a performance bonus never mind 30 k!
The vast majority of people in Alberta get what they saved with no affiliated pension. This applies to a lot of the craft.
Not that many in unions or CLAC.
How many tens of thousands worked shift for 10-20 years away from their families (I did 22 years away from home on shifts) just to get by.
Oil and gas lives are there for every whiner that thinks it's sunshine and lollie pops.
Teachers, health care, firemen, postal, almost any AUPE member.....there are a lot of peps that would like a employer split pension or even any kind of pension.
Govt jobs provide so much more than most will ever see.
Entitlement at its highest.
Nothing pesonnel to most people - just such a flawed system that needs fixing badly.

I worked in the patch for 15 years before I joined the fire department. I had no desire to be a $hit shoveler or be in some other menial job, so I got a ticket then worked my way into a second trade certificate. Having an education allowed me to turn down the crappy jobs with no pension or benefits. It’s up to you what kind of job you take, and it’s nobody’s fault but your own if you’re in a dead end job with lousy pay and benefits.
I had starting level low paying jobs as an apprentice, but I stuck it out, paid my dues and got the training and experience to advance into better and better jobs.
I don’t know what’s worse.... the young, entitled youngsters that expect to automatically be the Boss, or the older unmotivated guys that bitch because they can’t get ahead. You reap what you sow.

 

[Luke The Drifter]

Not sure who else, this is what is listed currently for Sherwood Park and Sherwood Park- Strathcona....

Nate is running in

Sherwood Park- Strathcona.​

My bad. I didn’t realize Sherwood park is divided into two ridings (cloverbar road seems to be the border). This will be my first election living in the area. I was in St. Albert for the last election.

 

[rmk600700]

200 g In town 40 hours per week?

Depends on their job, most likely need to leave to the city to make the cash, can either have the have the amenities or the pay check.....everyone needs to do what works for them. That’s the great thing about this country the opportunities are there and we have the freedom to choose our own destiny. Either way oil pays more then gov for the same job. I’ll let the forum get back on track with what people are doing to get Notley out......vote it’s everyone’s choice!

 

[Pistonbroke]