To all the broke d*cks who can't afford a diesel one ton

[Chronic Cat]

Re: To all the broke d*cks who can't afford a diesel one tone.

Sh!t that looks like a Chevy truck engine

Ford finally cought on

Are you referring to the LS series of pushrod engines?

Funny you say that Tex, because Ford has been the automotive group that has pioneered a bunch of the chit Chevy has copied lmao. Ford just went back to their roots with this pushrod design.

Did you know that some LS heads will easily swap over bolt on to old pushrod 351's that have been around since the 60's, 70's, 80's? Which components of what I just mentioned were around first? There is guys running old Ford shortblocks with newer Chevy LS heads with custom cams to fix the firing order.

 

[lilduke]

Re: To all the broke d*cks who can't afford a diesel one tone.

Buick started using the pushrod design in 1904....

 

[Stg2Suby]

Re: To all the broke d*cks who can't afford a diesel one tone.

Pushrod V motors are old tech but sure a lot simpler and efficient layout than overhead cams on a V. Curious to see how it works out.

 

[Chronic Cat]

Re: To all the broke d*cks who can't afford a diesel one tone.

Buick started using the pushrod design in 1904....

My bad, I shouldn't have chose the word "pioneered" as it implies the first to use or develop. What I was implying or stating is the fact that Chevrolet has been copying Ford with their older proven technologies and designs by revamping the slightest little bit and calling it their own.

 

[teeroy]

Re: To all the broke d*cks who can't afford a diesel one tone.

well, if GM copied Ford I hope they do it again and bring back a stump pulling big block gasser. was a shame they dumped the 8.1

 

[lilduke]

Re: To all the broke d*cks who can't afford a diesel one tone.

My bad, I shouldn't have chose the word "pioneered" as it implies the first to use or develop. What I was implying or stating is the fact that Chevrolet has been copying Ford with their older proven technologies and designs by revamping the slightest little bit and calling it their own.

they copied it too though.

 

[Stg2Suby]

Re: To all the broke d*cks who can't afford a diesel one tone.

Vortec 8.1 sure had a nice flat torque curve

 

[Chronic Cat]

Re: To all the broke d*cks who can't afford a diesel one tone.

they copied it too though.

Do you actually understand what I'm even saying here Dan? Or are you just stirring the old pot?

I'm not here to argue, just stating facts. Creating competition by building something of your own that is similar is one thing, straight up copying is another.

 

[Cyle]

Re: To all the broke d*cks who can't afford a diesel one tone.

I really don't get the appeal of the big gasser. If the smaller V8 won't handle it just get a diesel. A gasser will never tow as well and will burn so much fuel trying. May make sense for the person who tows 1% of the time and it's heavy.

 

[lilduke]

Re: To all the broke d*cks who can't afford a diesel one tone.

Do you actually understand what I'm even saying here Dan? Or are you just stirring the old pot?

I'm not here to argue, just stating facts. Creating competition by building something of your own that is similar is one thing, straight up copying is another.

Little of both. (im not a ford guy) Haha

I dont understand what you are trying to say I guess though.

What did GM copy from ford specifically? Neither invented the push rod design, or the v8 design.

They both are improving upon very old designs, that is my point.

 

[tmo1620]

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Ya exactly my thoughts, when I decided to go from a halfer to an HD I gave the 6.4 hemi a thought.... but just a quick thought. The price difference wasnt really that much and the capability more than made up for the difference and then some. Plus getting 11L/100km empty in the diesel vs 16L/100km in the gasser is nice and getting 18L/100km towing my enclosed vs probably 24L/100km ish is real nice

I really don't get the appeal of the big gasser. If the smaller V8 won't handle it just get a diesel. A gasser will never tow as well and will burn so much fuel trying. May make sense for the person who tows 1% of the time and it's heavy.

 

[tmo1620]

Re: To all the broke d*cks who can't afford a diesel one tone.

And a cave man invented the wheel which was copied a billion times over........ all vehicle engine designs are copies of others just how it is once patents expire

Do you actually understand what I'm even saying here Dan? Or are you just stirring the old pot?

I'm not here to argue, just stating facts. Creating competition by building something of your own that is similar is one thing, straight up copying is another.

 

[sirkdev]

Re: To all the broke d*cks who can't afford a diesel one tone.

I really don't get the appeal of the big gasser. If the smaller V8 won't handle it just get a diesel. A gasser will never tow as well and will burn so much fuel trying. May make sense for the person who tows 1% of the time and it's heavy.

i think it makes sense for fleets and lower usage heavy duty vehicles. Doesn’t make sense to me but lots of fleet managers won’t even look at a diesel. Also probably lowers the price point by 10k vs diesel.

 

[Cyle]

Re: To all the broke d*cks who can't afford a diesel one tone.

i think it makes sense for fleets and lower usage heavy duty vehicles. Doesn’t make sense to me but lots of fleet managers won’t even look at a diesel. Also probably lowers the price point by 10k vs diesel.

The idiot factor is huge for companies purchasing. Not properly looking after a diesel has more expensive consequences. Take the purchase, ownership, and re-sale costs of any 2500/3500 gas and diesel towing/hauling or not and the diesel will be the cheapest, long as it's looked after. Keep the trucks like 5 years with 200km on them and you will pretty much recoup the extra purchase costs on resale. Used gas 2500/3500 you can't give them away.

 

[sirkdev]

Re: To all the broke d*cks who can't afford a diesel one tone.

The idiot factor is huge for companies purchasing. Not properly looking after a diesel has more expensive consequences. Take the purchase, ownership, and re-sale costs of any 2500/3500 gas and diesel towing/hauling or not and the diesel will be the cheapest, long as it's looked after. Keep the trucks like 5 years with 200km on them and you will pretty much recoup the extra purchase costs on resale. Used gas 2500/3500 you can't give them away.

I agree with you. Fleets want dead reliable and low initial cost.

 

[LBZ]

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I agree with you. Fleets want dead reliable and low initial cost.

Usually yes.

The fleet trucks we buy for the mine I bet cost more than if they just went to the lot and bought a base F-350 XL 1 ton. The ones we get have just am/fm radio, manual crank windows, manual door locks, manual vinyl/pleather seats, rubber floor. All special order.

 

[Ronaha]

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I bought one of those old mine trucks with the 8.1 it was the best thing I ever did.i just use it for pulling and use a small car to get to work, good to hear of another big block coming back hopefully they deal up with a Allison transmission, wife has a 6.0 gasser and I'd never pull a big load with that thing.

 

[zal]

Re: To all the broke d*cks who can't afford a diesel one tone.

Big gassers are great for when you need a big motor for short distances. For example, putting on 70,000 km in 15+ years. Don’t need a diesel for that. Fords 460/7.5 and Chevy 454 or their 8.1 are a great motor for those circumstances.
Sometimes fleets need to keep their motors “simple”. A lot of people don’t understand diesels or how to drive them. Common sense does not prevail in this category. Remember, they are replacing 18spds for autos because of that. A big gasser does have its place. Just because it doesn’t fit in your world, doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

 

[tmo1620]

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i think it makes sense for fleets and lower usage heavy duty vehicles. Doesn’t make sense to me but lots of fleet managers won’t even look at a diesel. Also probably lowers the price point by 10k vs diesel.

Was $7000 cheaper for the same truck as mine with a 6.4 hemi , for personal use was more than worth the difference to go diesel but ya as a fleet, if you have 5,6 etc in the fleet that could start to add up quick to some good savings, but 7 get one free lol

 

[X-it]

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